Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[DanoMac]

Ben Simmons summer jumper videos ruined summer workout videos for me.

Remember Jabari's pre-draft workout videos? My god

[Bernman]

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Tyler Smith (and KPJ) getting in some summer work.

He looks so good that I think we should trade Kuzma.

Only if, in conjunction w/ the picks, it gets us the player who makes us a top tier contender (e.g. Trey Murphy). Because those are the last cards we have to play. So if it can't be achieved yet because Kyle indeed sucked last yr, got to wait to at least the deadline to see if it can then.

I don't think it should be a panic move to deal that and assets for Andrew Wiggins, for example. He can't be our #2.

[MickeyDavis]

OT: whatever happened to EastSideBucksFan?

He got really mad when we found out the truth about Thon and swore this place off iirc.

ESBF was posting as recently as Feb 2024

[PG Graveyard]

Don’t worry Dame. Feeling was mutual.

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What a bunch of garbage. I hated most of it as well. Go away

[bucksfansince88]

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Tyler Smith (and KPJ) getting in some summer work.

I mean....what are those shorts though?

Maybe he's our SF of the Future, I like it!

[higharc]

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Tyler Smith (and KPJ) getting in some summer work.

I'm manifesting Tyler Smith becoming our Lamar Odom off the bench

Would be nice if he could take a leap and play well enough to where they could move Kuzma and Smith can be Doc's jumbo wing.

Here's hoping!

Jumbo lineup of

AjG/KPj
GTj
Smitty
Giannis (ball handler)
MylesT

I'm not hating it

[MickeyDavis]

I am not a cap-expert, so I think it's safest for me to defer to Frank Madden and those folks who say the Micic buyout should be enough to get us the space needed to sign Turner.

My best guess is that we execute basically all of our other signings after the signing of Turner, so we utilize relatively smaller cap holds, incomplete roster charges, etc. I think if we keep Portis' original cap hold, temporarily replace Trent/Porter's cap holds with incomplete roster charges (since we're signing them with the room exception), and use incomplete roster charges in place of Harris/Sims/maybe Prince's contracts (since those are probably minimum deals), that would get us to paying Micic nearly nothing to get the cap space we need. If we end up needing to pay him a couple million to go away, I think we may have to get rid of Livingston or Jackson, but again, I'm not sure and would generally just defer to the Madden types who say we should be all set.

If the way that we've structured our minimum contracts with player options means we aren't allowed to temporarily utilize incomplete roster charges before signing those deals, then I have no clue how we make it work.

Here's my best effort breakdown. Disclaimer is that all of these numbers are coming from Spotrac, and some are estimated by them and therefore even less official. There are 6 different "scenarios" here, with moves progressively made from left to right (renouncing old cap holds, the PC for VM trade, renouncing more cap holds, fully erasing VM, renouncing another cap hold).



So, based on my best effort here and relying on Spotrac, things look very tight (a little bit short, but again, some of these numbers from Spotrac might be slightly off) even if Micic gives up all of his money and we renounce Rollins's cap hold.

Note that I think we're fine to renounce the cap holds of KPJ (because we'll sign him with the Room Exception), Prince (because he seems to be signing a true minimum), and Sims (because he seems to be signing a true minimum). I don't think that we can renounce GTJ's cap hold because I don't think he and KPJ both fit into the Room Exception (combined, they appear to go over it by $204,567...), which means we'd have to be using Non-Bird Rights on him, which we'd lose if we renounce his cap hold.

I'm sure I've missed some things here or gotten some things wrong, so please feel free to correct and provide feedback.

I can't even remember my phone number and you expect me to decipher this?

Einstein couldn't remember his phone number either “Never memorize what you can look up in a book"

[JayMKE]

It seems pretty evident that Dame was never particularly enthusiastic about coming to Milwaukee and I think struggled a lot with fitting with Giannis and probably the coaching. Remember at the very beginning of his tenure Adrian Griffin chased his long time coach off the team. I can’t blame him for this, the missing his kids thing is mostly just PR versus throwing others under the bus. The Bucks Dame era was kind of a **** show, it was a big swing and miss obviously.

[Bernman]

I'd have taken Brogdon over Harris. Brogdon could double as point & play up to 3 more.

[emunney]

Going to do some arithmetic here so bear with me. Assuming Bobby's contract is at his PO level, before we sign anybody, we have 107,392,277 committed to 8 players: Giannis, Kuzma, Bobby, Micic, Green, Dre, Livingston, Smith.

We then have cap holds totaling 7,850,370 on the 3 non-bird FAs we will re-sign.

Then we've got Dame's stretch salary at 22,516,603.

Then, because we are only accounting for 11 guys, we have an incomplete roster charge of 1,272,870.

Totaled, this comes out to 139,032,120.

The cap is 154,647,000.

If you assume Turner's 107m includes 5% annual raises, then his starting salary has to be ~24.9m.

So, we are 9.29m from being able to sign Turner. Micic is under contract for 8.1. So, as it stands, it seems like, even if Micic is going to forfeit *all* of his remaining salary, we would still have to cut or trade (with no salary returning) one of the NG guys (Livingston or Dre) to replace his slot with an incomplete roster charge to make this work. That's with no other moves, of course.

I am not a cap-expert, so I think it's safest for me to defer to Frank Madden and those folks who say the Micic buyout should be enough to get us the space needed to sign Turner.

My best guess is that we execute basically all of our other signings after the signing of Turner, so we utilize relatively smaller cap holds, incomplete roster charges, etc. I think if we keep Portis' original cap hold, temporarily replace Trent/Porter's cap holds with incomplete roster charges (since we're signing them with the room exception), and use incomplete roster charges in place of Harris/Sims/maybe Prince's contracts (since those are probably minimum deals), that would get us to paying Micic nearly nothing to get the cap space we need. If we end up needing to pay him a couple million to go away, I think we may have to get rid of Livingston or Jackson, but again, I'm not sure and would generally just defer to the Madden types who say we should be all set.

If the way that we've structured our minimum contracts with player options means we aren't allowed to temporarily utilize incomplete roster charges before signing those deals, then I have no clue how we make it work.

Here's my best effort breakdown. Disclaimer is that all of these numbers are coming from Spotrac, and some are estimated by them and therefore even less official. There are 6 different "scenarios" here, with moves progressively made from left to right (renouncing old cap holds, the PC for VM trade, renouncing more cap holds, fully erasing VM, renouncing another cap hold).



So, based on my best effort here and relying on Spotrac, things look very tight (a little bit short, but again, some of these numbers from Spotrac might be slightly off) even if Micic gives up all of his money and we renounce Rollins's cap hold.

Note that I think we're fine to renounce the cap holds of KPJ (because we'll sign him with the Room Exception), Prince (because he seems to be signing a true minimum), and Sims (because he seems to be signing a true minimum). I don't think that we can renounce GTJ's cap hold because I don't think he and KPJ both fit into the Room Exception (combined, they appear to go over it by $204,567...), which means we'd have to be using Non-Bird Rights on him, which we'd lose if we renounce his cap hold.

I'm sure I've missed some things here or gotten some things wrong, so please feel free to correct and provide feedback.

It occurs to me that because we'd be signing Turner, the incomplete roster cap hold would go away, so we wouldn't actually have to do anything else if all of Micic's salary vanishes.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If you had to pick one - Paul or Westbrook?

westbrook hands down with this team

[Profound23]

Kuzma at 22.4 mil is more of a negative on our cap than Dame's 22.5mil in deadcap.

[Bernman]

What mechanism do we have anymore for acquiring a guy above the minimum but below like 20 million (like most useful NBA players)?

[emunney]

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Tyler Smith (and KPJ) getting in some summer work.

I mean....what are those shorts though?

Maybe he's our SF of the Future, I like it!

I absolutely believe that Smith's pro future, given he has one, is at the 3, specifically defending on the perimeter. He's got the [developing] skillset to be a Rashard Lewis type of player. If we ask him to keep all the backend rotations straight, read who is and who will be low, etc., I think we're setting him up to fail.

[Serge28]

OT: whatever happened to EastSideBucksFan?

He got really mad when we found out the truth about Thon and swore this place off iirc.

ESBF was posting as recently as Feb 2024

He posts a lot on Twitter now

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Isn't the cap about to take a big leap again with the new rights deal? The $20M per year for the stretch might not seem so bad in that scenario.

were paying the top fit big in the league a max salary instead of a guy with a busted achilles. thats all this is

[Big Dog Yank]

Don’t worry Dame. Feeling was mutual.

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What a bunch of garbage. I hated most of it as well. Go away

None of us believe the B.S. the national media, especially ESPN, spews about Giannis, so I'm confused as to why some of you are taking this report as gospel.

[bucksfansince88]

yea westbrook could help here for sure, Rebound, push the pace and move the ball. He will play hard

[Ron Swanson]

He's got some switchable defender potential, but I really don't think you ever want Tyler Smith out there guarding perimeter players for any extended time. Dude's not that kind of athlete.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Brogdon easily the best of the playmakers/ballhandlers left in FA. CP3 is going to play close to home and retire. After Brogdon I'd go after Lowry or bring Cam Payne back.

Why would we want an old, washed up point guard? We just cleared out the older players on our team.
I’m old and I can tell you clearly- it’s a young man’s game.

if you like to play but you cant dunk then you were never any good to begin with and you aint good now