Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[jStuNNa]

Right now he plays almost exactly like a 5, we just hope he can develop into a 4/3 because that's where his value lies.

Him becoming a 5 is a decent fallback plan though if he never develops into the PF/SF like we're all hoping.

I don’t know what tape you watched if you think he plays like 5.

I've watched a ton of his videos since we drafted him. Tell me, what PF/SF in this league is not a threat to shoot or put the ball on the floor in the year 2025? What PF/SF in the year 2025 plays like this?

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We're going to play him as a PF/SF and hope he eventually develops the skills for that, but right now his game is that of a non-shooting big playing wing. Just name me some PF/SFs who play like that.

He was only 17 for half the season lol. Outside the top 3 or 4 picks in a given draft, very few rookies have an ISO game that's ready for the NBA.

Even amongst established NBA players, the ability to create their own shot isn't a super common skill.

Who would expect that with the second youngest player in the draft, taken with the 12th pick?

[GoBlue72391]

I don’t know what tape you watched if you think he plays like 5.

I've watched a ton of his videos since we drafted him. Tell me, what PF/SF in this league is not a threat to shoot or put the ball on the floor in the year 2025? What PF/SF in the year 2025 plays like this?

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We're going to play him as a PF/SF and hope he eventually develops the skills for that, but right now his game is that of a non-shooting big playing wing. Just name me some PF/SFs who play like that.

He was only 17 for half the season lol. Outside the top 3 or 4 picks in a given draft, very few rookies have an ISO game that's ready for the NBA.

Even amongst established NBA players, the ability to create their own shot isn't a super common skill.

Who would expect that with the second youngest player in the draft, taken with the 12th pick?

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I'm not hating on him. I'm not admonishing him for not being able to create his own shot as a 6'11" 18-year-old. I wasn't expecting that from him as the 12th overall pick and second youngest player in the draft. I'm not even sure how you could come to that conclusion based off what I said.

Shot creation isn't even the biggest sticking point for me, it's currently not being able to shoot as a guy who's going to be spotting up in the corner when he's in the game. That's fine, though. He's a project.

I'm simply saying his game is closer to that of a non-shooting big than a modern 3/4 wing...right now...at this moment...that will probably change in the future, but right now he's basically a big being forced to play wing rather than a natural wing. We're taking what is essentially a young, raw big and trying to convert him to a wing. It's a worthwhile project, but that's what makes it a project, the fact that he's not finished yet.

When you combine looking at his film with those stats that I posted from that tweet, there is literally not a single SF/PF in the league right now who plays like that. Hence why I said right now he plays more like a 5 than a 3/4. Maybe Javonte Green is the closest? A handful of guys who kinda, maybe are somewhat similar, but not nearly to that extent.

His scoring profile is basically a 6'11" Ronnie Brewer, which was fine for a SG/SF 15 years ago, but Brewer would be a smallball PF/C if he were in the league today.

I don't know why people are offended by me saying that. If he actually did play like a wing as a 6'11" 18-year-old old he would have been a top 3 pick in the draft. Saying "He plays like a modern 3 or 4" and "He plays nothing like a 5" as the other posters did is just inaccurate. It's not even a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I know he's raw. I know he's a project. That's ok.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Sigh

I'm not hating on him. I'm not admonishing him for not being able to create his own shot as a 6'11" 18-year-old. I wasn't expecting that from him as the 12th overall pick and second youngest player in the draft. I'm not even sure how you could come to that conclusion based off what I said.

Shot creation isn't even the biggest sticking point for me, it's currently not being able to shoot as a guy who's going to be spotting up in the corner when he's in the game. That's fine, though. He's a project.

I'm simply saying his game is closer to that of a non-shooting big than a modern 3/4 wing...right now...at this moment...that will probably change in the future, but right now he's basically a big being forced to play wing rather than a natural wing. We're taking what is essentially a young, raw big and trying to convert him to a wing. It's a worthwhile project, but that's what makes it a project, the fact that he's not finished yet.

When you combine looking at his film with those stats that I posted from that tweet, there is literally not a single SF/PF in the league right now who plays like that. Hence why I said right now he plays more like a 5 than a 3/4. Maybe Javonte Green is the closest? A handful of guys who kinda, maybe are somewhat similar, but not nearly to that extent.

His scoring profile is basically a 6'11" Ronnie Brewer, which was fine for a SG/SF 15 years ago, but Brewer would be a smallball PF/C if he were in the league today.

I don't know why people are offended by me saying that. If he actually did play like a wing as a 6'11" 18-year-old old he would have been a top 3 pick in the draft. Saying "He plays like a modern 3 or 4" and "He plays nothing like a 5" as the other posters did is just inaccurate. It's not even a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I know he's raw. I know he's a project. That's ok.

Piggy backing off this. I want to play him as small ball 5. It's definitely the best way to utilize him at this point in time.

[GoBlue72391]

Sigh

I'm not hating on him. I'm not admonishing him for not being able to create his own shot as a 6'11" 18-year-old. I wasn't expecting that from him as the 12th overall pick and second youngest player in the draft. I'm not even sure how you could come to that conclusion based off what I said.

Shot creation isn't even the biggest sticking point for me, it's currently not being able to shoot as a guy who's going to be spotting up in the corner when he's in the game. That's fine, though. He's a project.

I'm simply saying his game is closer to that of a non-shooting big than a modern 3/4 wing...right now...at this moment...that will probably change in the future, but right now he's basically a big being forced to play wing rather than a natural wing. We're taking what is essentially a young, raw big and trying to convert him to a wing. It's a worthwhile project, but that's what makes it a project, the fact that he's not finished yet.

When you combine looking at his film with those stats that I posted from that tweet, there is literally not a single SF/PF in the league right now who plays like that. Hence why I said right now he plays more like a 5 than a 3/4. Maybe Javonte Green is the closest? A handful of guys who kinda, maybe are somewhat similar, but not nearly to that extent.

His scoring profile is basically a 6'11" Ronnie Brewer, which was fine for a SG/SF 15 years ago, but Brewer would be a smallball PF/C if he were in the league today.

I don't know why people are offended by me saying that. If he actually did play like a wing as a 6'11" 18-year-old old he would have been a top 3 pick in the draft. Saying "He plays like a modern 3 or 4" and "He plays nothing like a 5" as the other posters did is just inaccurate. It's not even a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I know he's raw. I know he's a project. That's ok.

Piggy backing off this. I want to play him as small ball 5. It's definitely the best way to utilize him at this point in time.

I'm fine with that, but I'm also fine if they want to use him strictly as a 3/4 for development purposes since that's what they envision him as in the long run.

Hopefully he can develop a shot and a handle, but if he doesn't by the time he's, idk say 25 or so, then just have him bulk up and become a full-time big man. He's got solid form on his shot and he can push the ball in transition, so there's a solid foundation to build on.

[jStuNNa]

I've watched a ton of his videos since we drafted him. Tell me, what PF/SF in this league is not a threat to shoot or put the ball on the floor in the year 2025? What PF/SF in the year 2025 plays like this?

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We're going to play him as a PF/SF and hope he eventually develops the skills for that, but right now his game is that of a non-shooting big playing wing. Just name me some PF/SFs who play like that.

He was only 17 for half the season lol. Outside the top 3 or 4 picks in a given draft, very few rookies have an ISO game that's ready for the NBA.

Even amongst established NBA players, the ability to create their own shot isn't a super common skill.

Who would expect that with the second youngest player in the draft, taken with the 12th pick?

Sigh

I'm not hating on him. I'm not admonishing him for not being able to create his own shot as a 6'11" 18-year-old. I wasn't expecting that from him as the 12th overall pick and second youngest player in the draft. I'm not even sure how you could come to that conclusion based off what I said.

Shot creation isn't even the biggest sticking point for me, it's currently not being able to shoot as a guy who's going to be spotting up in the corner when he's in the game. That's fine, though. He's a project.

I'm simply saying his game is closer to that of a non-shooting big than a modern 3/4 wing...right now...at this moment...that will probably change in the future, but right now he's basically a big being forced to play wing rather than a natural wing. We're taking what is essentially a young, raw big and trying to convert him to a wing. It's a worthwhile project, but that's what makes it a project, the fact that he's not finished yet.

When you combine looking at his film with those stats that I posted from that tweet, there is literally not a single SF/PF in the league right now who plays like that. Hence why I said right now he plays more like a 5 than a 3/4. Maybe Javonte Green is the closest? A handful of guys who kinda, maybe are somewhat similar, but not nearly to that extent.

His scoring profile is basically a 6'11" Ronnie Brewer, which was fine for a SG/SF 15 years ago, but Brewer would be a smallball PF/C if he were in the league today.

I don't know why people are offended by me saying that. If he actually did play like a wing as a 6'11" 18-year-old old he would have been a top 3 pick in the draft. Saying "He plays like a modern 3 or 4" and "He plays nothing like a 5" as the other posters did is just inaccurate. It's not even a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I know he's raw. I know he's a project. That's ok.

The post you quoted criticized is ability to score in isolation. I took that as shot creation. My bad.

I don't think we can judge much until we see him play in the NBA. The European game doesn't encourage isolation scoring, especially from young players.

Plus, at 6'10, with his NBA-level athleticism, it was probably just easier to get buckets the way he did against less athletic competition.

In the game he did play against an NBA team, he dropped 20 points. His shooting form looks good too despite not having a great percentage. A corner shot is easy to develop if your mechanics are consistent and you can get your feet set quickly.

I get your concern though. We'll have to see how fluid/agile he looks out there amongst other NBA players.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Hey all, this has gone on for a while.

Please take discussion about the non-shooting wing we drafted to the Essengue thread. This thread’s about the non-shooting wing we’re trying to trade for.

Appreciate it.

[eierluke]

Kuminga (re-signed at 4 years 72 mio) for Williams and a 1st rd pick would work for me

[Muzbar]

Kuminga (re-signed at 4 years 72 mio) for Williams and a 1st rd pick would work for me

Unfortunately that doesn't work financially.

S&Ts are a bit trickier.

[TheJordanRule]

This is about the best we can get for Coby. Kuminga is a more premium prospect than anyone else we could hope to bring in. He's the next / new Josh Giddey. Re-signing him for 4 years 70 mil would be a bargain in our system, especially as the cap increases exponentially. On the flip side, Golden State's system might fit Coby better than ours does. Apparently AK has not been in touch with GS so this is just an unrealistic hypothetical for now.

[NecessaryEvil]

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For Ayo and Jalen? Sure. For Coby? Hell no

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[WookieOnRitalin]

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For Ayo and Jalen? Sure. For Coby? Hell no

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I think the assertion is that we are likely moving on from Coby. If so, what is a realistic value for him at this moment?

I would agree that they are moving on and if Coby with Pat allows us to move on from Pat, I would be for it.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I think this helps provide context to Jonathan Kuminga’s situation in Golden State.

What I take from it is that Kuminga has a relentless, attacking mentality, and many of his clashes with the coaching staff stemmed from his resistance to toning down his game.

I believe he would be a star in Chicago.

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[Guru]

If you can somehow get Kuminga for Vuc its' a no brainer. You don't have to know exactly where he fits, you can figure that out as the year progresses

[nomorezorro]

"he can't play a complementary role next to a superstar-level player" is not a good selling point for a guy who nobody expects to be best-player-on-a-championship-team level-player

also eric paschall left golden state, played one year in utah where he scored at a lower rate than he did with the warriors, and immediately flushed out of the league. not sure he's a good person to be parroting the message of "some guys are better off not playing with steph!"

[kodo]

Warriors wanted to trade Kuminga for Malik Monk, so Coby would be a no brainer. It only didn't happen because of BYC rules. And Coby makes much less than Monk.

You can only deduce Coby was not offered.

[jnrjr79]

If you can somehow get Kuminga for Vuc its' a no brainer. You don't have to know exactly where he fits, you can figure that out as the year progresses

According to KC, you cannot, due to the BYC rule.

[NecessaryEvil]

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For Ayo and Jalen? Sure. For Coby? Hell no

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I think the assertion is that we are likely moving on from Coby. If so, what is a realistic value for him at this moment?

I would agree that they are moving on and if Coby with Pat allows us to move on from Pat, I would be for it.

So we have to sacrifice an eastern conference player of the month level talent because our idiotic FO made a blunder with trash Pat?

Hell no. Coby’s not going anywhere.

[Dez]

Kuminga (re-signed at 4 years 72 mio) for Williams and a 1st rd pick would work for me

F*** no despite it not working financially, there's zero reason to add a 1st to Williams.

His contract sucks but it's not a cap crippling contract.

[Am2626]

"he can't play a complementary role next to a superstar-level player" is not a good selling point for a guy who nobody expects to be best-player-on-a-championship-team level-player

also eric paschall left golden state, played one year in utah where he scored at a lower rate than he did with the warriors, and immediately flushed out of the league. not sure he's a good person to be parroting the message of "some guys are better off not playing with steph!"

When was the last time the Bulls were a Championship Caliber Team? Right now it’s about adding talented high upside prospects. The Bulls are far away from contending for a championship.

[WesPeace]

Stop posting **** from Die Hard CB Fan twitter account.. he might be the worst rumour trade bs poster on twitter