Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[soxperry]

I know boston has some black magic on these trades, but if they can get off that holiday deal and actually get a decent player and a pick for him, anything is possible with kuz

Yeah i think thats equally as incorrect as every team thinking they have a chance because Indy made a run.

Jrue still has value because he has never not had value. He has always been a winning player. He is just older.

Kuzma has looked embarrassingly bad and posted some extremely ugly numbers lately. But even before that, he wasnt some sought after commodity.

Im not saying its impossible. Im just saying Jrue is not a reason its possible if there is one

[soxperry]

I want Khris back

Im not closing the door on that.

Remember, Khris himself said "This isnt goodbye..."

He cant really defend anymore but he can damn sure create a jumper. I look forward to his return. Its like when the Celtics had to get rid of Horford.. he found his way back

[blazza18]

There is no future.

Now is now

And I'll be mostly fine with that if the team is good.

[Prez]

I want Khris back

Prime Khris would be so nasty on this team. We basically need a playmaking/scoring SF to play #2 to Giannis, help as a late game closer, and bring everything together between the younger guards (KPJ, GTJ, Green, hopefully Rollins) and the bigs (Turner, Bobby, Sims). Excluding the obvious superstar wings, there honestly might not be a better fitting wing for the current roster over the past decade than prime Khris. It sucks the injuries got him and he's in basketball Siberia.

[Licensed to Il]

Its almost as if finding a two way playmaking wing is so hard, that a savvy team would have been trying like hell to draft and develop one instead of lighting draft picks on fire

[soxperry]

Its almost as if finding a two way playmaking wing is so hard, that a savvy team would have been trying like hell to draft and develop one instead of lighting draft picks on fire

Let me tell you about a guy named Marjon...

[Shaffty]

Its almost as if finding a two way playmaking wing is so hard, that a savvy team would have been trying like hell to draft and develop one instead of lighting draft picks on fire

how many of those total have been drafted in the last 5 years?

[PG Graveyard]

Its almost as if finding a two way playmaking wing is so hard, that a savvy team would have been trying like hell to draft and develop one instead of lighting draft picks on fire

We did win a title while being the second winningiest team since 2018.

[JEIS]

I feel like Kpj could unlock the lob game for Sims and Ajj. I am just pulling it out of my a$$... dude just seems like he made the right passes often. He and Brook had a good thing going last year.

[DingusBojangles]

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Something in Spotrac's numbers has got to be off then if this is true. Because otherwise I'm not seeing it. The most likely answer is probably that KPJ's number and/or GTJ's number is slightly different than what Spotrac is projecting, and they actually do both fit into the Room Exception. But if that's the case, and assuming other Spotrac numbers are accurate, then we didn't actually need to waive Livingston. That move only saved us $948,807.00 when it comes to the important pre-Turner signing cap space number (Livingston's cap number was $2,221,667.00, and now he needs to be replaced by another incomplete roster charge, which is $1,272,870.00).

[soxperry]

I feel like Kpj could unlock the lob game for Sims and Ajj. I am just pulling it out of my a$$... dude just seems like he made the right passes often. He and Brook had a good thing going last year.

Kpj had 15 potential assists in his first playoff game. We missed a lot of those but the kid can distribute.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

[DingusBojangles]

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Something in Spotrac's numbers has got to be off then if this is true. Because otherwise I'm not seeing it. The most likely answer is probably that KPJ's number and/or GTJ's number is slightly different than what Spotrac is projecting, and they actually do both fit into the Room Exception. But if that's the case, and assuming other Spotrac numbers are accurate, then we didn't actually need to waive Livingston. That move only saved us $948,807.00 when it comes to the important pre-Turner signing cap space number (Livingston's cap number was $2,221,667.00, and now he needs to be replaced by another incomplete roster charge, which is $1,272,870.00).

I see that Yossi does have slightly different KPJ and GTJ numbers which do add up to exactly the Room Exception. So if that's the case, we should be fine renouncing GTJ's cap hold and keeping Rollins's cap hold. But it doesn't appear to me like releasing Livingston was necessary for this (but I'm overall still fine with that move).

[tski1972]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

Is that even a thing? I thought the stretch is what it is regardless of what another team signs him for.

[Rstuedes24]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

I was just gonna post about this. Everything I've read online says we don't save any of that money regardless, but Jim O said otherwise. So if Dame suddenly signs for like MLE money it would wipe a large chunk of that off of our cap sheet? Because that would be a massive difference maker.

Also I've seen like a billion different things on this. If we were able to turn this into a sign and trade on Turner, some people were saying it would reenable us to use more $ to sign FAs? Another thing I saw mentioned if we spend X amount we would then gain access to the MLE?

[MickeyDavis]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

Wouldn't a team just pay him the minimum and we'd have to pay the rest? Why would another team pay more so we could pay less?

I'm not sure how that all works.

[MikeIsGood]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

I was just gonna post about this. Everything I've read online says we don't save any of that money regardless, but Jim O said otherwise. So if Dame suddenly signs for like MLE money it would wipe a large chunk of that off of our cap sheet? Because that would be a massive difference maker.

Also I've seen like a billion different things on this. If we were able to turn this into a sign and trade on Turner, some people were saying it would reenable us to use more $ to sign FAs? Another thing I saw mentioned if we spend X amount we would then gain access to the MLE?

em clarified this earlier. Take 50% of whatever total he signs, stretched out over years 3-5 (the years we carry his deal either way / when he would have been off the books).

Example if I understand correctly: Dame signs for $20M. We get $10M in savings over 3 years - $3.33M off of each year 3-5.

[emunney]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

Is that even a thing? I thought the stretch is what it is regardless of what another team signs him for.

It's a thing on all non-buyout waivers and some buyouts.

[soxperry]

I wonder if we could get Scottie Barnes

[emunney]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

I was just gonna post about this. Everything I've read online says we don't save any of that money regardless, but Jim O said otherwise. So if Dame suddenly signs for like MLE money it would wipe a large chunk of that off of our cap sheet? Because that would be a massive difference maker.

Also I've seen like a billion different things on this. If we were able to turn this into a sign and trade on Turner, some people were saying it would reenable us to use more $ to sign FAs? Another thing I saw mentioned if we spend X amount we would then gain access to the MLE?

em clarified this earlier. Take 50% of whatever total he signs, stretched out over years 3-5 (the years we carry his deal either way / when he would have been off the books).

Example if I understand correctly: Dame signs for $20M. We get $10M in savings over 3 years - $3.33M off of each year 3-5.

The amount that's set off is the difference between the year 1 vet min and the new contract. Or at least it was, in the old CBA. If it still is, if Dame signs for 20m, the set-off is a little under 9m.