Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[Knightro]

If push came to shove, I would rather trade Goga than Isaac.

[eyriq]

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[DiplomaticMagic]

I think Goga is a good player, but I would trade him for Knect if that frees up the money for Moritz.

I dont want to trade JI.

[fendilim]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

I think people just have to accept the fact that Isaac is and will forever be playing bench minutes in order to keep him available.

That’s why his new contract extension, he is already being paid like one.

He’ll be good for a few games where he’ll play starter minutes, but he isn’t built to do it for a long period, imo. That ship has sailed.

he should be paid like a dpoy candidate, but they just divide it into half cause that’s only the minutes he can play.

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Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

This.

People need to come to the realization that Jonathan Isaac in 2025 isn’t Jonathan Isaac in 2018 after multiple injuries and surgeries. He’s a fraction of what he was as a defensive player and isn’t remotely the same.

Of all the positions to splurge on I think Paolo’s backup is the least important. He will never come out of a game if it’s close. Da Silva and now Penda were prioritized with multiple assets.

Isaac is no longer versatile and last season proved he cannot play Center whatsoever, nor should he be doing that with 3 Centers on the payroll. I like the guy personally. I think he’s a good player based on his ability to defend on the court, but that’s all he is providing right now.

[OrlandoDream]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

I think people just have to accept the fact that Isaac is and will forever be playing bench minutes in order to keep him available.

That’s why his new contract extension, he is already being paid like one.

He’ll be good for a few games where he’ll play starter minutes, but he isn’t built to do it for a long period, imo. That ship has sailed.

he should be paid like a dpoy candidate, but they just divide it into half cause that’s only the minutes he can play.

That would be fine but he cant even do that. If JI can give me 18-22min on 70+ games to give that all out defensive effort then he can be a magician for life. But its always something with him. Im just tired of continuing to hope "maybe next year will be his time" for him to be effective for the whole season. WEre all hoping he can build on what he did 23-24 with that contract. We have to move on. Its been 8 years.

[OrlandoDream]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

This.

People need to come to the realization that Jonathan Isaac in 2025 isn’t Jonathan Isaac in 2018 after multiple injuries and surgeries. He’s a fraction of what he was as a defensive player and isn’t remotely the same.

Of all the positions to splurge on I think Paolo’s backup is the least important. He will never come out of a game if it’s close. Da Silva and now Penda were prioritized with multiple assets.

Isaac is no longer versatile and last season proved he cannot play Center whatsoever, nor should he be doing that with 3 Centers on the payroll. I like the guy personally. I think he’s a good player based on his ability to defend on the court, but that’s all he is providing right now.

To add on to this he will be 28 when the season starts. Once those late 20s and early 30s starting creeping up on bigs, they go down quick. With his injury history, min playing time, and aging, JI stock is going to fall quickly in about 3-4 years. I just think there are more effective use of our cap with hits 14-15mil contract. Thats a midlevel right there for a solid rotation player.

[BadMofoPimp]

I think Moe or WCJ can spend 5-10mpg helping PF at times as well.

[mattdelray1220]

I think the writing is on the wall with this one..

With WCJ injury history and Moe potentially not being read day 1, Goga is here to stay. I also think he is not the final version of himself. Can still improve in many ways and hopefully will. JI is not being moved either. At least not now. We don't have another PF on the roster. Yes, Moe and WCJ can play a little there and maybe TDS but again WCJ injuries and Moe not being ready.

The only player we can move that opens up money for Moe is Jett. It is very clear our guards will be Suggs, Bane, Tyus, AB. We drafted a guard in Jace. If last year told us anything is that Caleb outplayed Jett and was used over him. The Magic FO LOVES Caleb. First one in last one out. Jeff mentions him a lot when he talks about our development. He is the type of player the Magic is going to need to maneuver through this cap stuff. Can be the 11-15th man on a 2-4 mill salary. They are NOT going to pay Jett 7 million next year to be the 6th guard. He is gone.

This sucks too because I like Jett. Hopefully finds a place in the league. We spent 2 seasons developing him and in a perfect world he fits in perfectly with Franz and Paolo. We are in WIN NOW mode. Do not have time for Jett anymore.

I expect Jett to be moved any day for a future 2nd. Terrible value and the FO will get bashed by the fans online. Can't win them all.

Moe to be signed to a 2yr/18
Caleb to be signed 2yr/6

Give or take.

[fendilim]

I think Goga is a good player, but I would trade him for Knect if that frees up the money for Moritz.

I dont want to trade JI.

Indeed.

I like Goga, I respect him a lot for transforming his body to become more agile and switchable in the perimeter. I don’t think he ever complained about his role switching from starter minutes to third stringer then vice versa.

He has already found his role with our team, i remember two seasons ago, he even tried to shoot a game winning 3 or something lol last year, he knows his role already.

Its going to be tough to replace him because while what he brings to the table is not that hard to find, for some reason it has translated to wins for us whenever he gets playing time as an insurance policy.

But good things do come to an end, and I think we need to consider moving him and find someone cheaper. Maybe ship him back to Indiana?

[fendilim]

I think the writing is on the wall with this one..

With WCJ injury history and Moe potentially not being read day 1, Goga is here to stay. I also think he is not the final version of himself. Can still improve in many ways and hopefully will. JI is not being moved either. At least not now. We don't have another PF on the roster. Yes, Moe and WCJ can play a little there and maybe TDS but again WCJ injuries and Moe not being ready.

The only player we can move that opens up money for Moe is Jett. It is very clear our guards will be Suggs, Bane, Tyus, AB. We drafted a guard in Jace. If last year told us anything is that Caleb outplayed Jett and was used over him. The Magic FO LOVES Caleb. First one in last one out. Jeff mentions him a lot when he talks about our development. He is the type of player the Magic is going to need to maneuver through this cap stuff. Can be the 11-15th man on a 2-4 mill salary. They are NOT going to pay Jett 7 million next year to be the 6th guard. He is gone.

This sucks too because I like Jett. Hopefully finds a place in the league. We spent 2 seasons developing him and in a perfect world he fits in perfectly with Franz and Paolo. We are in WIN NOW mode. Do not have time for Jett anymore.

I expect Jett to be moved any day for a future 2nd. Terrible value and the FO will get bashed by the fans online. Can't win them all.

Moe to be signed to a 2yr/18
Caleb to be signed 2yr/6

Give or take.

with tyus now in the team, I think finding a jett replacement is easier now.

What makes jett unique to other shooters is he isnt one dimensional. Unfortunately, this just hasnt translated to the league and once all the dust settles he has to focus on being just a shooter to stay in the league.

Thus said, i think we need to scour the gleague a start looking at good shooters who we can sign to 2-way deals. This can help circumvent us around the cap room fiasco.

[Knightro]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

This.

People need to come to the realization that Jonathan Isaac in 2025 isn’t Jonathan Isaac in 2018 after multiple injuries and surgeries. He’s a fraction of what he was as a defensive player and isn’t remotely the same.

Of all the positions to splurge on I think Paolo’s backup is the least important. He will never come out of a game if it’s close. Da Silva and now Penda were prioritized with multiple assets.

Isaac is no longer versatile and last season proved he cannot play Center whatsoever, nor should he be doing that with 3 Centers on the payroll. I like the guy personally. I think he’s a good player based on his ability to defend on the court, but that’s all he is providing right now.

Again... he doesn't have to be the Jonathan Isaac of 2018.

The Jonathan Isaac of 23-24 was unquestionably worth $15M dollars.

I'm willing to roll into December/January/the deadline and see if the Magic can get that version of Isaac, even for 15-18 MPG.

If they can't, he's a salary match in a trade... just like he is right now.

[orlando_joe]

Since 2014, here are the seasons and players with a 90th percentile in:

Defensive playmaking
Perimeter isolation defense
Rim protection
Defensive rebounding

2019 - Rudy Gobert
2020 - Anthony Davis
2024 - Jonathan Isaac

2025 was a weird year for Isaac, he came into camp out of shape and Orlando experimented with him at center (probably told him to add some weight). Team injuries also didn’t help with role/continuity.

I get everyone wanting to move him to get better, but Isaac is quite literally a year removed from having a generational defensive impact.

Not a good defender, not an elite one but a generational statistically.

It’s not crazy to think with him returning to his natural position, getting in shape (which already looks like he is) that we can expect a similar result. Maybe not generational, but we really don’t need that.

Getting a 20m a night elite defensive specialist back that can solely and directly sway a playoff series is equivalent if not more impactful than any free agent acquisition imo…including Mo.

All of us have seen what Judah can do. Nobody is arguing that. His defensive stats (except last year) are great. Fans are just tired of him being unavailable. He just completed his 8th year and has had one season where he played 70+ games avg 20+ minutes. Were at a point where this team needs consistent rotation pieces to make playoff run. Jonathan Isaac just isn't dependable.

I think people just have to accept the fact that Isaac is and will forever be playing bench minutes in order to keep him available.

That’s why his new contract extension, he is already being paid like one.

He’ll be good for a few games where he’ll play starter minutes, but he isn’t built to do it for a long period, imo. That ship has sailed.

he should be paid like a dpoy candidate, but they just divide it into half cause that’s only the minutes he can play.

really cut in thirds with this new money

[eyriq]

What's the current state of the center market?

Demand side:

Lakers don't have a starter, shopping for one via trade and considering Ayton.

Celtics have lost Kornet and Horford is a free agent, they are also shopping for a starter.

Pacers lost Turner and are looking at Ayton, need a starter.

Hornets are looking for a center with higher upside than Plumlee.

Bulls are trying to trade Vooch and go younger at the position.

Is Moritz an option for any of them? Not really.

[RookieStar]

WCJ shot 37% from 3 two years ago. Just needs to shoot over 35% this year.

He was trending every year until last year. I have to believe that guard play was a huge issue for this team's role players last year. Bane + Jones + a healthy Suggs is going to be a MAJOR upgrade and I think the effect will be felt across the roster.

I think with all the teams injuries, that WCJ didn't have the spacing he needed to set up his 3's. Now, he will have more uncontested shots in my opinion. We hope that he should get back on track.

I dunno man... wcj has space.. he just keeps doing those pump fakes even without anyone near him

[Cammo101]

What's the current state of the center market?

Demand side:

Lakers don't have a starter, shopping for one via trade and considering Ayton.

Celtics have lost Kornet and Horford is a free agent, they are also shopping for a starter.

Pacers lost Turner and are looking at Ayton, need a starter.

Hornets are looking for a center with higher upside than Plumlee.

Bulls are trying to trade Vooch and go younger at the position.

Is Moritz an option for any of them? Not really.

This is both telling for Moe's lack of a market, but also means Goga probably does have value in the market if we wanted to move him. With Moe's health being up in the air, I'm not sure I would move him, but I bet he'd fetch more than most think right now given all the contenders without centers.

[eyriq]

What's the current state of the center market?

Demand side:

Lakers don't have a starter, shopping for one via trade and considering Ayton.

Celtics have lost Kornet and Horford is a free agent, they are also shopping for a starter.

Pacers lost Turner and are looking at Ayton, need a starter.

Hornets are looking for a center with higher upside than Plumlee.

Bulls are trying to trade Vooch and go younger at the position.

Is Moritz an option for any of them? Not really.

This is both telling for Moe's lack of a market, but also means Goga probably does have value in the market if we wanted to move him. With Moe's health being up in the air, I'm not sure I would move him, but I bet he'd fetch more than most think right now given all the contenders without centers.

100% agree with you.

[TyMagic23]

If I'm Weltman, I'm trading Goga. Sign Mo Wagner and bring him back slow. Then I sign Moussa Diabate or Thomas Bryant to vet minimum contract. Both could hold us over for half a year and provide really good play at times.

[anothermagicfan]

I get that Jett hasn't provided much. He's 21 and played 78 games so far in his career. It's crazy the amount of posts about giving up first round picks to get Bane and somehow the jury is already out on Jett. It would be foolish and impatient to not see it out for another year or 2 with him.

WCJ on the other hand has been around long enough to know the player that he is. He will not get exponentially better at this point. He will not become a guy that plays 65-70 games regularly. He will not impact winning regardless of him shooting 37% from 3 once. His missed games is the reason we have money spent across 3 centers and are now trying to figure out how to save enough to resign mo.

We win more without WCJ than with him. During the regular season. If we are in win now mode then winning in the playoffs should matter as well. So why isn't the focus on getting rid of the starting center that we do better without?

[eyriq]

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