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Post#781 » by DingusBojangles » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:26 pm

machu46 wrote:Hollinger and Nehm published an article laying out part of how the Bucks were able to afford the signing, some notable parts IMO:

Let’s start with the fact that they needed to generate cap space to do anything involving Turner, unless they could get the Pacers to participate in a sign-and-trade, which wasn’t plausible for a Bucks team that has basically no draft capital to insert into a deal. (Ironically, Indiana may now have an incentive to turn this back into a sign-and-trade, but that didn’t exist when the Bucks were imagining this outcome.)

Not entirely sure how it would all work, but maybe possible still that we're able to restructure this as a sign-and-trade, give Indiana a massive trade exception, and stay over the cap, allowing us to use the MLE?

He goes on to add that if Micic's cap hit is less than $2 million, we can then waive and stretch him to free up the amount we need to sign Turner outright. If his cap hit is over $2 million, we would need to waive Livingston or possibly trade Tyler Smith to get the rest of the needed space.

Lastly, he says that we can still sign Rollins to a minimum deal, but couldn't risk him signing the qualifying offer because it would mess up the Turner math.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6467602/2025/07/02/myles-turner-damian-lillard-bucks-salary-cap-explained/

That all checks out. Thanks for posting.

FYI, regarding "Not entirely sure how it would all work, but maybe possible still that we're able to restructure this as a sign-and-trade, give Indiana a massive trade exception, and stay over the cap, allowing us to use the MLE?" - I touched on this in one of my previous posts. Even if it turns into a sign-and-trade, we'd still need the cap space unless we're also sending salary (Kuzma) out in the deal. If it gets turned into a sign-and-trade and we're sending Kuzma out as part of that deal (likely to a third team, because otherwise Indy wouldn't get as big of a trade exception and then in that case, why are they doing it), only then is it potentially possible to stay over the cap and have the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (minor general note: just saying "MLE" can be a bit confusing - what is often referred to as the "Room Exception" is still technically a Mid-Level Exception, with its CBA name being "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams").
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Post#782 » by bucksfansince88 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:28 pm

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents

Still some guys out there that can help
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Post#783 » by Frank Nova » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:37 pm

bucksfansince88 wrote:https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents

Still some guys out there that can help


Rollins, Banton, Coffey would all be good low risk/high reward signings.
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Post#784 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:38 pm

There isn't much on the market of interest. It would be much better to keep the MLE (we hypothetically would get in a Pacers s&t) as a trade exception we need to absorb a mid salary & hopefully upper mid player.

The Pacers are just being petty dicks if they wouldn't agree to a s&t for just their own trade exception, because theirs would be double ours. It's free flexibility at this point.
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Post#785 » by DingusBojangles » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:38 pm

DingusBojangles wrote:
machu46 wrote:Hollinger and Nehm published an article laying out part of how the Bucks were able to afford the signing, some notable parts IMO:

Let’s start with the fact that they needed to generate cap space to do anything involving Turner, unless they could get the Pacers to participate in a sign-and-trade, which wasn’t plausible for a Bucks team that has basically no draft capital to insert into a deal. (Ironically, Indiana may now have an incentive to turn this back into a sign-and-trade, but that didn’t exist when the Bucks were imagining this outcome.)

Not entirely sure how it would all work, but maybe possible still that we're able to restructure this as a sign-and-trade, give Indiana a massive trade exception, and stay over the cap, allowing us to use the MLE?

He goes on to add that if Micic's cap hit is less than $2 million, we can then waive and stretch him to free up the amount we need to sign Turner outright. If his cap hit is over $2 million, we would need to waive Livingston or possibly trade Tyler Smith to get the rest of the needed space.

Lastly, he says that we can still sign Rollins to a minimum deal, but couldn't risk him signing the qualifying offer because it would mess up the Turner math.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6467602/2025/07/02/myles-turner-damian-lillard-bucks-salary-cap-explained/

That all checks out. Thanks for posting.

FYI, regarding "Not entirely sure how it would all work, but maybe possible still that we're able to restructure this as a sign-and-trade, give Indiana a massive trade exception, and stay over the cap, allowing us to use the MLE?" - I touched on this in one of my previous posts. Even if it turns into a sign-and-trade, we'd still need the cap space unless we're also sending salary (Kuzma) out in the deal. If it gets turned into a sign-and-trade and we're sending Kuzma out as part of that deal (likely to a third team, because otherwise Indy wouldn't get as big of a trade exception and then in that case, why are they doing it), only then is it potentially possible to stay over the cap and have the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (minor general note: just saying "MLE" can be a bit confusing - what is often referred to as the "Room Exception" is still technically a Mid-Level Exception, with its CBA name being "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams").

All that being said, I do think there's a decent chance it ends up being a relatively simple sign-and-trade where we get Turner and some sort of very minor net-positive draft compensation, Indy gets the full trade exception, and we send out no salary. In that scenario, we still need to have the cap space open to make the trade legal and we would still lose access to the Bi-annual Exception and the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception (while gaining access to the smaller Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams).
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Post#786 » by bucksfansince88 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:41 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
bucksfansince88 wrote:https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents

Still some guys out there that can help


Rollins, Banton, Coffey would all be good low risk/high reward signings.


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Post#787 » by crowhead76 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:42 pm

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Post#788 » by jakecronus8 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:43 pm

I've seen multiple "You have to really consider Turner a 50 million dollar player when you factor in the dead cap.." takes and I just don't get it. The Bucks have 15 roster spots so just take each guy's salary and add 1.5 mil to it if that makes you feel better. Bucks are 100% in a better position for the next two years at least with the creativity they displayed yesterday. Beyond that, we'll see. But while I was comfortable doing the gap year/bide your time thing, I can understand Giannis and the Bucks not feeling the same, especially given how the conference is there for the taking.

If Horst can pull one more rabbit out of his ass and trade Kuzma and assets for a plus wing I think we can be considered the 1B or 1C to the Knicks/Cavs as far as the favorites in the East
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Post#789 » by KidA24 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:45 pm

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Daver wrote:
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I've only ever "broken news" on this website three times, as I just happen to know someone in the know, and I understand all of you Bucks junkies appreciate an occasional fix.

1) before it was officially reported that Jabari tore his acl
2) before it was announced that the Bucks were tweaking their starting 5 last year in the playoffs
3) that Doc would be back "no matter what" (playoff sweep or not)

Not exactly earth shattering stuff, but what could be considered "inside info" nonetheless.

The same person who told me all of those "nuggets" told me Dame's wife would have moved the family to Miami had he been traded there. I know many of you blindly hate the man for "reasons" but if you can't see the difference between living in the same city as your young children and living across the country, I guess you just aren't parents yet. But to continue to bash the guy for this stale ass "gotcha" is incredibly lame.


She was willing to move the kids to miami a farther move mileage wise than 2 milwaukee.Whats your point cross country had nothing to do with it.Thry could of been together here
Milwaukee is very different than Miami. It isn't hard to believe that someone would be willing to move to one but not the other.



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Post#790 » by DanoMac » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:45 pm

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Post#791 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:50 pm

KidA24 wrote:
jute2003 wrote:
Daver wrote:
She was willing to move the kids to miami a farther move mileage wise than 2 milwaukee.Whats your point cross country had nothing to do with it.Thry could of been together here
Milwaukee is very different than Miami. It isn't hard to believe that someone would be willing to move to one but not the other.



This was PJ Tucker's reaction to Milwaukee:

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How it started.

And how it ended.

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Some players are just more professional than Dame I guess.
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Post#792 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:50 pm

If Simmons thinks it was bad it makes me like it more.
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Post#793 » by Turk Nowitzki » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:50 pm

They're all furious that neither Giannis nor the Bucks front office is capitulating to the narrative they've tried so hard to create out of nothing. Instead we're doubling and tripling down and they cannot stand it. Milwaukee vs everyone
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Post#794 » by SupremeHustle » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:51 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Don’t worry Dame. Feeling was mutual.

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Exactly. I'm sure Giannis is really torn up about it as well.
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Post#795 » by SupremeHustle » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:52 pm

Dame just never felt like a Buck. On the contrary, it took me two seconds to feel like Jrue was a real one. If Khris had never gotten hurt, I believe he'd still be with us, and Dame would be with his family somewhere. We'd all be happier.
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Post#796 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:53 pm

its hard to imagine how the national media could be less in tune with what is actually hapoening here than what is actually happening here.

i just pray giannis and maybe thanasis along with him get how good this offseason has been for our future

giannis...if you are reading this. step on the gas my brother. step on the gas. this may be the best of what you look back at when its all over these next 5 years. were a differnet team. and your team. its yours. built for you.

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Post#797 » by Wonka » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:55 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Dame just never felt like a Buck. On the contrary, it took me two seconds to feel like Jrue was a real one. If Khris had never gotten hurt, I believe he'd still be with us, and Dame would be with his family somewhere. We'd all be happier.


The truth came to light in terms of Jrue vs. Dame, and in the end, you put it perfectly. Dame never felt like he wanted to be here. Jrue wanted to be a Buck for life and publicly pined for that becoming a reality.
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Post#798 » by PG Graveyard » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:56 pm

DanoMac wrote:
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These guys are really concerned about the Bucks cap sheet in 2028. I honestly can’t see much of a downside with the move right now. We didnt have great options after the Dame injury. It must really piss them off that they never thought of this.
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Post#799 » by Bernman » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:56 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:They're all furious that neither Giannis nor the Bucks front office is capitulating to the narrative they've tried so hard to create out of nothing. Instead we're doubling and tripling down and they cannot stand it. Milwaukee vs everyone


If the Bucks won the title, it'd be the most satisfying one ever as a fan for me, but I think of a team in NBA history. We'd have beaten the entire media & league, doubly. Have never seen this level of deceit and bias in sport.
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Post#800 » by emunney » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:56 pm

Anyway, we can take back up to 31.64m if we send out Kuzma and one of Dre/Livingston. I know I've seen Murphy and Alvarado tossed around here, and that would both require and warrant using the pick. I legitimately think Dumars can be sold on Kuzma in part because he's from Flint.
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