Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[higharc]

Before free agency:

Horst: "Are you cool if you are not with us next season as long as you can choose where you go?"
Dame: "Sure"

No need to call after that

[mke_design]

Read on Twitter

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Dame has nothing but time lol

Bucksrealm is the glassdoor of disgruntled former Bucks players.

[bucksfansince88]

What is Bucks Realm and why should I care?

ETA: Looks to me to just be some guy that Dame follows so he feels some loyalty towards him cuz clout. "Let em know Dame. Let. Thm. Know."

I know there's some on here that don't like BR (MD I'm lookin at you) but I like him. And for whatever reason Giannis loves the guy and interacts with him regularly. Lately Dame has been too.

Chris Haynes Burner

[MickeyDavis]

What is Bucks Realm and why should I care?

ETA: Looks to me to just be some guy that Dame follows so he feels some loyalty towards him cuz clout. "Let em know Dame. Let. Thm. Know."

He's the guy who posted an old pic of Giannis in NY as if it was current (in the midst of Giannis wanting out after the season). He blocked everyone who called him out in it. A broken clock is right twice a day

To be fair man he's just a kid trying to start a massive Bucks account. Someone messaged him that picture. And that picture was literally trending on Twitter being posted by tons of accounts. He just got caught up in some bad info. And people were tearing him apart for it which wasn't fair to him. It's way too easy to say whatever you want on Twitter with no repercussions. I'd probably be butthurt too if I was in his shoes

He's been great at engaging with not only Bucks fans but Bucks players, and Bucks players have been very fond of him for some reason.

Repercussions go both ways. You can't post stuff as fact and then say it isn't fair when he got blasted for it. And then block everyone. It would have taken him less than a minute to check if that pic was current or not. I know I've posted my objections to him in the past (I'll try to refrain in the future) and I'm not saying don't repost his stuff but his credibility always needs to be questioned.

[soxperry]

Before free agency:

Horst: "Are you cool if you are not with us next season as long as you can choose where you go?"
Dame: "Sure"

No need to call after that

that seems pointless and risks being exposed. Dame being blindsided by still getting his money and getting to choose his next team is not something id feel bad about. Its not like hes being traded to Charlotte and they want to keep him

[machu46]

Hollinger and Nehm published an article laying out part of how the Bucks were able to afford the signing, some notable parts IMO:

Let’s start with the fact that they needed to generate cap space to do anything involving Turner, unless they could get the Pacers to participate in a sign-and-trade, which wasn’t plausible for a Bucks team that has basically no draft capital to insert into a deal. (Ironically, Indiana may now have an incentive to turn this back into a sign-and-trade, but that didn’t exist when the Bucks were imagining this outcome.)

Not entirely sure how it would all work, but maybe possible still that we're able to restructure this as a sign-and-trade, give Indiana a massive trade exception, and stay over the cap, allowing us to use the MLE?

He goes on to add that if Micic's cap hit is less than $2 million, we can then waive and stretch him to free up the amount we need to sign Turner outright. If his cap hit is over $2 million, we would need to waive Livingston or possibly trade Tyler Smith to get the rest of the needed space.

Lastly, he says that we can still sign Rollins to a minimum deal, but couldn't risk him signing the qualifying offer because it would mess up the Turner math.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6467602/2025/07/02/myles-turner-damian-lillard-bucks-salary-cap-explained/

[soxperry]

Would be nice to have the MLE but then who is even out there that is worth that money right now?

[Chad34]

Pat bev says he’s coming back to the league this year. Does he have anything left to contribute to the Bucks?

[German Athens]

Would be nice to have the MLE but then who is even out there that is worth that money right now?

You can use the MLE in a trade, so that would open up the possibilities, but I’d also be wary of having to then give up something more to Indy.

[higharc]

Before free agency:

Horst: "Are you cool if you are not with us next season as long as you can choose where you go?"
Dame: "Sure"

No need to call after that

that seems pointless and risks being exposed. Dame being blindsided by still getting his money and getting to choose his next team is not something id feel bad about. Its not like hes being traded to Charlotte and they want to keep him

You don't get it. They had talks before the free agency as has been reported. They may have hinted something like that which Dame would misinterpret as a trade but not give much thought as it would seem unlikely to have suitors.

[machu46]

Would be nice to have the MLE but then who is even out there that is worth that money right now?

You can use the MLE in a trade, so that would open up the possibilities, but I’d also be wary of having to then give up something more to Indy.

I have no idea how exactly it would work, but given that they're currently losing him for nothing, they may be willing to just convert it to a sign and trade so that they get literally anything (in this case, a significant trade exception) for him. Since we have the means to sign him outright, we should be able to theoretically leverage that to give up essentially nothing in the sign-and-trade if Indiana is interested in a trade exception.

[BigO]

So would the Bucks give Kuzma to the Pacers in a sign and trade and would the Pacers take him?

I think the Bucks still like Kuzma and hope I'm wrong.

[soxperry]

Would be nice to have the MLE but then who is even out there that is worth that money right now?

You can use the MLE in a trade, so that would open up the possibilities, but I’d also be wary of having to then give up something more to Indy.

I have no idea how exactly it would work, but given that they're currently losing him for nothing, they may be willing to just convert it to a sign and trade so that they get literally anything (in this case, a significant trade exception) for him. Since we have the means to sign him outright, we should be able to theoretically leverage that to give up essentially nothing in the sign-and-trade if Indiana is interested in a trade exception.

Of course, we would have to weigh helping our rival vs what we get out of it since the bird is already in hand.

Lets see what they got for us.

[soxperry]

Before free agency:

Horst: "Are you cool if you are not with us next season as long as you can choose where you go?"
Dame: "Sure"

No need to call after that

that seems pointless and risks being exposed. Dame being blindsided by still getting his money and getting to choose his next team is not something id feel bad about. Its not like hes being traded to Charlotte and they want to keep him

You don't get it. They had talks before the free agency as has been reported. They may have hinted something like that which Dame would misinterpret as a trade but not give much thought as it would seem unlikely to have suitors.

Its also been reported that they didn't.

So

[tedbrogen]

So would the Bucks give Kuzma to the Pacers in a sign and trade and would the Pacers take him?

I think the Bucks still like Kuzma and hope I'm wrong.

Nope. Bucks wouldn’t give the Pacers anything because they are absorbing Turner’s salary. Pacers should have to give the Bucks something, like a second round pick, because otherwise it doesn’t benefit the Bucks to help them acquire a massive TPE.

[tedbrogen]

You can use the MLE in a trade, so that would open up the possibilities, but I’d also be wary of having to then give up something more to Indy.

I have no idea how exactly it would work, but given that they're currently losing him for nothing, they may be willing to just convert it to a sign and trade so that they get literally anything (in this case, a significant trade exception) for him. Since we have the means to sign him outright, we should be able to theoretically leverage that to give up essentially nothing in the sign-and-trade if Indiana is interested in a trade exception.

Of course, we would have to weigh helping our rival vs what we get out of it since the bird is already in hand.

Lets see what they got for us.

This. Pacers have to compensate the Bucks for generating a TPE for them. Best part is, they won’t even use most or all of it because their cheap owner won’t go into the tax.

[Ryan5UW]

Pat bev says he’s coming back to the league this year. Does he have anything left to contribute to the Bucks?

I'd be down if for no other reason than it was fun listening to his take on the behind the scenes Bucks stuff.

[BigO]

I have no idea how exactly it would work, but given that they're currently losing him for nothing, they may be willing to just convert it to a sign and trade so that they get literally anything (in this case, a significant trade exception) for him. Since we have the means to sign him outright, we should be able to theoretically leverage that to give up essentially nothing in the sign-and-trade if Indiana is interested in a trade exception.

Of course, we would have to weigh helping our rival vs what we get out of it since the bird is already in hand.

Lets see what they got for us.

This. Pacers have to compensate the Bucks for generating a TPE for them. Best part is, they won’t even use most or all of it because their cheap owner won’t go into the tax.

So why not just give them Kuzma? Besides the fact Indie might agree with our analysis of Kuzma.

[Bernman]

In some cases, I don't know which pundits are stupid or lying, when they say things like Turner & Brook are the same player NOW & the Bucks are paying 50m for the next 2 yrs for Myles. We're actually getting Turner for free then. Then we pay 50, 50, 22.5 (for nothing?/extension option).

[StickeeFingaz]

Within the first few minutes of the Bill Simmons pod he says he doesn’t understand why the Bucks just didn’t trade Giannis.

Yea, easy for you to say.

Edit: “I don’t think there’s a big difference between Lopez and Turner.”