Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[thebuzzardman]

define out of contention and we can wager?

Two more Achilles tears to the best players on Orlando and Cleveland and we are RIGHT there.

Haha don't even play. That energy could come back on us.

OG about due to miss 30+ games

[3toheadmelo]

How does Begley know that? Brown was just hired and we don’t know what’s up with Borrego yet. No way the starting lineup is already decided.

I hear what you’re saying, just was thinking of this tidbit:

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thank the lord. i'm not thrilled with brown but i can live with it. what i can't live with is the wrong starting lineup again.

The Knicks were trying to get Ayton. To me that’s a clear indication they don’t want to see KAT at the 5 ever again.

[thebuzzardman]

I can live with Rick and understand why keeping him would be a prerequisite but why would brown keep so many of Thibs former guys? He doesn’t have his own people that he’d want to bring on instead? Not trying to say it’s a red flag or anything but the list Begley put out there is pretty big. Then if Borrego comes too that has to be like all the assistants that teams usually have.

They should fire all the Thibs acolytes

[HarthorneWingo]

I can live with Rick and understand why keeping him would be a prerequisite but why would brown keep so many of Thibs former guys? He doesn’t have his own people that he’d want to bring on instead? Not trying to say it’s a red flag or anything but the list Begley put out there is pretty big. Then if Borrego comes too that has to be like all the assistants that teams usually have.

They should fire all the Thibs acolytes

Except Cheeks. We should keep him.

[thebuzzardman]

I can live with Rick and understand why keeping him would be a prerequisite but why would brown keep so many of Thibs former guys? He doesn’t have his own people that he’d want to bring on instead? Not trying to say it’s a red flag or anything but the list Begley put out there is pretty big. Then if Borrego comes too that has to be like all the assistants that teams usually have.

They should fire all the Thibs acolytes

Except Cheeks. We should keep him.

Why?

Clean house. Brunson too. No snitches

[Barcs]

And just like that the Knicks are out of contention.

define out of contention and we can wager?

Well for starters they won't make it back to the ECF, let alone win 50 games, but I'll wait to see the final product. You never know what the madman with his finger on the red button might do.

I just don't see any improvements to the team, thus far, only downgrades.

[HarthorneWingo]

They should fire all the Thibs acolytes

Except Cheeks. We should keep him.

Why?

Clean house. Brunson too. No snitches

I like Cheeks. I played pickup ball with at The Sporting Club in Philly. He’s a good guy.

I’d rather see Rick gone but that ain’t happening.

[Barcs]

Borrego?? How about adding Bryant and Nori to our bench

If he underperforms we can fire him after 1.5 seasons and one of them can succeed as the HC

Very underwhelming for me, if they want someone who goes to the bench deep and plays the young players Brown isn't exactly the first name that pops up

I wouldn't have fired Thibs only to hire Mike... if this is the result, I'd have kept Thibs and added Nori/ Bryant/ Borrego to the bench instead

Speaking of Thibs, the fact lottery teams wouldn't immediately fire their coaches and hire Thibs speaks volumes on how good they think of him as a hc thesedays

Actually, if you were his employer and the person paying his salary, and you saw Thibs stop listening to his assistants, take a "his way or the highway" approach and (as reports state) stop communicating with you, yeah, you probably would have fired him, too. Any good boss with an ounce of business acumen would have done so.

Unless the person who doesn't lean on his assistants, demonstrates the best company success in 25 years.. then no, you don't fire him, because whatever he is doing is working.

[knickstape4ever]

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the only assistant I'm interested in keeping would be Mark Bryant b/c he has a long history of working well with bigs

Brunson might be a necessary evil, but the rest should go. Let Mike hire his own staff

[knickstape4ever]

if there's 1 assistant I definitely don't want back, it's Darren Erman. I know Mark Jackson is a bit of a punching bag, but what Erman did, recording private conversations, was so wrong

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we don't need any snakes on the staff, esp. as a holdover

[Capn'O]

One thing this whole saga has made clear is this is not an indictment on Thibs the Coach. They just didn't like him anymore personally.

[stuporman]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments about how he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

[Context]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments how about he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

[HopelessKnick]

Borrego?? How about adding Bryant and Nori to our bench

If he underperforms we can fire him after 1.5 seasons and one of them can succeed as the HC

Very underwhelming for me, if they want someone who goes to the bench deep and plays the young players Brown isn't exactly the first name that pops up

I wouldn't have fired Thibs only to hire Mike... if this is the result, I'd have kept Thibs and added Nori/ Bryant/ Borrego to the bench instead

Speaking of Thibs, the fact lottery teams wouldn't immediately fire their coaches and hire Thibs speaks volumes on how good they think of him as a hc thesedays

Actually, if you were his employer and the person paying his salary, and you saw Thibs stop listening to his assistants, take a "his way or the highway" approach and (as reports state) stop communicating with you, yeah, you probably would have fired him, too. Any good boss with an ounce of business acumen would have done so.

Unless the person who doesn't lean on his assistants, demonstrates the best company success in 25 years.. then no, you don't fire him, because whatever he is doing is working.

Only that it actually wasn't really working. It depends on where you saw this team. When the trades happened I and many around the league saw them on par with Boston competing for a title. The start of the season was somewhat promising with the offense being real strong but that quickly faded.

Again: The team ended the final 65 games of the season (including playoffs) on a 35-30 record. They were 0-10 against the top 3. They struggled mightely against a clearly less talented Detroit squad and lost to Indiana despite having HCA. If you want to disregard all those games they got embarassed by the elite teams and all those games Brunson barely saved them from embarassing themselves against bad teams and disregard both playoff series against Detroit and Indy and just look at the fact of them making the ECF as a proof of concept for Thibs.....then yeah, the Knicks were on the right trajectory. But if you look at the Celtics series as an epic choke job in games 1 and 2 at home from Boston, then the Knicks actually didn't improve from last year.
Last year they played the same Pacers 7 games despite missing 60% of their team. This year with a full team it wasn't even particularly close after game one. Last year they beat a more talented Sixers Squad in 6 games, while this year they struggled against an inferior Detroit squad. After giving up 6FRPs, they won 1 game more than last season with a worse net rating. To anyone able to look at the Celtics series in perspective, the Knicks were not on the right trajectory. Brunson saved us 5-6 games at least. We could have easily ended up with 48ish wins this season.

[aq_ua]

One thing this whole saga has made clear is this is not an indictment on Thibs the Coach. They just didn't like him anymore personally.

Really both, isn’t it? Front office was neither satisfied with the results nor the way in which the team achieved those results and felt their input was consistently ignored. Either way, this is a critical two year window for the front office to prove their roster building philosophy was right. My big question is whether there’s one more coaching change within that window should a bigger better name become available.

[NowWHYcee7]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments how about he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

You're just fooling yourself. Listen to your gut.

He's not a good coach. He's extremely mid. We are in win now mode to not waste Jalen's prime, he is NOT the guy you get if you are going to fire a coach of Thibbs caliber, who we never should have let go in the first place without a clear plan.

25 games in we will see what it really is and lament letting Thibbs go for this garbage. We fired an elite defensive mind, and an elite identity and culture builder, who outcoached the defending champs and took us to conference finals...for who exactly? Mike F***ing Brown? Are you kidding me?

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[god shammgod]

One thing this whole saga has made clear is this is not an indictment on Thibs the Coach. They just didn't like him anymore personally.

not a great reason to fire someone

[Pr0nzingis]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments how about he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

You're just fooling yourself. Listen to your gut.

He's not a good coach. He's extremely mid. We are in win now mode to not waste Jalen's prime, he is NOT the guy you get if you are going to fire a coach of Thibbs caliber, who we never should have let go in the first place without a clear plan.

25 games in we will see what it really is and lament letting Thibbs go for this garbage. We fired an elite defensive mind, and an elite identity and culture builder, who outcoached the defending champs and took us to conference finals...for who exactly? Mike F***ing Brown? Are you kidding me?

When did thibs won anything or was even close? Thibs is a gimmick coach that will never win anything. Brown at least went to the finals and have 4 championships as an assistant.

“He sees the game like a chess board," Kerr said of Brown in 2022, per CJ Holmes of the San Francisco Chronicle. "He’s constantly sort of messing around with schemes and looking at how things might play out. He’s somebody I think is among the best in the league at trying to figure out what’s happening and figuring out the best game plan to beat a team.”

[Iron Mantis]

The same panicky folks were losing their minds after the Towns trade. KAT went on to being All-NBA, All Star, and Knicks go on to put up their best season in decades and made it to the ECF.

The team achieved on individual talent.

Now they want to take that talent and level it up into a cohesive, unified group.

Trust Leon. If he says Brown is the guy to make it happen, have to give him a chance and let's see.

Losing your mind before the team plays a game yet usually doesn't age well. Lots of takes in here will get quoted when this thread gets bumped later on.