What was calvin booth even doing?

[Woodsanity]

After firing him nuggets fo did more in a few days than that clown did in his entire career.

[BigGargamel]

Nothing.

That's why he is gone

[EmpireFalls]

To be fair to Booth, Sean Marks bailed Denver out with accepting MPJ + a first 7 years from now for a better player in Cam Johnson. Like, Booth can’t just force Marks to accept something like that. Clearly Marks was holding out for more these previous two seasons.

I doubt that deal was out there last season. Everything else cascades down from getting off MPJ’s horrible contract (which again, to be fair to Booth, was Connelly’s doing, not his)

[zero rings]

He wanted Malone to play all the bums he drafted, so he refused to bring in any vets.

[BigGargamel]

To be fair to Booth, Sean Marks bailed Denver out with accepting MPJ + a first 7 years from now for a better player in Cam Johnson. Like, Booth can’t just force Marks to accept something like that. Clearly Marks was holding out for more these previous two seasons.

I doubt that deal was out there last season. Everything else cascades down from getting off MPJ’s horrible contract (which again, to be fair to Booth, was Connelly’s doing, not his)

See. I don't buy this. Took the new GM literal hours to do something Booth apparently "had no chance of doing" for two years. Even myself, I said Denver was pretty much stuck, but I was wrong. But it's not my job to run a basketball team.

[ChuckChilly]

The Bruce Brown acquisition along with drafting Braun and the Nuggets winning the Championship inflated his ego. It made him think the rookies he picked afterwards would be quality players, so he didn't need to do much in the off season.

[EmpireFalls]

To be fair to Booth, Sean Marks bailed Denver out with accepting MPJ + a first 7 years from now for a better player in Cam Johnson. Like, Booth can’t just force Marks to accept something like that. Clearly Marks was holding out for more these previous two seasons.

I doubt that deal was out there last season. Everything else cascades down from getting off MPJ’s horrible contract (which again, to be fair to Booth, was Connelly’s doing, not his)

See. I don't buy this. Took the new GM literal hours to do something Booth apparently "had no chance of doing" for two years. Even myself, I said Denver was pretty much stuck, but I was wrong. But it's not my job to run a basketball team.

A lot of chatter that Johnson’s price was very high during last season, more than just one first. I don’t think Booth was a good GM either but imo that trade was far more about Sean Marks than anything else. Denver didn’t force him into the trade, he wanted to make the trade.

[BruttoNostra]

To be fair to Booth, Sean Marks bailed Denver out with accepting MPJ + a first 7 years from now for a better player in Cam Johnson. Like, Booth can’t just force Marks to accept something like that. Clearly Marks was holding out for more these previous two seasons.

I doubt that deal was out there last season. Everything else cascades down from getting off MPJ’s horrible contract (which again, to be fair to Booth, was Connelly’s doing, not his)

See. I don't buy this. Took the new GM literal hours to do something Booth apparently "had no chance of doing" for two years. Even myself, I said Denver was pretty much stuck, but I was wrong. But it's not my job to run a basketball team.

A lot of chatter that Johnson’s price was very high during last season, more than just one first. I don’t think Booth was a good GM either but imo that trade was far more about Sean Marks than anything else. Denver didn’t force him into the trade, he wanted to make the trade.

Yea, but it's not about any particular move like this Nets trade - it's about trying to make the team better, not just signing vet-min players. Of course Cam Johnson's price last season was probably higher.
Last summer Booth signed what, Westbrook and Saric? Moves that many here didn't like, and I doubt those people had anything personal against Booth, expect maybe for a small part of Nuggets diehards.
The first few days of this offseason the Nuggets roster is reshaped with probably 3 new faces in their ~9 man rotation, and 1-2 of them will be part of the closing 5. Will it work? IDK, but at least they try something different this time, instead of running the same limited roster again and again.

[LAvision]

It’s pretty crazy that firing your Gm and coach a week before the playoffs actually worked out.

[Woodsanity]

It’s pretty crazy that firing your Gm and coach a week before the playoffs actually worked out.

If I had to rate them. Calvin Booth is like a 2/10 GM. Malone is a 5-6/10 coach. He is basically a poor man's Thibs. He's not bad but he is more suitable for a young team. Jokic disguised a lot of his flaws.

[DwayneSchintzus]

i always felt like Malone was a good coach and got put in a terrible position by Booth's ineptitude.

OF COURSE Malone was going crazy, you would too if you were so starved for players you welcomed Westbrook.

[Woodsanity]

i always felt like Malone was a good coach and got put in a terrible position by Booth's ineptitude.

OF COURSE Malone was going crazy, you would too if you were so starved for players you welcomed Westbrook.

Malone to me is basically a slightly worse version of Thibs. Thibs is a good coach but very flawed. Malone is decent but nothing special overall.

But at any rate Malone was at least decent, Booth was a bottom 5 GM.

[BigGargamel]

i always felt like Malone was a good coach and got put in a terrible position by Booth's ineptitude.

OF COURSE Malone was going crazy, you would too if you were so starved for players you welcomed Westbrook.

Malone to me is basically a slightly worse version of Thibs. Thibs is a good coach but very flawed. Malone is decent but nothing special overall.

But at any rate Malone was at least decent, Booth was a bottom 5 GM.

Other than Pop and Spo, I really can't think of any NBA coaches that are really difference makers. Guys will win COY and get fired 2 years later. They're all just there to not be terrible basically.

Booth had to have some kind of monstrous ego though. I'm not a conspiracy type of guy, but it really seems like he didn't sign any free agents so Malone was forced to play guys like Strawther, Picket and Tyson. Booth had the brilliant plan to draft upper classmen with low NBA floors to round out the bench, and was going to ride with his decisions no matter what.

I don't know if that's all true or hogwash, but since both he and Malone were fired, there has to be some truth to that kind of thing.

[Froob]

[TheAlchemist]

The Bruce Brown acquisition along with drafting Braun and the Nuggets winning the Championship inflated his ego. It made him think the rookies he picked afterwards would be quality players, so he didn't need to do much in the off season.

Masai Ujiri effect.

Someone should deep dive on GMs who get too ego driven.

[TheAlchemist]

It’s pretty crazy that firing your Gm and coach a week before the playoffs actually worked out.

If I had to rate them. Calvin Booth is like a 2/10 GM. Malone is a 5-6/10 coach. He is basically a poor man's Thibs. He's not bad but he is more suitable for a young team. Jokic disguised a lot of his flaws.

Why do people compare him to Thibs? Does he roll with his starters heavy and plays no other players? Does he ask for defence only?

[ForeverTFC]

To be fair to Booth, Sean Marks bailed Denver out with accepting MPJ + a first 7 years from now for a better player in Cam Johnson. Like, Booth can’t just force Marks to accept something like that. Clearly Marks was holding out for more these previous two seasons.

I doubt that deal was out there last season. Everything else cascades down from getting off MPJ’s horrible contract (which again, to be fair to Booth, was Connelly’s doing, not his)

See. I don't buy this. Took the new GM literal hours to do something Booth apparently "had no chance of doing" for two years. Even myself, I said Denver was pretty much stuck, but I was wrong. But it's not my job to run a basketball team.

There is some truth to this though. For one, the pick needed to become available for this trade to happen and MPJ needed to shed some years on that contract. They also needed to find a team with cap space willing to do the deal.

With that said, Booth did make moves, and they mostly sucked. He did have the 2029 first which he could have used for a real player but didn't and instead tried to go young (it would have been hard to make this MPJ trade then though given their salary situation). And he wasted whatever money he did have in FA with very underwhelming signings.

So Booth could have done way better and deserved to go. But, he didn't really have the assets/team available to pull off the MPJ trade through his tenure and did have to operate on the margins.

[LuDux1]

"What was calvin booth even doing?"

Arguing with Malone what to do

[BigGargamel]

There is some truth to this though. For one, the pick needed to become available for this trade to happen and MPJ needed to shed some years on that contract. They also needed to find a team with cap space willing to do the deal.

This is totally true, and I didn't think about that. The MPJ trade absolutely would not have happened without that first round pick, which just became available. Good call.

[phanman]

i always felt like Malone was a good coach and got put in a terrible position by Booth's ineptitude.

OF COURSE Malone was going crazy, you would too if you were so starved for players you welcomed Westbrook.

Malone to me is basically a slightly worse version of Thibs. Thibs is a good coach but very flawed. Malone is decent but nothing special overall.

But at any rate Malone was at least decent, Booth was a bottom 5 GM.

I don't really think it's fair to criticize Malone because all he was asking for in the 2 years post chip were some quality vets to play in the non-jokic minutes. He would kill for what the front office as able to do thus far picking up two guys who are going to be key figures off the bench in Bruce and JV swapped for the useless Saric.

It's not like Adelman extended the rotation once he took over, that was roster just inadequate with Booth's insistence of relying on young unproven guys.