machu46 wrote:emunney wrote:Going to do some arithmetic here so bear with me. Assuming Bobby's contract is at his PO level, before we sign anybody, we have 107,392,277 committed to 8 players: Giannis, Kuzma, Bobby, Micic, Green, Dre, Livingston, Smith.
We then have cap holds totaling 7,850,370 on the 3 non-bird FAs we will re-sign.
Then we've got Dame's stretch salary at 22,516,603.
Then, because we are only accounting for 11 guys, we have an incomplete roster charge of 1,272,870.
Totaled, this comes out to 139,032,120.
The cap is 154,647,000.
If you assume Turner's 107m includes 5% annual raises, then his starting salary has to be ~24.9m.
So, we are 9.29m from being able to sign Turner. Micic is under contract for 8.1. So, as it stands, it seems like, even if Micic is going to forfeit *all* of his remaining salary, we would still have to cut or trade (with no salary returning) one of the NG guys (Livingston or Dre) to replace his slot with an incomplete roster charge to make this work. That's with no other moves, of course.
I am not a cap-expert, so I think it's safest for me to defer to Frank Madden and those folks who say the Micic buyout should be enough to get us the space needed to sign Turner.
My best guess is that we execute basically all of our other signings after the signing of Turner, so we utilize relatively smaller cap holds, incomplete roster charges, etc. I think if we keep Portis' original cap hold, temporarily replace Trent/Porter's cap holds with incomplete roster charges (since we're signing them with the room exception), and use incomplete roster charges in place of Harris/Sims/maybe Prince's contracts (since those are probably minimum deals), that would get us to paying Micic nearly nothing to get the cap space we need. If we end up needing to pay him a couple million to go away, I think we may have to get rid of Livingston or Jackson, but again, I'm not sure and would generally just defer to the Madden types who say we should be all set.
If the way that we've structured our minimum contracts with player options means we aren't allowed to temporarily utilize incomplete roster charges before signing those deals, then I have no clue how we make it work.
Here's my best effort breakdown. Disclaimer is that all of these numbers are coming from Spotrac, and some are estimated by them and therefore even less official. There are 6 different "scenarios" here, with moves progressively made from left to right (renouncing old cap holds, the PC for VM trade, renouncing more cap holds, fully erasing VM, renouncing another cap hold).
So, based on my best effort here and relying on Spotrac, things look very tight (a little bit short, but again, some of these numbers from Spotrac might be slightly off) even if Micic gives up all of his money and we renounce Rollins's cap hold.
Note that I think we're fine to renounce the cap holds of KPJ (because we'll sign him with the Room Exception), Prince (because he seems to be signing a true minimum), and Sims (because he seems to be signing a true minimum). I don't think that we can renounce GTJ's cap hold because I don't think he and KPJ both fit into the Room Exception (combined, they appear to go over it by $204,567...), which means we'd have to be using Non-Bird Rights on him, which we'd lose if we renounce his cap hold.
I'm sure I've missed some things here or gotten some things wrong, so please feel free to correct and provide feedback.
