[Shams] Myles Turner signs with the Bucks (4-year, $107 million)

[Kawaii Leonard]

Whole bunch of experts here super keen to show how little they know about the Bucks.

Or just bucks fans in denial. Doesn’t take an expert to read what’s on the wall, when there’s a giant glowing sign saying: abandon ship. Gluck with that third string back court of yours and thinking you even have a chance at contending. Ignorance is bliss though

[Packbuckman]

Whole bunch of experts here super keen to show how little they know about the Bucks.

Or just bucks fans in denial. Doesn’t take an expert to read what’s on the wall, when there’s a giant glowing sign saying: abandon ship. Gluck with that third string back court of yours and thinking you even have a chance at contending. Ignorance is bliss though

What experts the ones that keep wanting Giannis to be in a big market for years watching them talk on espn they look pissed knowing he is ain’t going anywhere now

[Kawaii Leonard]

Whole bunch of experts here super keen to show how little they know about the Bucks.

Or just bucks fans in denial. Doesn’t take an expert to read what’s on the wall, when there’s a giant glowing sign saying: abandon ship. Gluck with that third string back court of yours and thinking you even have a chance at contending. Ignorance is bliss though

What experts the ones that keep wanting Giannis to be in a big market for years watching them talk on espn they look pissed knowing he is ain’t going anywhere now

What another weird tangent from another Bucks fan. Is reading comprehension not taught in the state of Wisconsin?

[KGtabake]

Or just bucks fans in denial. Doesn’t take an expert to read what’s on the wall, when there’s a giant glowing sign saying: abandon ship. Gluck with that third string back court of yours and thinking you even have a chance at contending. Ignorance is bliss though

What experts the ones that keep wanting Giannis to be in a big market for years watching them talk on espn they look pissed knowing he is ain’t going anywhere now

What another weird tangent from another Bucks fan. Is reading comprehension not taught in the state of Wisconsin?

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

[Kawaii Leonard]

What experts the ones that keep wanting Giannis to be in a big market for years watching them talk on espn they look pissed knowing he is ain’t going anywhere now

What another weird tangent from another Bucks fan. Is reading comprehension not taught in the state of Wisconsin?

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

Constructive criticism = mocking. Especially when trying to hand some sense to the completely deluded. I apologize if the splash of water was too cold. This is a thread pertaining to the Milwaukee Bucks, right? And nothing to do with the Raptors or did I stumble into the wrong corners of the gb? Point me kindly to where I was in a high chair draped in red and purple while talking down to any Bucks fan but correcting their grandeurs of copium.

[pepe1991]

What experts the ones that keep wanting Giannis to be in a big market for years watching them talk on espn they look pissed knowing he is ain’t going anywhere now

What another weird tangent from another Bucks fan. Is reading comprehension not taught in the state of Wisconsin?

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

[Kawaii Leonard]

What another weird tangent from another Bucks fan. Is reading comprehension not taught in the state of Wisconsin?

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

This and /end thread. Good luck to Myles and the Bucks.

[AussieBuck]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

[Kawaii Leonard]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

Say it louder for nobody in the back. But, waffles are amazing. I’m especially a fan of fruit and some maple syrup on top

Also, KD and Bane say toodaloo my Aussie friend and you just had to ruin one of the greatest gb posts of all time from pepe, didn’t you, you bugger. Crikey mate

[AussieBuck]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

Say it louder for nobody in the back. But, waffles are amazing. I’m especially a fan of fruit and some maple syrup on top

Also, KD and Bane say toodaloo my Aussie friend and you just had to ruin one of the greatest gb posts of all time from pepe, didn’t you, you bugger. Crikey mate

Those were trades champ.

[KGtabake]

What another weird tangent from another Bucks fan. Is reading comprehension not taught in the state of Wisconsin?

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

[Packbuckman]

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

Very well said and that’s how the whole state feels about Giannis I got friends that hate basketball who love Giannis he is more than a basketball player to the people of Wisconsin he grew up with us and why in the world would we want him to leave especially when he is happy here raising his family. Do us basketball fans want Giannis and the bucks to win more titles sure we do we criticize the organization for stupid moves like trading for kuzma and hiring Doc but this move here signing Turner and waving Dame is a move in the right direction now play the younger players all season and see what you got.

[Froob]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

I may end up just way wrong I think, I think Myles Turner has to be ****ing awesome to make this move. Sucked in conference finals and finals.

idk man, good luck to the bucks if i’m wrong i’ll come back and admit it. I can’t get excited about what is essentially 50M a year for Myles Turner.

[kg01]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

Say it louder for nobody in the back. But, waffles are amazing. I’m especially a fan of fruit and some maple syrup on top

Also, KD and Bane say toodaloo my Aussie friend and you just had to ruin one of the greatest gb posts of all time from pepe, didn’t you, you bugger. Crikey mate

Those were trades champ.

I lol'd at the use of 'champ' here. It's so dismissive. Perfect.

Carry on ...

[Kawaii Leonard]

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

You made some decent points that anybody in the room isn’t denying. But then continue to parrot the funny stuff.

Again, pointing out that the backcourt of Porter Jr. and Trent Jr. is no way a serious contender = mocking?
Calling someone out for being in denial of this = mocking?

How long have you posted here on the gb?
Jesus, just how sensitive do you have to be to not just face what is reality, and we weren’t even being harsh about it or rubbing it in. All the while you got Bucks posters like “GiannisAnte34” lashing out on our own franchises and calling other organizations lottery merchants in defense of something so obvious. Get a grip man. We don’t care about Giannis or who he plays for. I actually want him to stay there as another small market supporter where FAs never come to. But as an objective fan of the entire league, I’m not gonna sit here and ignore dumb idiotic takes about contending with a third string back court or if a person can’t put two and two together.

Ride off in the sunset with Giannis, I’d actually love to see that. Just don’t say dumb sh*t while on that horse is all. And when someone corrects you about it, suck it up and carry on since you made your bed. Or idk, be realistic about it?

[ConSarnit]

Well to be honest it's better to be a Bucks fan these days than Raptors. No offense, they have Giannis. You don't. So i don't really understand what you're trying to do here. Mock them? Are you on a better position?

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

Im sorry, this is a BS argument. Bucks fans are using whataboutisms to try and discredit other posters opinions but we’re supposed to “leave the delicate Bucks fans alone!” There is big difference between hope and just plain lacking objectivity (which Bucks fans are doing in this thread). If they think they actually have a chance at contending with KPJ/Trent/Kuzma as their starting 1-3 they deserve to get pushed back on. Bucks fans don’t get to live in some protective bubble against criticism just because they have Giannis on their team.

[KGtabake]

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

You made some decent points that anybody in the room isn’t denying. But then continue to parrot the funny stuff.

Again, pointing out that the backcourt of Porter Jr. and Trent Jr. is no way a serious contender = mocking?
Calling someone out for being in denial of this = mocking?

How long have you posted here on the gb?
Jesus, just how sensitive do you have to be to not just face what is reality, and we weren’t even being harsh about it or rubbing it in. All the while you got Bucks posters like “GiannisAnte34” lashing out on our own franchises and calling other organizations lottery merchants in defense of something so obvious. Get a grip man. We don’t care about Giannis or who he plays for. I actually want him to stay there as another small market supporter where FAs never come to. But as an objective fan of the entire league, I’m not gonna sit here and ignore dumb idiotic takes about contending with a third string back court or if a person can’t put two and two together.

Ride off in the sunset with Giannis, I’d actually love to see that. Just don’t say dumb sh*t while on that horse is all. And when someone corrects you about it, suck it up and carry on since you made your bed. Or idk, be realistic about it?

Dude.
I'm not even a Bucks fan.
Calm down, you are going to have a heart attack.

[Kawaii Leonard]

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

You made some decent points that anybody in the room isn’t denying. But then continue to parrot the funny stuff.

Again, pointing out that the backcourt of Porter Jr. and Trent Jr. is no way a serious contender = mocking?
Calling someone out for being in denial of this = mocking?

How long have you posted here on the gb?
Jesus, just how sensitive do you have to be to not just face what is reality, and we weren’t even being harsh about it or rubbing it in. All the while you got Bucks posters like “GiannisAnte34” lashing out on our own franchises and calling other organizations lottery merchants in defense of something so obvious. Get a grip man. We don’t care about Giannis or who he plays for. I actually want him to stay there as another small market supporter where FAs never come to. But as an objective fan of the entire league, I’m not gonna sit here and ignore dumb idiotic takes about contending with a third string back court or if a person can’t put two and two together.

Ride off in the sunset with Giannis, I’d actually love to see that. Just don’t say dumb sh*t while on that horse is all. And when someone corrects you about it, suck it up and carry on since you made your bed. Or idk, be realistic about it?

Dude.
I'm not even a Bucks fan.
Calm down, you are going to have a heart attack.

I’m aware which makes this even more confusing. Pouring your heart out here over nothing to do with your own team and making the type of assumptions in your last post is even more odd.

[KGtabake]

It's such a strange argument to make.

Most people, at least in my opinion, don't go on general board and talk about other teams to trash them. If anything, it's easier to be objective toward teams you have no emotional connection about.

Like, if some Wizards fan makes objective, level headed points, should we trash him because he is "Wizards fan" ? It's crazy way of thinking to me.

As for Bucks, to me they are like car crash, ugly but can't look away, and their desire to continue to wrack any hope for future in denial that they even have present is fascinating.

People are ignorant about where Bucks are at, and what they lost.
They didn't just lost Lopez, who they replaced with probably better player today (and in future), they lost Lillard as well.

Lillard wasn't just +25 ppg player, but one of greatest gravity creators in nba. Even in off night, you had to stick one guard to him 40 feet from rim in fear he will get hot from 30.
They also lost player who was bit of underrated as playmaker. 7,1 apg, 2,8 TO is pretty solid.
LIke, estimated Plus Minus had Lillard as 9th best offensive player in nba- this year.
Despite poor defense and negative impact, he was still- top 30 player by EPM. ( had EPM near identical to Derrick White and Anthony Edwards).

In playoffs, Bucks offensive rating with Lillard was 115,9 , without him it deflated to 108,9. That's drop from 2# best to 4th worst.

When you look at Bucks current roster, it is impossible to not see how terrible they are at 3 out of 5 positions. Literally, nobody in nba, including Hornets and Wizards and Jazz, has worst guard rotation and worst SF rotation. We talk about deep bench players, replacement level talents and disposable cannon fodders being asked to play 30 min a game or even worst- start.

People here talk about Kevin Porer jr like guy is some star in making. Guy is 25. Guy started 150 games in his life. Lost 111 of them. His win rate as starter is abysmal 26%.
Deeper you dig, clearer it is why. His EPM is -1,2. That makes him 280# "best" player in nba.
Net rating in playoffs : -7,7
Net rating on Clippers where he spent majority of season : - 1,4
Net rating on Houston in 2022-23 : - 8,3

In playoffs, he had equally bad OBPM and DBPM. He is two -way- negative player most of the time.


Trent is fine, but VERY one-dimensional player and not player that can create own shots. Gary Harris is dead body. Might as well buy coffin for team transfers. Guy will sneeze in game 1 and be out until all star break.
Prine / Kuzma are so bad that i refuse to even waste fingers to write about them.

Bucks simply aren't good nor talented team. Their entire talent lays in same position. It's center. Even Giannis would be better off playing full time C due age & miles, also would be massive missmatch for majority of teams there. But Bucks have no ball handlers and other two best players are also centers.

People here talk how if Bucks go to ECF or finals he would be considered "best player" and i'm here sitting, not sure they can even win 45 games if you factor in potential injuries and how shallow roster is. Without home court advantage they aren't winning first round. Assuming they can go to playoffs in first place. Much better and more talented Bucks teams failed to pass first round of playoffs for 3 years straight. This is by far least talented Bucks team since 2016-17 roster. But that roster was at least very young and hungry. This is old, banged up, washed up roster with pretty much no talent at guard spots and G league bad SF rotation.

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

Im sorry, this is a BS argument. Bucks fans are using whataboutisms to try and discredit other posters opinions but we’re supposed to “leave the delicate Bucks fans alone!” There is big difference between hope and just plain lacking objectivity (which Bucks fans are doing in this thread). If they think they actually have a chance at contending with KPJ/Trent/Kuzma as their starting 1-3 they deserve to get pushed back on. Bucks fans don’t get to live in some protective bubble against criticism just because they have Giannis on their team.

Again. You continue to not understand.
The Bucks hold 2 picks that are going to be very valuable when the time comes.
2031 and 2032 firsts. That's probably lottery picks by then.
Kuzma is going to be an expiring next season.

If you make these 2 picks available (even with a swap) + the expiring of Kuzma you can get a pretty good player.
If you don't understand that i can't help you.
From the moment they did what they did with Dame, they're going all the way trading everything. And they have the most valuable picks now since everyone know that they're hoing to suck post 2030.
They're playing in the East. At some point people must understand that 1+1=2.

[KGtabake]

You made some decent points that anybody in the room isn’t denying. But then continue to parrot the funny stuff.

Again, pointing out that the backcourt of Porter Jr. and Trent Jr. is no way a serious contender = mocking?
Calling someone out for being in denial of this = mocking?

How long have you posted here on the gb?
Jesus, just how sensitive do you have to be to not just face what is reality, and we weren’t even being harsh about it or rubbing it in. All the while you got Bucks posters like “GiannisAnte34” lashing out on our own franchises and calling other organizations lottery merchants in defense of something so obvious. Get a grip man. We don’t care about Giannis or who he plays for. I actually want him to stay there as another small market supporter where FAs never come to. But as an objective fan of the entire league, I’m not gonna sit here and ignore dumb idiotic takes about contending with a third string back court or if a person can’t put two and two together.

Ride off in the sunset with Giannis, I’d actually love to see that. Just don’t say dumb sh*t while on that horse is all. And when someone corrects you about it, suck it up and carry on since you made your bed. Or idk, be realistic about it?

Dude.
I'm not even a Bucks fan.
Calm down, you are going to have a heart attack.

I’m aware which makes this even more confusing. Pouring your heart out here over nothing to do with your own team and making the type of assumptions in your last post is even more odd.

I like Giannis. Always been a fan. I want to see him be successful and happy.
If by success he means that he wants to stay for an entire career with them, so be it.
I would probably like his chances more in San Antonio for example but I'm not him.

Seeing the fans be hopeful and optimistic is a great thing. Even if it turns out to be in vain.
Giannis can make them dream.
Sports is about dreaming.