Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[ShootingtheJ]

Is that even a thing? I thought the stretch is what it is regardless of what another team signs him for.

It's a thing on all non-buyout waivers and some buyouts.

This is really interesting. Am I overthinking it to think that the only way it would matter to Dame is if he gets more than what the Bucks owe him? For instance, if he signed for 2/100 would the Bucks be off the hook or am I misunderstanding?

Edit: I should have kept reading. You guys went over this. My bad.

I'm not expecting much, but I'll take whatever we get.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'd like to replace all 3 of our 2 way contracts, with Trey Alexander, Jalen Hood-Schafino, and Domonic Barlow. All 3 were really good in the G League last year.

[tedbrogen]

Listened to the whole Simmons pod. Good lord does he have Bucks derangement syndrome. He’s trashing the Bucks while implying that the “Pacers got rid of” Turner. Then he goes into how bigs all decline at age 30. Finally tops it off wondering if Indy was playing 4-D chess by screwing the Bucks salary cap for five years.

Then his little employee buddy Rob Mahoney feels like kissing up to his boss, so he starts talking about how this now allows Indy to find a BETTER CENTER, who can do more things. Yeah. I’m sure prime Wemby will be available in two years.

lol, I wish someone would have asked them name centers that do more stuff than Turner and have two healthy knees, because it’s like Wemby, Jokic, and that’s the list.

[Prez]

I'm reasonably confident that the KPJ/Green/GTJ/Giannis/Turner lineup will be like a +10-15 net rating lineup or possibly even better. If Doc somehow miraculously gets his head out of his ass and starts and leans into that lineup we're going to be noticeably better than what these dumb **** national media guys think. Now if Doc does Doc things and it's the Prince/Kuzma show on the wings we'll be exactly as mid as they think.

[tedbrogen]

Yep, it comes down to playing the lineups that clearly worked versus forcing minutes to Ham’s boy and Kuz. Which is why trading Kuz and 31 for an actual SF solves so many issues.

[Plossum]

At the risk of being accused of being a bill simmons stan, I will give him his flowers about being onto the Dame trade being a dud when we first traded for him. He could’ve just been lucky with that take but the guy is no dope when it comes to bball matters.

[BucksFanSD]

Listened to the whole Simmons pod. Good lord does he have Bucks derangement syndrome. He’s trashing the Bucks while implying that the “Pacers got rid of” Turner. Then he goes into how bigs all decline at age 30. Finally tops it off wondering if Indy was playing 4-D chess by screwing the Bucks salary cap for five years.

Then his little employee buddy Rob Mahoney feels like kissing up to his boss, so he starts talking about how this now allows Indy to find a BETTER CENTER, who can do more things. Yeah. I’m sure prime Wemby will be available in two years.

Lol, they didn't get rid of Turner. They traded/punted their draft pick this year to open up money and offered Turner twenty-something mil per year that would put them in the luxury tax. Where is this new center for them going to come from now? I believe Turner chose the Bucks since it was probably more money. Furthermore, Indy previously had him in trade rumors a few times and they had signed Ayton to a big offer sheet a couple years back and those things probably linger on oneself to not take a team discount.

[tedbrogen]

I think Turner was also likely not happy with their initial lowballs offers so once the Bucks had the top offer, he was going to take a discount to save the Pacers’ owner some luxury tax money.

[-Jragon-]

It's not like Turner isn't extremely tradeable if Giannis leaves, which, at that point who gives a **** if they're on the hook for $22 million a year for Dame.

I have been screaming this into the void.

Yep it's true... GA refuses to sign extension and we can get plenty of 1sts for them 2 and KPJ if he becomes what several of us think he will. And obviously we won't care about the 22mil.. we'll be young and cheap for awhile.

[-Jragon-]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

Is that even a thing? I thought the stretch is what it is regardless of what another team signs him for.

It's a thing on all non-buyout waivers and some buyouts.

Interesting.. surprised this is the 1st high salary guy waived

[soxperry]

I really think we can get Scottie Barnes. He's obviously not the guy he was drafted to be. Seems more like another OG Anunoby. And that's just fine for us.

[drone3]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vyIox81-Wvo?si=26JB9kmkZSLBsEe7

[old skool]

The Bucks are gonna get some setoff from Dames next contract. Hopefully he gets a stupid deal, then we get a larger reduction in his stretched salary.

Wouldn't a team just pay him the minimum and we'd have to pay the rest? Why would another team pay more so we could pay less?

I'm not sure how that all works.

I'm thinking that if there is competition among a few teams to sign Lillard he could get offers of various dollars and years. Certainly his agent would try to create a level of bidding.

I can't imagine teams would be too excited about making a major financial commitment to an aging vet coming off achilles surgery. Likely a two year deal at a modest dollar amount with a player option year two that would allow Lillard to re-enter free agency if he over performs the contract.

Lots of conjecture there.

[humanrefutation]

I really think we can get Scottie Barnes. He's obviously not the guy he was drafted to be. Seems more like another OG Anunoby. And that's just fine for us.

Don't think that's likely this offseason. But in 2026, with more picks at our disposal and the necessity of convincing Giannis to extend, I strongly believe Horst is going to empty the cupboard, just like with Jrue and Dame, for another run. Maybe Barnes is the target.

[tedbrogen]

Simmons clearly never got over the Bucks taking out the “65 win” 2018-2019 Celtics via backdoor sweep. Outside of the occasional Giannis compliment here and there since then, he has HATED on the Bucks.

Also he clearly does not watch full Bucks games unless they face the Celtics. Can’t blame him for that, I don’t watch the Celtics unless they play the Bucks. But I’m also not being paid to talk about all the teams.

Very few of the talking heads are watching full games outside of a specific team or two. Nature of the beast and why you shouldn’t listen to their opinions.

I trust the takes on here way more than anywhere else because most on here are watching almost every game and focusing on the details. Not doing what the talking heads do and only catching highlight packages.

[slos]

I would love it if Horst makes moves to have Turner's contract declining too..

1. Giannis………..54,126
2. Turner………….28,740
3. Kuzma………….22,410
4. Portis……………13,580
5. Green…….……..2,301
6. Jackson………….2,221
7. Smith…………….1,955
-. X5 spots.........6,360
- Lillard……….…..22,516
- Micic..............0,438
- total……….……154,647

That's the best I can think to make Turner's 4/107 declining. It would be...

28,740
27,371
26,067
24,827 (PO)

But still I guess I am missing stuff. Micic' buyout can go up to 681K, Trent's cap hold might be needed to get that maximum 120% extension etc.

[paulpressey25]

At the risk of being accused of being a bill simmons stan, I will give him his flowers about being onto the Dame trade being a dud when we first traded for him. He could’ve just been lucky with that take but the guy is no dope when it comes to bball matters.

No, he’s not a dope. But as one of you guys said, he’s never forgiven the Bucks for occasionally taking out his Celtics at certain points over the last 42 years.

Again, this move by the Bucks may backfire completely, but there was zero acknowledgment that arguably Dame was going to hog 1/3rd of our payroll for the next two seasons and we’d get nothing from him.

Simmons also could have taken a victory lap on his post trade opinion of Dame, who in many ways was sort of like our Celtics version of acquiring Kyrie. A move that seemed good at the time but completely backfired.

[paulpressey25]

Lol, they didn't get rid of Turner. They traded/punted their draft pick this year to open up money and offered Turner twenty-something mil per year that would put them in the luxury tax. Where is this new center for them going to come from now? I believe Turner chose the Bucks since it was probably more money. Furthermore, Indy previously had him in trade rumors a few times and they had signed Ayton to a big offer sheet a couple years back and those things probably linger on oneself to not take a team discount.

The ONLY way this works out for Indy is if they now tank, get lucky in the lottery and end up drafting a franchise cornerstone a year from now. That’s three things in sequence that have to go right over the next year.

It’s one thing if the Bucks signed Turner to some crackpot $250 million dollar contract. But they got him arguably on a team friendly deal simply because there were few teams with cap money this summer and Indy thought they could lowball him.

[Baddy Chuck]

One of my favorite things Bill Simmons is now pushing is that the CBA is the worst thing to ever happen to pro sports. Wonder what happened in the last month that makes him think that now. Sure wasn't saying it, oh, a year ago.

[paulpressey25]

One of my favorite things Bill Simmons is now pushing is that the CBA is the worst thing to ever happen to pro sports. Wonder what happened in the last month that makes him think that now. Sure wasn't saying it, oh, a year ago.

Even though we’ve caught the brunt of it the last two years, that new CBA is a huge help to bringing some real parity to the league.

And in many ways it rewarded a great GM like Presti, who didn’t have to face some Heat, Celtics or Warriors juggernaut with a massive payroll.