Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[RichCollab]

Moe probably sees us as a loyal partner. We could've traded him after his injury to a team who wanted an expiring.

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Dead silence from Moe’s agent seems like they have something with Orlando but Orlando needs time to make a trade or stretch Jett.

His agent should be broadcasting he is available if Magic isn’t locked up. Money is drying up.

[VFX]

It will be interesting to see how they shed salary and who is on the chopping block.

Goga to me has more value than Isaac. Is that how the league sees it?

How far along do they believe Tristan da Silva or even Noah Penda are in relation to moving him is a serious question.

Is there even a healthy market for Isaac at his rate? No idea. What kind of return are we even talking about while dumping the money?

Jett Howard is a forgone conclusion but he’s a throw in if we aren’t adding picks, which is sad.

Moe is more important than any of those guys unfortunately based on the bench rotation. I would rather keep Goga, but I think he has more suitors than Isaac.

[eyriq]

I ran Moritz's podcast "what's next" through Gemini

* Primary Focus: His main concern at the moment is his contract situation [01:15:02].
* Communication Restrictions: There are limitations on communication between teams, particularly as the video was recorded on draft day [01:17:36]. He is, however, permitted to speak with the Orlando team [01:17:54].
* Value of Orlando: The opportunity to play with his brother, Franz, in Orlando is of such immense value to him that financial considerations have become secondary [01:18:09].
* Financial Flexibility: He recognizes the fortunate position he is in, where he does not feel pressured to maximize his earnings at the expense of his preferred situation [01:18:25].
* Desire to Stay in Orlando: He expresses a strong desire to continue with the Orlando team if possible [01:18:43].
* Financial Prudence: He also acknowledges that there is a limit to his financial flexibility and that turning down a significantly more lucrative offer from another team would be irresponsible [01:18:50].
* Appreciation for Current Situation: He publicly expresses his gratitude for his current situation, viewing it as a privilege to be able to decline other offers [01:19:18].
* Uncertain Future: Despite his preferences, the outcome of his free agency remains uncertain [01:19:49].

[Orlando Dawg]

The Magic could also stretch provision Jett Howard's contract.

Spread his cap hit out from $5.5M in 25-26 to $1.8M over the next three years.

Would create $3.7M in cap space immediately.

7.5 m + 3.7 m =11.2 m

That sounds like what’s going to happen if they can’t clear more cap space
11.2 mil multi-year deal, no trade clause, with player option next year

That way MoW doesn’t get paid less next year than if the Magic didn’t decline 2025-2026
And he can get a fat contract next summer

[thelead]

It will be interesting to see how they shed salary and who is on the chopping block.

Goga to me has more value than Isaac. Is that how the league sees it?

How far along do they believe Tristan da Silva or even Noah Penda are in relation to moving him is a serious question.

Is there even a healthy market for Isaac at his rate? No idea. What kind of return are we even talking about while dumping the money?

Jett Howard is a forgone conclusion but he’s a throw in if we aren’t adding picks, which is sad.

Moe is more important than any of those guys unfortunately based on the bench rotation. I would rather keep Goga, but I think he has more suitors than Isaac.

Jett is the one that has to go unfortunately… that said, I’d prefer we keep everyone and promise Mo a bigger deal next summer once we get clarity of how everyone plays with a roster that makes sense. Not sure Mo would be open to that though.

[RichCollab]

It will be interesting to see how they shed salary and who is on the chopping block.

Goga to me has more value than Isaac. Is that how the league sees it?

How far along do they believe Tristan da Silva or even Noah Penda are in relation to moving him is a serious question.

Is there even a healthy market for Isaac at his rate? No idea. What kind of return are we even talking about while dumping the money?

Jett Howard is a forgone conclusion but he’s a throw in if we aren’t adding picks, which is sad.

Moe is more important than any of those guys unfortunately based on the bench rotation. I would rather keep Goga, but I think he has more suitors than Isaac.

Jett is the one that has to go unfortunately… that said, I’d prefer we keep everyone and promise Mo a bigger deal next summer once we get clarity of how everyone plays with a roster that makes sense. Not sure Mo would be open to that though.

Salary Cap next year is even tighter. The increase that was anticipated is less than expected.

I’m pretty sure mid-season or next offseason one of Goga or JI is gone.

[Knightro]

I'm not sure Jett outgoing alone is going to be enough unless we think Moe is willing to sign for $5.5M in year 1.

It could be that Jett has to go for basically nothing *and* one of Goga or Isaac has to go for a cheaper alternative too.

[thelead]

It will be interesting to see how they shed salary and who is on the chopping block.

Goga to me has more value than Isaac. Is that how the league sees it?

How far along do they believe Tristan da Silva or even Noah Penda are in relation to moving him is a serious question.

Is there even a healthy market for Isaac at his rate? No idea. What kind of return are we even talking about while dumping the money?

Jett Howard is a forgone conclusion but he’s a throw in if we aren’t adding picks, which is sad.

Moe is more important than any of those guys unfortunately based on the bench rotation. I would rather keep Goga, but I think he has more suitors than Isaac.

Jett is the one that has to go unfortunately… that said, I’d prefer we keep everyone and promise Mo a bigger deal next summer once we get clarity of how everyone plays with a roster that makes sense. Not sure Mo would be open to that though.

Salary Cap next year is even tighter. The increase that was anticipated is less than expected.

I’m pretty sure mid-season or next offseason one of Goga or JI is gone.

I don’t doubt that scenario but at least we should have some clarity on how the roster works with real shooters and a pg to make a decision on who we can move on without.

[djguevara114]

The Magic may want to shed salary, but don’t need to to resign Mo… The Magic own both Mo and Caleb’s Bird Rights which means there is no such thing as a hard cap… You can sign Bird Rights players into and above the first apron level…

[thelead]

I'm not sure Jett outgoing alone is going to be enough unless we think Moe is willing to sign for $5.5M in year 1.

It could be that Jett has to go for basically nothing *and* one of Goga or Isaac has to go for a cheaper alternative too.

Yabusele would be a downgrade but he’s not injured and just signed for 6 per. The market is tough for bench players. This CBA is crushing the middle class.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

[TyMagic23]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

This is exactly what I think the Magic FO is thinking and why Goga is likely to go before JI. If they move Goga this offseason, its reasonable to assume that MoW is ready by beginning of season. If not, there are bigs that you can get on minimum contract (Thomas Bryant for example). But I think JI losing the weight and actually having a point guard with 2nd unit and Bane out there sometime is really going to help everyone get better shots in rhythm.

[Cammo101]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

This is pretty much exactly where I'm at with JI.

[Knightro]

The Magic may want to shed salary, but don’t need to to resign Mo… The Magic own both Mo and Caleb’s Bird Rights which means there is no such thing as a hard cap… You can sign Bird Rights players into and above the first apron level…

Not when you’re hard capped at the first apron, which the Magic are after using a large enough portion of the MLE.

[djguevara114]

Not accurate.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

Yup. If Isaac can regain his form, he can be a major impact. Im not trading him!

[OrlandoDream]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

[Knightro]

I'm not sure Jett outgoing alone is going to be enough unless we think Moe is willing to sign for $5.5M in year 1.

It could be that Jett has to go for basically nothing *and* one of Goga or Isaac has to go for a cheaper alternative too.

Yabusele would be a downgrade but he’s not injured and just signed for 6 per. The market is tough for bench players. This CBA is crushing the middle class.

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying in the respect that if the Magic were to tell Moe to go find a better offer he probably wouldn’t be able to find it, but I don’t think that’s how they intend to operate in this situation either.

I think they mostly want to do right by Moe.

[Knightro]

Not accurate.

Yes it is.

The Magic are currently hard capped at the first apron.

They cannot use bird rights on Moe or Caleb to exceed that hard cap. I assure you that is the case.

The only scenario where they can exceed the hard cap would be to get roster compliant at 14 players using a veteran minimum.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

We don’t need Isaac to play starter minutes to justify his impact or role on this team imo.

It’s not a coincidence he played his most minutes/games last year. This is a good sign, it means hes getting healthier, he’s trusting his body more and the plan is working. I fully expect a small uptick in minutes this season, but again I don’t think we need or want him playing starter minutes.

It’s annoying and completely get the frustration, but we’re as an organization fully invested so for better or worse we will see it all the way through and I personally think it’s a worthwhile bet/investment.