Pistons related Free Agency Thread

[tmorgan]

There’s zero chance TL considers Bol Bol. He’s a known malcontent knucklehead that goes rogue on offense and does what he wants. He stinks.

[Phobo_Phile]

Would’ve preferred THJ at the minimum over what we’re paying Robinson. Personally feels like a slight panic move by Langdon but time will tell

My thoughts exactly. You can't tell me that there is a $16 Million difference between the two.

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I don't like these takes. Because:
#1 we don't know Hardaway was willing to sign back here for the minimum.

#2 it's not a $16 million difference. We don't know how Robinson's contract is structured, it's not necessarily $16 million flat yearly. It could start in the 14/15s and escalate up. But let's say it's $16 million flat for 3 years. The vet minimum for Hardaway would be like $3.6 million, which is a $12.4 million difference, not $16 million. Which segues into my next point.

#3 you have to account for getting off of Tek's $8 million in the process. So now the difference between the two players is only $4 million. Which makes sense when thinking one guy didn't seem to have alot of interest and went to a contender. The other guy literally opted out of $19 million guaranteed. And he's much more of a sniper at that.

I remember a year ago, consistently defending the THJ acquisition, and I couldn't find more than 1 or 2 other people who were ok with him being here. I hope this doesn't turn into a bunch of fake THJ love.

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The reason why I say there's a $16 Million difference isn't in raw numbers.

In the assumption that THJ could be back for the minimum or slightly above, you wouldn't need to eat into cap space for that. So you could have perhaps used the 16 million in cap space elsewhere.

While yes, minimum contracts technically eat against the cap, in no real practical purposes is that true unless you're well into the tax. For a team that's operating under the cap, if you handled minimums last the opportunity cost is basically nil.

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[zeebneeb]

Duncan Robinson is an upgrade over THJ. The real question, is of he can get his volume up to replace Beasley to a degree.

[edmunder_prc]

Duncan Robinson is an upgrade over THJ. The real question, is of he can get his volume up to replace Beasley to a degree.

Volume is easy, just shoot. THJ did that sometimes with poor efficiency. Beasley had a long streak of making an efficient amount 3s.

Beasley was really a good 6th man and played important minutes because Ivey was hurt. I don't see Levert or Robinson in the 6th man conversation and playing at the end of games. Its hard to make Beasley in the aggregate.

Hopefully that will be Ivey, Cade, Ausar, Tobias and Duren. Both Ausar and Ivey need to LEVEL UP: shoot better, fewer dumb mistakes, head up and look for teammates for Ivey.

[DetroitSho]

My thoughts exactly. You can't tell me that there is a $16 Million difference between the two.

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I don't like these takes. Because:
#1 we don't know Hardaway was willing to sign back here for the minimum.

#2 it's not a $16 million difference. We don't know how Robinson's contract is structured, it's not necessarily $16 million flat yearly. It could start in the 14/15s and escalate up. But let's say it's $16 million flat for 3 years. The vet minimum for Hardaway would be like $3.6 million, which is a $12.4 million difference, not $16 million. Which segues into my next point.

#3 you have to account for getting off of Tek's $8 million in the process. So now the difference between the two players is only $4 million. Which makes sense when thinking one guy didn't seem to have alot of interest and went to a contender. The other guy literally opted out of $19 million guaranteed. And he's much more of a sniper at that.

I remember a year ago, consistently defending the THJ acquisition, and I couldn't find more than 1 or 2 other people who were ok with him being here. I hope this doesn't turn into a bunch of fake THJ love.

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The reason why I say there's a $16 Million difference isn't in raw numbers.

In the assumption that THJ could be back for the minimum or slightly above, you wouldn't need to eat into cap space for that. So you could have perhaps used the 16 million in cap space elsewhere.

While yes, minimum contracts technically eat against the cap, in no real practical purposes is that true unless you're well into the tax. For a team that's operating under the cap, if you handled minimums last the opportunity cost is basically nil.

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Again, that all assumes Tim's willingness to sign back for the minimum. I have a TON of other preferences to signing the guys we did, but if those possibilities don't exist in real life, then it's moot.

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[dshearn]

Between THJ and Beasley we need to replace 6.1 made threes per game.

We need to hope Ivey’s early shooting wasn’t a fluke and that Lavert shoots the ball well for us.

I’d be okay with Robinson- some will feel differently but flat out shooting is desperately needed.

Is all of that an upgrade? Not really. We need internal upgrades. Fingers crossed.

I didn’t want Robinson but now he feels like a necessity. Hopefully they don’t get ripped off on a contract if they are working on something.

Hey there....

I think many Miami Heat fans have some mixed feelings when it comes to Duncan. I don't remember going anywhere in the playoffs that did not have a strong showing from Duncan Robinson. He showed up, in the post season as well as any role player I can think of. You could also argue he seldom got the easy stuff (the corner 3s) he was asked to make most of his shots on the move off of dribble hand offs. Duncan also has added something to his game every offseason, he works and improves and has shown flashes of being a neat connector that can help create for others when the other teams goes after him too hard. It is flashes of something other then just a 3 point shooter, but he has shown there is a little more versatility to his game.

Of course the mixed feeling part....I think many Heat fans would also say...the Heat could not play Tyler and Duncan at the same time, the two of them are far to weak on defense ..and even when their minutes were staggered teams just hunted them endlessly. Even alot of that post season success Miami has had in recent years Tyler was hurt, or his time was limited. I think for some Heat fans is was one or the other had to go.

Anyways...I am sure I will stop by from time to time. I have alot of love in my heart for Duncan Robinson, I think he is going to have a strong second chapter to his career.

[bstein14]

Another thing with Duncan is, he's a bit older having just turned 31 but he's only played 7 NBA seasons because he was an older college player. 423 career games played is not a lot of milage especially for a guy who is mostly a jump shooter so its entirely possible we will want him for all three seasons at $15 million per year. Its very likely he'll be a double digit scorer for us for as long as he's here. THJ was clearly not going to perform well long term on a multi-year deal for us where I think its entirely possible that Duncan will.

[DetroitSho]

Between THJ and Beasley we need to replace 6.1 made threes per game.

We need to hope Ivey’s early shooting wasn’t a fluke and that Lavert shoots the ball well for us.

I’d be okay with Robinson- some will feel differently but flat out shooting is desperately needed.

Is all of that an upgrade? Not really. We need internal upgrades. Fingers crossed.

I didn’t want Robinson but now he feels like a necessity. Hopefully they don’t get ripped off on a contract if they are working on something.

Hey there....

I think many Miami Heat fans have some mixed feelings when it comes to Duncan. I don't remember going anywhere in the playoffs that did not have a strong showing from Duncan Robinson. He showed up, in the post season as well as any role player I can think of. You could also argue he seldom got the easy stuff (the corner 3s) he was asked to make most of his shots on the move off of dribble hand offs. Duncan also has added something to his game every offseason, he works and improves and has shown flashes of being a neat connector that can help create for others when the other teams goes after him too hard. It is flashes of something other then just a 3 point shooter, but he has shown there is a little more versatility to his game.

Of course the mixed feeling part....I think many Heat fans would also say...the Heat could not play Tyler and Duncan at the same time, the two of them are far to weak on defense ..and even when their minutes were staggered teams just hunted them endlessly. Even alot of that post season success Miami has had in recent years Tyler was hurt, or his time was limited. I think for some Heat fans is was one or the other had to go.

Anyways...I am sure I will stop by from time to time. I have alot of love in my heart for Duncan Robinson, I think he is going to have a strong second chapter to his career.

Just curious, why didn't he have those types of opportunities? Just a function of the offense? Alot of motion? Not alot of stand still catch and shoot opportunities in their offense?

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[breezypeezy]

^^^^Maybe Herro got a lot of those shot opportunities in the Heat offense?

Duncan looks like a great 3pt shooter, he'll hit those Beez-3's for us!

[MrBigShot]

Heat don't even a single point guard on their roster who is even back-up caliber, much less starting caliber. Duncan will get more open looks playing with Cade than he's ever had in his life.

Trajan has done a decent job of salvaging this off season given the circumstances. Not happy about letting Schroeder go and think we should've matched the kings offer but it is what it is, opens up more room for internal growth from our young guys.

[bstein14]

Heat don't even a single point guard on their roster who is even back-up caliber, much less starting caliber. Duncan will get more open looks playing with Cade than he's ever had in his life.

Trajan has done a decent job of salvaging this off season given the circumstances. Not happy about letting Schroeder go and think we should've matched the kings offer but it is what it is, opens up more room for internal growth from our young guys.

Plus if Robinson is with the bench unit a lot, and Ivey is playing PG for them.... The best attribute Ivey has as a PG is his ability to beat his man into the lane, collapse a defense and then kick out to an open 3 point shooter. Ivey's numbers aren't good in the pick and roll he isn't a type of player you ISO and let go to work like Cade, but he can get out an run in transition and beat his man in the half court causing a defense to have to collapse and leave shooters open outside.

[theBigLip]

We still got some roster spots. We might not be done. If we are, there’s always the trade deadline. Ready for the season to start!

[bstein14]

We still got some roster spots. We might not be done. If we are, there’s always the trade deadline. Ready for the season to start!

There's probably a pretty good reason to hold one roster spot open until more information with Beasley is figured out.

Also, players are more willing to join your summer league and your actual training camp in September if you have open roster spots available that could be earned. Lets the two-way guys also have something to play for trying to get an actual minimum full year contract with the team.

[Snakebites]

Wrong time to go all in and wrong guys to go all in on.

I don’t even hate the value- just the wrong timeline financially. Ausar and Holland still have more time of cheap team control. And that’s important.

[dshearn]

I didn’t want Robinson but now he feels like a necessity. Hopefully they don’t get ripped off on a contract if they are working on something.

Hey there....

I think many Miami Heat fans have some mixed feelings when it comes to Duncan. I don't remember going anywhere in the playoffs that did not have a strong showing from Duncan Robinson. He showed up, in the post season as well as any role player I can think of. You could also argue he seldom got the easy stuff (the corner 3s) he was asked to make most of his shots on the move off of dribble hand offs. Duncan also has added something to his game every offseason, he works and improves and has shown flashes of being a neat connector that can help create for others when the other teams goes after him too hard. It is flashes of something other then just a 3 point shooter, but he has shown there is a little more versatility to his game.

Of course the mixed feeling part....I think many Heat fans would also say...the Heat could not play Tyler and Duncan at the same time, the two of them are far to weak on defense ..and even when their minutes were staggered teams just hunted them endlessly. Even alot of that post season success Miami has had in recent years Tyler was hurt, or his time was limited. I think for some Heat fans is was one or the other had to go.

Anyways...I am sure I will stop by from time to time. I have alot of love in my heart for Duncan Robinson, I think he is going to have a strong second chapter to his career.

Just curious, why didn't he have those types of opportunities? Just a function of the offense? Alot of motion? Not alot of stand still catch and shoot opportunities in their offense?

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Duncan was one of the rare players that stayed in motion possession after possession. He works his tail off every time he gets the opportunity. He never had many opportunities to sit and wait to shoot. Basically he does not sit and watch the ball on offense

Duncan’s fall from grace is Miami really could not play him with Tyler often…the defense was poor from both of them…


We just started to see a Tyler/Duncan pairing starting to work with the Ward/Bam front court… then Duncan got hurt

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[Piston Pete]

Nice!

[Piston Pete]

I don’t want Monk.

Rather get the large TPE. Or rights to Raynaud and TPE

[MotownMadness]

I don’t want Monk.

Rather get the large TPE. Or rights to Raynaud and TPE

Maybe a 3rd team is involved?

[Piston Pete]

Send Monk back out for a PF.

Monk to Utah for Collins?
Monk to Miami for Jovic?
Other?