[Shams] Myles Turner signs with the Bucks (4-year, $107 million)

[ConSarnit]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

emotionally, as a fan it would suck knowing your team is willing to just let players go purely for financial reasons.

on a basketball level, the pacers are basically at the cap in 26/27 if they waive all their cap holds. if you extend mathurin then you are over the cap that year. so the only way to add talent is via the MLE or trade 1 for multiple players. if you feel the MLE can get you a replacement for turner (not positionally but impact on the team i.e starter) then ok but it's a gamble.

The Pacers are going to find out that you cannot replace Turner for the MLE. Siakam’s game is going to suffer. All of his best seasons have come playing with a spacing C. The Pacers offense is also going to suffer as a whole. Having a floor spacing C is one of the best ways to generate high level offense. Having one that can actually defend is a rarity. Having a guy like Turner, even with his flaws, is a partial cheat code in the modern NBA. They really botched it by letting him go for what would have been a fair (and tradable) contract.

[Woodsanity]

Pacers are cooked. I know they dont want to pay the tax but that is a cheap-fair deal.

Bucks get better but not enough to be in contention. They need more.

[Woodsanity]

Pacers weren't willing to pay that?

I mean, the Hali injury can’t be overstated.

Also, the Pacers have long had interest in Ayton, I wonder if his surprise buyout made them more comfortable that they can move on from Turner for a much cheaper Ayton?

What a grave mistake it will be. Ayton isnt even half as good as Turner. He is a lazy, mental midget.

[YogurtProducer]

They don’t have to be saviors like you think with Giannis they need to hit open shots our best lineup last year was KPJ GTJ AJ Green Portis Giannis it wasn’t with Dame who was a liability on D now we add Turner to this team we went from an old team to a lot younger team.

If your best lineup has Bobby Portis as your 2nd best guy you’re not a serious team.

Your a trolling for saying that it’s the defense and shooting as a group with Giannis who is playing point forward when dame went down. Now you have Turner in portis place with portis coming off the bench Lopez was let go because he struggled in that role last year. Giannis going to have a great season next year I can see 30-12-8 next year for him.

Giannis is great - absolutely.

Giannis isn’t good enough to carry that team to contention. No one is.

[DusterBuster]

Pacers weren't willing to pay that?

I mean, the Hali injury can’t be overstated.

Also, the Pacers have long had interest in Ayton, I wonder if his surprise buyout made them more comfortable that they can move on from Turner for a much cheaper Ayton?

What a grave mistake it will be. Ayton isnt even half as good as Turner. He is a lazy, mental midget.

"Grave mistake" is extremely over the top lol. At best if they did sign him, it would likely be to a short 1 and 1. If he's a bad fit (likely), they'll have no problem getting rid of him. He won't be ever getting another multi-year 30+ mil deal in the NBA ever.

Honestly, pretty much any team that signs him is going to sign him to that kind of short 1 and 1 for like 10 ish mil per year.

[DusterBuster]

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[Profound23]

If your best lineup has Bobby Portis as your 2nd best guy you’re not a serious team.

Your a trolling for saying that it’s the defense and shooting as a group with Giannis who is playing point forward when dame went down. Now you have Turner in portis place with portis coming off the bench Lopez was let go because he struggled in that role last year. Giannis going to have a great season next year I can see 30-12-8 next year for him.

Giannis is great - absolutely.

Giannis isn’t good enough to carry that team to contention. No one is.

So is it safe to say IF Giannis carries the Bucks to the ECF or better that he is the best player in the game?

[Chuck Everett]

Your a trolling for saying that it’s the defense and shooting as a group with Giannis who is playing point forward when dame went down. Now you have Turner in portis place with portis coming off the bench Lopez was let go because he struggled in that role last year. Giannis going to have a great season next year I can see 30-12-8 next year for him.

Giannis is great - absolutely.

Giannis isn’t good enough to carry that team to contention. No one is.

So is it safe to say IF Giannis carries the Bucks to the ECF or better that he is the best player in the game?

Yes. If he takes them to the ECF would be arguably the best carry job of all-time.

[Woodsanity]

Your a trolling for saying that it’s the defense and shooting as a group with Giannis who is playing point forward when dame went down. Now you have Turner in portis place with portis coming off the bench Lopez was let go because he struggled in that role last year. Giannis going to have a great season next year I can see 30-12-8 next year for him.

Giannis is great - absolutely.

Giannis isn’t good enough to carry that team to contention. No one is.

So is it safe to say IF Giannis carries the Bucks to the ECF or better that he is the best player in the game?

If he makes the Finals sure. ECF is possible since Indy and Boston are a lot worse now.

[YogurtProducer]

Giannis is great - absolutely.

Giannis isn’t good enough to carry that team to contention. No one is.

So is it safe to say IF Giannis carries the Bucks to the ECF or better that he is the best player in the game?

Yes. If he takes them to the ECF would be arguably the best carry job of all-time.

LBJ first stint with the Cavs would be close to.

Most teams whose second best guy is Myles Turner, and third is… Kevin Porter Jr? Is a candidate for the #1 pick. If they make the finals then yeah, give Giannis the MVP and throw him in the GOAT convo lol

[Kawaii Leonard]

Myles Turner is still very good. I'll say it - Casuals who just look at #'s drastically underrate his impact. Even when he's not scoring he is still so valuable and was super valuable to the Pacers in the Finals - Strong shot blocker, floor spacer, high basketball IQ. Those things are hard to find and those things make him impactful even when he's missing shots. He made life so much easier for everyone else on the Pacers offensively. When Bradley or a non-floor spacer was in the Pacers offense was much worse.

Pacers have just had a disaster last week & a half.

Turner having high basketball IQ is a bit of a stretch.

Caitlyn Cooper, the Indiana Pacers analyst, actually broke this down. Typically Myles Turner has a fairly easy shot diet of open C&S 3s because a lot NBA teams play drop coverage on ballscreens in the regular season, so when he pops he's open. But for ex, both NY and OKC keyed in on this as an "easy possession" that they couldn't allow so they made him a focal point defensively, and always sent a contest to every single shot, challenging him to be a willing passer at the top of the 3pt line—which he isn't. It was something like 60% of his shot attempts were contested which was way above his regular season average. Teams were forcing him to put the ball on the floor, make passes, and make decisions he can’t and as a result, his shot selection was horrible. So no he doesn’t have the iq.

The perfect big is good defensively (rebounding + rim protection), and offensively needs to be deadly out of ballscreen in pops (shooting), short rolls (passing), and full rolls (lobs and finishes). If you're lacking in any of these areas you're exploitable in some way. It just so happens Turner is lacking in a number of them.

If Turner had even 2 good games, Pacers would have won. His D was good but he was a total no show (and visibly shook) on offense. Pacers should be glad they dealt him given their circumstances w Hali out (development season).

Also I see a lot of these “east is wide open now” posts in here. Yes the Celtics and Pacers are done for this upcoming season, but the Bucks have zero chance vs the Cavs and Knicks. The Magic and Hawks too are now far deeper and better constructed. Just take one look at the Bucks’ guard rotation. They still need a Dame replacement, and however much he regressed, he was their ceiling raiser and playoff closer. No player on this roster has it in them to do what Dame was doing before his dvt. In the season tourney, he avgd 27/8/4 on 45/38/91 splits.

[Hoop Hunter]

Anything that weakens the Pacers, I'm cool with. Man got absolutely paid by a division rival.

I respect the hate. Same, same.

[Sixers in 4]

Pacers are cooked. I know they dont want to pay the tax but that is a cheap-fair deal.

Bucks get better but not enough to be in contention. They need more.

This where I am at too if this move was made in a vacuum without the other insanity of buying out Dame it would be a solid move on a decent contract.

Myles Turner is another level than Naz Reid and just got the same contract essentially.

However you can't do that. I do think the Bucks created an asset by doing that was it worth spending 100M? No but that Turner contract is movable if/when Giannis later demands out

[Ayt]

Best case: one year suffer.
Worst case: 2 yeears suffer.

How to kill decade: stretch him for 5 years, use money to sign archetype of player you had last year ( and year prior) where you lost in first round. Have no pick and still have delusional faith that Giannis + G league roster will carry you anywhere.

Bucks have no objective path toward compeating for title. They just continue to dig themself deeper into hole.

In words of person way smarter than me "The wise man is he who knows when and how to stop” . Victor Hugo.

Comparing Lopez with Turner at this point is highly disingenuous. The numbers defensively and offensively are on totally different levels

I said same archetype, didn't compare them. But they do same stuff. Turner is younger and better today. But Lopez had great playoffs last year and Bucks still lost in first round. Ditto to year prior ( when you guys even had Jrue and Middelton ).

Turner is very good player ( literally wrote this earlier today on GB )- but in context of Bucks, he simply can't move the needle to make difference that is required to uplift Bucks team due how much of a mess rest of Bucks roster is.

I wish Bucks and every other team best, it's just my personal opinion that all those moves are just prolonging inevitable rebuild.

Lopez was unplayable in the playoffs last year because of his complete lack of mobility defensively. Turner meanwhile has enough mobility and defensive ability to be a switchable 5.

[Sixers in 4]

Comparing Lopez with Turner at this point is highly disingenuous. The numbers defensively and offensively are on totally different levels

I said same archetype, didn't compare them. But they do same stuff. Turner is younger and better today. But Lopez had great playoffs last year and Bucks still lost in first round. Ditto to year prior ( when you guys even had Jrue and Middelton ).

Turner is very good player ( literally wrote this earlier today on GB )- but in context of Bucks, he simply can't move the needle to make difference that is required to uplift Bucks team due how much of a mess rest of Bucks roster is.

I wish Bucks and every other team best, it's just my personal opinion that all those moves are just prolonging inevitable rebuild.

Lopez was unplayable in the playoffs last year because of his complete lack of mobility defensively. Turner
meanwhile has enough mobility and defensive ability to be a switchable 5.

The Bucks, however, lost Dame in addition to Lopez. With KPJ as your top scoring guard or small forward, how will that lineup score?

The Bucks substituted an 11 FGA and 16 PPG player for the 31.1 shots and 43 points per game lost with extremely efficient scoring. This thread is filled with a great deal of delusion. Show me the last team that advanced in the postseason despite having a guard and a small forward as bad as the Bucks.

That FO better have a miracle to pull out of it's hat because a lineup of

PG: KPJ
SG: Trent Jr
SF: AJ Green
PF: Giannis
C: Turner

That is god awful.

[GiannisAnte34]

I said same archetype, didn't compare them. But they do same stuff. Turner is younger and better today. But Lopez had great playoffs last year and Bucks still lost in first round. Ditto to year prior ( when you guys even had Jrue and Middelton ).

Turner is very good player ( literally wrote this earlier today on GB )- but in context of Bucks, he simply can't move the needle to make difference that is required to uplift Bucks team due how much of a mess rest of Bucks roster is.

I wish Bucks and every other team best, it's just my personal opinion that all those moves are just prolonging inevitable rebuild.

Lopez was unplayable in the playoffs last year because of his complete lack of mobility defensively. Turner
meanwhile has enough mobility and defensive ability to be a switchable 5.

The Bucks, however, lost Dame in addition to Lopez. With KPJ as your top scoring guard or small forward, how will that lineup score?

The Bucks substituted an 11 FGA and 16 PPG player for the 31.1 shots and 43 points per game lost with extremely efficient scoring. This thread is filled with a great deal of delusion. Show me the last team that advanced in the postseason despite having a guard and a small forward as bad as the Bucks.

That FO better have a miracle to pull out of it's hat because a lineup of

PG: KPJ
SG: Trent Jr
SF: AJ Green
PF: Giannis
C: Turner

That is god awful.

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Lopez was unplayable in the playoffs last year because of his complete lack of mobility defensively. Turner
meanwhile has enough mobility and defensive ability to be a switchable 5.

The Bucks, however, lost Dame in addition to Lopez. With KPJ as your top scoring guard or small forward, how will that lineup score?

The Bucks substituted an 11 FGA and 16 PPG player for the 31.1 shots and 43 points per game lost with extremely efficient scoring. This thread is filled with a great deal of delusion. Show me the last team that advanced in the postseason despite having a guard and a small forward as bad as the Bucks.

That FO better have a miracle to pull out of it's hat because a lineup of

PG: KPJ
SG: Trent Jr
SF: AJ Green
PF: Giannis
C: Turner

That is god awful.

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

You mean amazing results in comparison with other lineups the bucks put on the court ?

Listen, I hope the Turner signing works out for Milwaukee, i can respect them mortgaging their future over and over and over to keep Giannis happy- I mean it. It’s actually the opposite of what the pacers did.

That being said, I do not think this is enough. If Chris Paul and Al Hortford took minimum deals to go there I’d say at least they have some depth. As it stands, Kevin Porter and Gary Trent will not get it done. Love Bobby Portis, but the Bucks have two massive holes on their roster ( no true point guard. No defensive 3 and d guys).

Giannis / turner / portis / Kuzma

Is that a top 5 core 4 in the east on opening night (injuries included)?

[Kawaii Leonard]

The Bucks, however, lost Dame in addition to Lopez. With KPJ as your top scoring guard or small forward, how will that lineup score?

The Bucks substituted an 11 FGA and 16 PPG player for the 31.1 shots and 43 points per game lost with extremely efficient scoring. This thread is filled with a great deal of delusion. Show me the last team that advanced in the postseason despite having a guard and a small forward as bad as the Bucks.

That FO better have a miracle to pull out of it's hat because a lineup of

PG: KPJ
SG: Trent Jr
SF: AJ Green
PF: Giannis
C: Turner

That is god awful.

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

You mean amazing results in comparison with other lineups the bucks put on the court ?

Listen, I hope the Turner signing works out for Milwaukee, i can respect them mortgaging their future over and over and over to keep Giannis happy- I mean it. It’s actually the opposite of what the pacers did.

That being said, I do not think this is enough. If Chris Paul and Al Hortford took minimum deals to go there I’d say at least they have some depth. As it stands, Kevin Porter and Gary Trent will not get it done. Love Bobby Portis, but the Bucks have two massive holes on their roster ( no true point guard. No defensive 3 and d guys).

Giannis / turner / portis / Kuzma

Is that a top 5 core 4 in the east on opening night (injuries included)?

He’s beyond deluded, and I don’t think there’s any way getting through to him with something so glaring and obvious. Any criticism of this Bucks core will have him lashing out at your franchise instead as some kind of defence mechanism. Tread with caution

[Sixers in 4]

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

You mean amazing results in comparison with other lineups the bucks put on the court ?

Listen, I hope the Turner signing works out for Milwaukee, i can respect them mortgaging their future over and over and over to keep Giannis happy- I mean it. It’s actually the opposite of what the pacers did.

That being said, I do not think this is enough. If Chris Paul and Al Hortford took minimum deals to go there I’d say at least they have some depth. As it stands, Kevin Porter and Gary Trent will not get it done. Love Bobby Portis, but the Bucks have two massive holes on their roster ( no true point guard. No defensive 3 and d guys).

Giannis / turner / portis / Kuzma

Is that a top 5 core 4 in the east on opening night (injuries included)?

He’s beyond deluded, and I don’t think there’s any way getting through to him with something so glaring and obvious. Any criticism of this Bucks core will have him lashing out at your franchise instead as some kind of defence mechanism. Tread with caution

Like you can't just wish away Dames impact and gravity and your lack of a shot creating guard play but you are right the only thing that will change these peoples opinions is once the games start and reality hits them like a ton of bricks.

And Giannis is going to be focused on and keyed on by defenses even more than before.

[AussieBuck]

Whole bunch of experts here super keen to show how little they know about the Bucks.