Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

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Really wouldn't be surprised if Big Al resigned with the Celtics on a 2-3 year deal. Something like 3 years and $18 million. Finishes his career with the Celtics. I think it's probably 50/50 and the longer it takes favors the Celtics in my opinion. Celtics love Big Al.

Agree but why would they fill all 15 roster spots already without him? Obviously they are going to make more trades but they chose Minot over Al Horford when those deals aren't finalized.

Hope you are right but it feels like Al is headed elsewhere and they aren't even getting extra seconds in a sign and trade at this point.

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Really wouldn't be surprised if Big Al resigned with the Celtics on a 2-3 year deal. Something like 3 years and $18 million. Finishes his career with the Celtics. I think it's probably 50/50 and the longer it takes favors the Celtics in my opinion. Celtics love Big Al.

It would also help the development of our other bigs like Amari, Garza and Queta by having Al around.

It'd be a ton of load managing for him this season if we bring him back..as well as some load managing for JB and White.

But eyes on the prize, it's all about putting ourselves in position to compete for a title in 2027..

[Celtics_Champs]

I’ll be wrong, Shams will post the tweet as soon as I put this, but if I’m Dame I don’t sign until February. I rehab on my own and pick who has the best shot at a title.

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Really wouldn't be surprised if Big Al resigned with the Celtics on a 2-3 year deal. Something like 3 years and $18 million. Finishes his career with the Celtics. I think it's probably 50/50 and the longer it takes favors the Celtics in my opinion. Celtics love Big Al.

Agree but why would they fill all 15 roster spots already without him? Obviously they are going to make more trades but they chose Minot over Al Horford when those deals aren't finalized.

Hope you are right but it feels like Al is headed elsewhere and they aren't even getting extra seconds in a sign and trade at this point.

They didn't necessarily choose Minott over Al.

Al is moving slowly to make a decision here and sign with somebody. Brad can't afford to just sit around and wait for Al to make a decision on whether he's resigning with us or not. If he waits around and then Al signs elsewhere, well by that time Minott and Garza have probably signed elsewhere as well and then we've got nothing.

We can always make a trade later on to dump a guy or 2 if need be..there's still like 2 more months left in the offseason. The free agents were getting scooped up fast and furiously so Brad had to do something..

[Celts17Pride]

Really wouldn't be surprised if Big Al resigned with the Celtics on a 2-3 year deal. Something like 3 years and $18 million. Finishes his career with the Celtics. I think it's probably 50/50 and the longer it takes favors the Celtics in my opinion. Celtics love Big Al.

Agree but why would they fill all 15 roster spots already without him? Obviously they are going to make more trades but they chose Minot over Al Horford when those deals aren't finalized.

Hope you are right but it feels like Al is headed elsewhere and they aren't even getting extra seconds in a sign and trade at this point.

Roster spots don't matter right now. Celtics can always cut Davison and Walsh if they had to before the season. More moves are coming.

[ddb]

The longer this Horford stuff drags out the better it is for us. Could mean a few things. First, he may still be interested in returning to Boston. For that to happen, Brad needs to make other moves to free up the space. Takes time. Another possibility is that Al has decided to move on but wants to help the Cs on the way out. Perhaps a S&T type transaction. Again, in order for that to happen Brad needs to make other moves first.

And then there's a little Dame smoke. Personally, I don't think Boston would be on Dame's list of preferred destinations. But I guess you never know. If Boston is interested in bringing in Dame to rehab with Tatum and then ultimately get both of those guys back late in the season, that may have some appeal to Al.

[hugepatsfan]

I’ll be wrong, Shams will post the tweet as soon as I put this, but if I’m Dame I don’t sign until February. I rehab on my own and pick who has the best shot at a title.

Does that mean he has to pay doctors on his own dime? I'm not sure how it works, but I imagine there's some benefit to rehabbing on a team vs. on your own. Use of their facilities, equipment, team doctors, etc.

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[chrisab123]

I generally can't stand Washburn lol, but I kind of agree with him on this:

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Dame really picking Boston over Miami and Lakers?

I don't buy it.

There is no chance. None.

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Really wouldn't be surprised if Big Al resigned with the Celtics on a 2-3 year deal. Something like 3 years and $18 million. Finishes his career with the Celtics. I think it's probably 50/50 and the longer it takes favors the Celtics in my opinion. Celtics love Big Al.

Agree but why would they fill all 15 roster spots already without him? Obviously they are going to make more trades but they chose Minot over Al Horford when those deals aren't finalized.

Hope you are right but it feels like Al is headed elsewhere and they aren't even getting extra seconds in a sign and trade at this point.

Roster spots don't matter right now. Celtics can always cut Davison and Walsh if they had to before the season. More moves are coming.

Obviously but wasn't the whole point of dumping guys at the garage sale was to have flexibility to make them on your own terms? Signing an ultimate project guy that takes them back into the 2nd apron doesn't augur the return of Al Horford.

They were going to be lucky to not have to pay to dump 1-2 guys already they didn't need to add on to that list.

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Hypothetically could trade Simons for Hield/Moody. I could see a world where GS wanted that for increased scoring and shooting but the not sure they need to get smaller.

[hugepatsfan]

Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Replying to myself, but thinking about this further...

We'd be $11,510,484 over the tax line with 18 players under contract after this deal.

Pay 2nds to dump 5 guys - Martin/Svi/Springer/Tillman/Walsh - and you go to $7,306,936 under the tax with 13 players. Would Horford come back for $7M into that open 14th spot?

Pritchard
White / Scheirman / Gonzalez
Brown / Hauser
Horford / Niang
Kessler / Queta

I think that's still a play in team in the East. They can extend Kessler under the tax long term. Next year Tatum is back.

My guess for the "picks" for Kessler would be our 2026 pick top 4 protected and then unprotected in 2027 if it doesn't convey. Plus a 2030 pick swap. That's my projected offer.

[Celtics_Champs]

I’ll be wrong, Shams will post the tweet as soon as I put this, but if I’m Dame I don’t sign until February. I rehab on my own and pick who has the best shot at a title.

Does that mean he has to pay doctors on his own dime? I'm not sure how it works, but I imagine there's some benefit to rehabbing on a team vs. on your own. Use of their facilities, equipment, team doctors, etc.

Yup I imagine he has to foot the bill for every thing. That’s mainly treatments and medical stuff though. I’m sure he could probably find any gym to work out though for free. Go back to his Alma matter.

[chrisab123]

seriously????


Cavs are better
Orlando is better
Knicks are better
Hawks are better
Raptors are better

Pistons are maybe better with their continued growth depending on how they deal with the beasley situation
Philly if Embiid is healthy is better

Philly is awful. PG is cooked. Embiid is close to it. But the Raptors? Seriously?

People said the same thing last season when I said Orlando and Indiana were going to be damn good teams this past season.

Indiana literally got to the ECF the year before. Doesn’t take a genius to call that. Orlando had a lot of helium, so again most people called that. You stating the two obvious teams who most experts picked to improve isn’t exactly helping your argument. The Raptors are not good. They have such a good future, that they just fired their GM.

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Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Replying to myself, but thinking about this further...

We'd be $11,510,484 over the tax line with 18 players under contract after this deal.

Pay 2nds to dump 5 guys - Martin/Svi/Springer/Tillman/Walsh - and you go to $7,306,936 under the tax with 13 players. Would Horford come back for $7M into that open 14th spot?

Pritchard
White / Scheirman / Gonzalez
Brown / Hauser
Horford / Niang
Kessler / Queta

I think that's still a play in team in the East. They can extend Kessler under the tax long term. Next year Tatum is back.

My guess for the "picks" for Kessler would be our 2026 pick top 4 protected and then unprotected in 2027 if it doesn't convey. Plus a 2030 pick swap. That's my projected offer.

I would be ecstatic if this came to pass.

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Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Replying to myself, but thinking about this further...

We'd be $11,510,484 over the tax line with 18 players under contract after this deal.

Pay 2nds to dump 5 guys - Martin/Svi/Springer/Tillman/Walsh - and you go to $7,306,936 under the tax with 13 players. Would Horford come back for $7M into that open 14th spot?

Pritchard
White / Scheirman / Gonzalez
Brown / Hauser
Horford / Niang
Kessler / Queta

I think that's still a play in team in the East. They can extend Kessler under the tax long term. Next year Tatum is back.

My guess for the "picks" for Kessler would be our 2026 pick top 4 protected and then unprotected in 2027 if it doesn't convey. Plus a 2030 pick swap. That's my projected offer.

Hield/Moody for Simons/Walsh/whatever.

If Al is leaving he can sign there.

I think that's the best value out there to get out of the tax with moving one of Niang/Hield or both.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Very plausible deal given Utah's recent moves and Boston's desire to pay less luxury tax. Are Martin and Svi still non-guaranteed for 2025-2026?

[hugepatsfan]

Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Very plausible deal given Utah's recent moves and Boston's desire to pay less luxury tax. Are Martin and Svi still non-guaranteed for 2025-2026?

I think they became guaranteed. Either way, for the trade to work matching wise they have to be guaranteed. You can't do the old loophole of using non guaranteed salary to match and then waiving.

Issue is that apparently Sexton/Nurkic deal already happened so can't be folded into this. Simons for Kessler/Martin/Svi/Springer doesn't work for Utah salary matching. Needs one more player but they don't have any guys under contract that aren't recent 1sts that they'd place value on. So deal kind of falls apart as a Simons for Kessler idea.

[hugepatsfan]

Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Replying to myself, but thinking about this further...

We'd be $11,510,484 over the tax line with 18 players under contract after this deal.

Pay 2nds to dump 5 guys - Martin/Svi/Springer/Tillman/Walsh - and you go to $7,306,936 under the tax with 13 players. Would Horford come back for $7M into that open 14th spot?

Pritchard
White / Scheirman / Gonzalez
Brown / Hauser
Horford / Niang
Kessler / Queta

I think that's still a play in team in the East. They can extend Kessler under the tax long term. Next year Tatum is back.

My guess for the "picks" for Kessler would be our 2026 pick top 4 protected and then unprotected in 2027 if it doesn't convey. Plus a 2030 pick swap. That's my projected offer.

Hield/Moody for Simons/Walsh/whatever.

If Al is leaving he can sign there.

I think that's the best value out there to get out of the tax with moving one of Niang/Hield or both.

Hield/Moody for SImons hard caps GSW at 1st apron. They're currently like $25M below that, but Kuminga's cap hold is $22.9M. Your deal takes on enough salary that they'd have to waive Kuminga's cap hold to stay under their hard cap.

Not exactly sure what's happening with him, but at least right now it seems like they won't do that. They'd have to figure something out with him first of a S&T that returns back less enough salary.

I also don't think they'd wan tto be hard capped at that apron in season anyway.

[djFan71]

Sexton and a 2nd for Nurkic swap part of this has already been agreed too, but jumping in as 3rd team since it's needed for salary matching...

BOS gives: Simons, pick(s)
BOS gets: Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer

UTA gives: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler, KJ Martin, Svi Mykhailuk, Jaden Springer, 2nd rounder
UTA gets: Simons, Nurkic, BOS pick(s)

CHA gives: Nurkic
CHA gets: Sexton, UTA 2nd rounder

We get a C of the future with a low salary for this year that we can afford to extend next year while still remaining below the tax. We save $8.7M in salary this year on the deal, but really more because of the roster spots. We'd be up to 18 NBA contract players and we only need 14. Pay 2nd rounders to dump KJ Martin, Tillman, Svi and we'd be real close to ducking the tax and able to get there with midyear moves.

Replying to myself, but thinking about this further...

We'd be $11,510,484 over the tax line with 18 players under contract after this deal.

Pay 2nds to dump 5 guys - Martin/Svi/Springer/Tillman/Walsh - and you go to $7,306,936 under the tax with 13 players. Would Horford come back for $7M into that open 14th spot?

Pritchard
White / Scheirman / Gonzalez
Brown / Hauser
Horford / Niang
Kessler / Queta

I think that's still a play in team in the East. They can extend Kessler under the tax long term. Next year Tatum is back.

My guess for the "picks" for Kessler would be our 2026 pick top 4 protected and then unprotected in 2027 if it doesn't convey. Plus a 2030 pick swap. That's my projected offer.

I might be lower on Kessler than others, but I'm not including that level of picks for him. I know it's him, ducking the tax and Al out of it. And you protected the pick once, but that's just too high of an upside pick, imo. If we are play-in, don't make it, don't jump and end up at 10-14 range, that would hurt. That pick and TPE should bring back a better player than Kessler.