Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[Frank Nova]

Grimes, too.

Grimes is a restricted FA and wants 25 million a year.

S&T Grimes for Kuzma. 4/80?

[soxperry]

The Pat deal was horrendous. Horst can really sweet talk players and agents. When it comes to other GM's, he gets bent over a barrel. He's terrible at buy-low/sell-high principles and not getting leveraged. So almost all our pick capital's out the window now.

And I'd really like to have that Pat contract on the books right now. It wasn't an inherent negative as an expiring and mid salary slot. But it was treated like a hot potato.

What?

We cleared basically 8m in cap space for two 2nds. At least that was what was last written, that we couldnt afford to pay Micic much at all in the buyout and he was cool with it.

[emunney]

Going to do some arithmetic here so bear with me. Assuming Bobby's contract is at his PO level, before we sign anybody, we have 107,392,277 committed to 8 players: Giannis, Kuzma, Bobby, Micic, Green, Dre, Livingston, Smith.

We then have cap holds totaling 7,850,370 on the 3 non-bird FAs we will re-sign.

Then we've got Dame's stretch salary at 22,516,603.

Then, because we are only accounting for 11 guys, we have an incomplete roster charge of 1,272,870.

Totaled, this comes out to 139,032,120.

The cap is 154,647,000.

If you assume Turner's 107m includes 5% annual raises, then his starting salary has to be ~24.9m.

So, we are 9.29m from being able to sign Turner. Micic is under contract for 8.1. So, as it stands, it seems like, even if Micic is going to forfeit *all* of his remaining salary, we would still have to cut or trade (with no salary returning) one of the NG guys (Livingston or Dre) to replace his slot with an incomplete roster charge to make this work. That's with no other moves, of course.

[JimmyTheKid]

Yep miami is farther away from portland than milwaukee is.Im sure dsmes kids wnd up with him in miami but yet couldnt atsy with him gere.Thats such a lame ass excuse

I've only ever "broken news" on this website three times, as I just happen to know someone in the know, and I understand all of you Bucks junkies appreciate an occasional fix.

1) before it was officially reported that Jabari tore his acl
2) before it was announced that the Bucks were tweaking their starting 5 last year in the playoffs
3) that Doc would be back "no matter what" (playoff sweep or not)

Not exactly earth shattering stuff, but what could be considered "inside info" nonetheless.

The same person who told me all of those "nuggets" told me Dame's wife would have moved the family to Miami had he been traded there. I know many of you blindly hate the man for "reasons" but if you can't see the difference between living in the same city as your young children and living across the country, I guess you just aren't parents yet. But to continue to bash the guy for this stale ass "gotcha" is incredibly lame.

She was willing to move the kids to miami a farther move mileage wise than 2 milwaukee.Whats your point cross country had nothing to do with it.Thry could of been together here

They're divorced. She didn't want to live in Milwaukee. She was open to living in Miami. They would have lived in separate houses in Miami. The kids would have lived at both houses.

[BigO]

If they are making any real moves its probably to bring in a SF. So that leaves us likely using a vet min on a back up PG. Technically I think they have like $3.5 left of the room exception so they could go a bit above the min.

I think you bring Rollins back but likely still need another guy.

A quick list of guys who might be gettable near the min:

Cole Anthony
Dante Exum
CP3
Patty Mills
Spencer Dinwiddie

Anthony or Exum would both be homeruns.

Wow.RJ Barrett and now this lackluster list. I wouldn't want any of them if they were free.

[SupremeHustle]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

No way. That’s definitely Claxton. You can see it in the dude’s eyes that he hates Giannis.

[BUCKnation]

Assuming Rollins is back, I'd be pretty content with that rotation at PG. I definitely wouldn't turn down Smart or Brogdon if they came on mins though. Both of those guys are pretty malleable in terms of being able to play 1-3 when they are actually on the court.

[soxperry]

I dont think its a given that we use the 31 1st. We could very well keep the powder dry and give Kpj an audition to be a real guy until the trade deadline. But if we do use it, its gotta be a two way player. Has to be. We cant go all offense like we did with Dame.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I dont think its a given that we use the 31 1st. We could very well keep the powder dry and give Kpj an audition to be a real guy until the trade deadline. But if we do use it, its gotta be a two way player. Has to be. We cant go all offense like we did with Dame.

Not sure there is a reason to trade the 1st now. We still don't know if this team is going to work or if Giannis stays healthy. End of January we will have a better feel on which direction these "younger" bucks are going and if its worth going all in. Nothing we have done has cost us long-term flexibility yet, so why destroy it unless Giannis asks us to?

[Brewhoopfan]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

No way. That’s definitely Claxton. You can see it in the dude’s eyes that he hates Giannis.

Can't imagine why.....

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[jute2003]

Yep miami is farther away from portland than milwaukee is.Im sure dsmes kids wnd up with him in miami but yet couldnt atsy with him gere.Thats such a lame ass excuse

I've only ever "broken news" on this website three times, as I just happen to know someone in the know, and I understand all of you Bucks junkies appreciate an occasional fix.

1) before it was officially reported that Jabari tore his acl
2) before it was announced that the Bucks were tweaking their starting 5 last year in the playoffs
3) that Doc would be back "no matter what" (playoff sweep or not)

Not exactly earth shattering stuff, but what could be considered "inside info" nonetheless.

The same person who told me all of those "nuggets" told me Dame's wife would have moved the family to Miami had he been traded there. I know many of you blindly hate the man for "reasons" but if you can't see the difference between living in the same city as your young children and living across the country, I guess you just aren't parents yet. But to continue to bash the guy for this stale ass "gotcha" is incredibly lame.

She was willing to move the kids to miami a farther move mileage wise than 2 milwaukee.Whats your point cross country had nothing to do with it.Thry could of been together here

Milwaukee is very different than Miami. It isn't hard to believe that someone would be willing to move to one but not the other.

[rayallenscalves]

I’d be interested in Barrett.

Young guy who has gotten more efficient as his career has progressed and probably just needs to find the right fit.

Monk seems to be on the outs in Sactown. What about Kuzma to the Kings (they could use a bigger wing, plus save a year on Monk's contract), Monk to the Raps (they save some $ over the next two seasons), and RJ to the Bucks? Throw in AJax and some non-1st picks to fill in the gaps.

[bucksfansince88]

Bucks just dropped the AJ Green highlight tape. how long until his extension is announced

[machu46]

Going to do some arithmetic here so bear with me. Assuming Bobby's contract is at his PO level, before we sign anybody, we have 107,392,277 committed to 8 players: Giannis, Kuzma, Bobby, Micic, Green, Dre, Livingston, Smith.

We then have cap holds totaling 7,850,370 on the 3 non-bird FAs we will re-sign.

Then we've got Dame's stretch salary at 22,516,603.

Then, because we are only accounting for 11 guys, we have an incomplete roster charge of 1,272,870.

Totaled, this comes out to 139,032,120.

The cap is 154,647,000.

If you assume Turner's 107m includes 5% annual raises, then his starting salary has to be ~24.9m.

So, we are 9.29m from being able to sign Turner. Micic is under contract for 8.1. So, as it stands, it seems like, even if Micic is going to forfeit *all* of his remaining salary, we would still have to cut or trade (with no salary returning) one of the NG guys (Livingston or Dre) to replace his slot with an incomplete roster charge to make this work. That's with no other moves, of course.

I am not a cap-expert, so I think it's safest for me to defer to Frank Madden and those folks who say the Micic buyout should be enough to get us the space needed to sign Turner.

My best guess is that we execute basically all of our other signings after the signing of Turner, so we utilize relatively smaller cap holds, incomplete roster charges, etc. I think if we keep Portis' original cap hold, temporarily replace Trent/Porter's cap holds with incomplete roster charges (since we're signing them with the room exception), and use incomplete roster charges in place of Harris/Sims/maybe Prince's contracts (since those are probably minimum deals), that would get us to paying Micic nearly nothing to get the cap space we need. If we end up needing to pay him a couple million to go away, I think we may have to get rid of Livingston or Jackson, but again, I'm not sure and would generally just defer to the Madden types who say we should be all set.

If the way that we've structured our minimum contracts with player options means we aren't allowed to temporarily utilize incomplete roster charges before signing those deals, then I have no clue how we make it work.

[drew881]

Grimes, too.

Grimes is a restricted FA and wants 25 million a year.

S&T Grimes for Kuzma. 4/80?

Their season 4 stats look pretty similar

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison_by_year/quentin_grimes_vs_kyle_kuzma.htm

[tsamo]

People, people. It's simple. I don't see why no one else saw this. We'll trade Kuzma+Andre+Livingston+2031/2032 1st round pick/swap to the Lakers for Lebron. Problem solved.

[Bernman]

If it makes anyone feel better, we had no shortage of dead $, many from stretches, the yr we won it all. 3m for Leuer, 2m on Sanders, 2m on Hawes, 2m on Kurucs. Adjusted for inflation, that's 13. We're spending 22.5 on this. But goes to show you can win w/ dead $, at least in the pre-apron era.

[Dick Tate]

Would you have traded a healthy Dame for Turner this offseason?

It depends. Did the Bucks make it to game 7 of the finals in this alternate timeline?

[soxperry]

I dont think its a given that we use the 31 1st. We could very well keep the powder dry and give Kpj an audition to be a real guy until the trade deadline. But if we do use it, its gotta be a two way player. Has to be. We cant go all offense like we did with Dame.

Not sure there is a reason to trade the 1st now. We still don't know if this team is going to work or if Giannis stays healthy. End of January we will have a better feel on which direction these "younger" bucks are going and if its worth going all in. Nothing we have done has cost us long-term flexibility yet, so why destroy it unless Giannis asks us to?

You dont waive and stretch Dame and sign Turner unless youre pushing all in. This roster still isnt good enough. It can be though.

[VooDoo7]

Bucks just dropped the AJ Green highlight tape. how long until his extension is announced

Where you see this at?