Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

Debit One · Post #901 » by **Debit One** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:34 am

blazza18 wrote:
DanoMac wrote:

Read on Twitter

Bill’s becoming more of a clown each passing day

Just catching this now. Turner fits next to Giannis but the Bucks are being pretty reckless with everything they're doing just to keep Giannis. They're going to go down swinging and I guess deserve credit for that but this is going to end in a disaster eventually.

I feel as though the disaster was going to occur anyway, as Giannis at 33+ years of age won’t be awesome and the draft capital being in the hands of others makes effective tanking a tall task.

I’ll take the next two years being better than they were going to be at the expense of lower lows in years 3 - 5.

Profound23 · Post #902 » by **Profound23** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:34 am

ReasonablySober wrote:It's not like Turner isn't extremely tradeable if Giannis leaves, which, at that point who gives a **** if they're on the hook for $22 million a year for Dame.

That 15% trade kicker makes trading Turner a little difficult at least

JEIS · Post #903 » by **JEIS** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:37 am

Frank Nova wrote:Is there real interest in Chris Paul? Jon Horst is really **** killing me lately trying to make me not hate Doc Rivers and Kyle Kuzma and now Chris Paul? I’m not sure I can handle that. I hope that’s just BS, we can do better.

I could see Doc wanting him... Bobby and Giannis... He!! nah. I would rather have Pat Bev... Even Westbrook with all his warts feels better than Chris Paul. Giannis can at least have someone he respects as far as his work ethic goes.

Matches Malone · Post #904 » by **Matches Malone** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:40 am

drone3 wrote:3 spots open now with Livingston waived

I know they haven't decided on if Markovic will go back to Europe or not, but I kind of hope one of the last spots goes to him so he can be around Giannis all the time. He has a very similar work ethic and confidence a young Giannis had, and I think it could help his development.

MikeIsGood · Post #905 » by **MikeIsGood** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:41 am

blazza18 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:the only way its a disaster is if giannis walks in FA

That would be the worst possible scenario. But if Horst doesn't nail this next step we're going to be hoping Giannis askes out.

I think you're catastrophising a bit. Can you detail what you think is do disasterous about a non-Giannis FA departure scenario?

I'm not saying it's a great situation - it isn't. But I think you're maybe being influenced by the media a bit.

MoreTrife · Post #906 » by **MoreTrife** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:42 am

Brew Hoop reported that Buck's rescinded Rollins qualifying offer.... Am I missing something or is he gone??

fansinceforever · Post #907 » by **fansinceforever** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:44 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
fansinceforever wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Agree, but we do need to add something useful in the Kuzma deal, and that player becomes our tradable salary next offseason if we try to pull off a 3- 1st trade.

Yeahhhh but if that's not possible, get him off the team for an expiring and his minutes can get absorbed by Taurean Prince and the hopefully much improved and filled out Tyler Smith.

Contracts aside, Kuzma pre 2025 is significantly better than Prince. Not my kind of player, but neither is Prince.

Either way, I doubt Kuzma is back, but dealing him for an expiring leaves is with no tradable salary, but still over the cap. That's not a good place to be. We'll also get better value back by taking on a multi year deal.

Sure, whatever. Just get him out of here. I don't care what his numbers were in Washington. The guy is the type of player that will cost you possessions and games if you play him.

ShootingtheJ · Post #908 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:45 am

Profound23 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:It's not like Turner isn't extremely tradeable if Giannis leaves, which, at that point who gives a **** if they're on the hook for $22 million a year for Dame.

That 15% trade kicker makes trading Turner a little difficult at least

True, but players often waive these if they're ready to move on.

As for Dames dead money, $22 million seems like a lot now, but it should be looked at as a percentage of the cap. After the new TV deal, it will be a much less significant percentage.

Baddy Chuck · Post #909 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:46 am

MoreTrife wrote:Brew Hoop reported that Buck's rescinded Rollins qualifying offer.... Am I missing something or is he gone??

His qualifying offer was higher than his cap hold so they rescinded it to get a few extra dollars for Turner I'm assuming. Cutting Livingston allows us to keep the cap hold and retain Rollins on a minimum + deal assuming he doesn't get offers he likes better elsewhere because being unrestricted means we basically have no control outside of offering a little more than minimum compared to another teams minimum.

Post #910 » by **humanrefutation** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:48 am

I'd like Chris Paul to play with Giannis for one season just to teach him how to succeed off-ball.

drone3 · Post #911 » by **drone3** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:49 am

Yeah Bogi should definitely be on the team. Giannis sharing the knowledge is where it's at.

Bogi also needs to get stronger so he can play at C and Smitty at the 4

drone3 · Post #912 » by **drone3** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:51 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
MoreTrife wrote:Brew Hoop reported that Buck's rescinded Rollins qualifying offer.... Am I missing something or is he gone??

His qualifying offer was higher than his cap hold so they rescinded it to get a few extra dollars for Turner I'm assuming. Cutting Livingston allows us to keep the cap hold and retain Rollins on a minimum + deal assuming he doesn't get offers he likes better elsewhere because being unrestricted means we basically have no control outside of offering a little more than minimum compared to another teams minimum.

True, but it looks like bucks will give him the most play time

skbucks1985 · Post #913 » by **skbucks1985** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:03 am

emunney wrote:Anyway, we can take back up to 31.64m if we send out Kuzma and one of Dre/Livingston. I know I've seen Murphy and Alvarado tossed around here, and that would both require and warrant using the pick. I legitimately think Dumars can be sold on Kuzma in part because he's from Flint.

Murphy is someone I'd be willing to overpay for because he'd be such a perfect fit, but the Bucks don't really have the ability to overpay for him. Bane and Murphy are I think similar caliber players, you can have an opinion one way or the other but I don't think one is viewed as appreciably more valuable than the other. And Bane went for 4 1st's and a pick swap, even if you think one of those was to take KCP that's still 3 firsts and a pick swap. The only argument you can make that the Bucks can offer a similar package is, and its not a crazy view, is that Orlando's 3 best players are between 22-24 and so their picks between now and 2030 are less valuable than the typical 1st rounder.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #914 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:06 am

Hard pass on an ancient CP3 for this team.

blazza18 · Post #915 » by **blazza18** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:13 am

MikeIsGood wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:the only way its a disaster is if giannis walks in FA

That would be the worst possible scenario. But if Horst doesn't nail this next step we're going to be hoping Giannis askes out.

I think you're catastrophising a bit. Can you detail what you think is do disasterous about a non-Giannis FA departure scenario?

I'm not saying it's a great situation - it isn't. But I think you're maybe being influenced by the media a bit.

The only draft assets this team will have soon will be swap rights for the next 7+ years. Just not a great place to be in with an ok roster and an ageing Giannis. That's why this next move has to be nailed.

soxperry · Post #916 » by **soxperry** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:15 am

Rollins, Bogi, Thanasis in

Kuzma out, Andre out if needed in trade that upgrades wing

Good summer

ShootingtheJ · Post #917 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:21 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
MoreTrife wrote:Brew Hoop reported that Buck's rescinded Rollins qualifying offer.... Am I missing something or is he gone??

His qualifying offer was higher than his cap hold so they rescinded it to get a few extra dollars for Turner I'm assuming. Cutting Livingston allows us to keep the cap hold and retain Rollins on a minimum + deal assuming he doesn't get offers he likes better elsewhere because being unrestricted means we basically have no control outside of offering a little more than minimum compared to another teams minimum.

We have Rollins Early Bird rights, so we could pay him really well if we want or needed to.

htr · Post #918 » by **htr** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:26 am

Herbert Jones and Alvarado for Kuzma works in checker. Do we have any seconds to add? That seems plausible and probably could have been done without picks prior to Kuz Milwaukee time performance.

soxperry · Post #919 » by **soxperry** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:27 am

Just listened to Bill's pod.. why does he keep saying we have zero avenues to further improve the team?

We just watched everyone deep throat the Nuggets for moving a 32 1st and MPJ's bad contract for Cam Johnson and cap relief.

Why cant we accomplish that and more with 31 1st, 32 swap, and 26 swap?

MikeIsGood · Post #920 » by **MikeIsGood** » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:27 am

blazza18 wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
That would be the worst possible scenario. But if Horst doesn't nail this next step we're going to be hoping Giannis askes out.

I think you're catastrophising a bit. Can you detail what you think is do disasterous about a non-Giannis FA departure scenario?

I'm not saying it's a great situation - it isn't. But I think you're maybe being influenced by the media a bit.

The only draft assets this team will have soon will be swap rights for the next 7+ years. Just not a great place to be in with an ok roster and an ageing Giannis. That's why this next move has to be nailed.

2031 is ours and is why I've personally been so stingy with it. I agree.

This was the case regardless of the stretch/waive and Turner move, though. With how bleak things are post-Giannis, what makes our future situation so much worse after yesterday's moves?