Cowboy King Brings Big D a Ring

[Mavrelous]

Original deal is Klay/Gafford/PJ for LeBron, but expanded to balance the rosters and fit them under the Apron, added Knecht+Thierro+eating Hardy and Martin for Lakers 29 1st

Dallas Trades:
Klay Thompson
Daniel Gafford
PJ Washington
Caleb Martin
Jaden Hardy
Lakers 29 1st back

5 players 60.8 salary

LAL trades:
LeBron James Sr
LeBron James Jr
Thiero (Their 2nd rd pick)
Dalton Knecht

4 players 60.5 salary


Dallas will have 15 man roster, that fit below the 2nd Apron.

AD/Lively/Powell
LeBron/OMax/Thierro
Cooper Flagg/Naji Marshall/Dalton Knecht
Max Christie/Dante Exum/Brandon Williams
Kyrie Irving/DLo/Bronny


Lakers will have 14 man roster with BAE to add
Ayton/Gafford/Maxi Kleber
PJ Washington/Rui Hachimura/Vanderbilt
Luka Doncic/Jake Laravia/Caleb Martin
Klay Thompson/Goodwin/Jaden Hardy/
Austin Reaves/Gabe Vincent

[daoneandonly]

For those who you used to watch wrestling liek me. This would eb the equivalent of WCW getting Bret the Hitman Hart. Looked like they made the win all move, instead it buried the company and sealed their fate. Cant depend on so many guys past the prime like this

[ACMFFL]

Huge overpay in my book, sorry but trading all of that for a 40 years old rental is insane.
Klay, Gafford, Martin, Marshall, filler is the most I'd give up, no reason to bid against ourselves and bail LAL out without being properly compensated once again.

[Mavrelous]

Just to understand the argument for overpay.
I have PJ and to lesser extent Gafford, while Klay, Martin and Hardy all negative value, the package overall is small positive, does anyone argue it is more? Or do consider LeBron a negative?

[daoneandonly]

Just to understand the argument for overpay.
I have PJ and to lesser extent Gafford, while Klay, Martin and Hardy all negative value, the package overall is small positive, does anyone argue it is more? Or do consider LeBron a negative?

The '29 pick is the one and only positve Dalals got from the Luka trade. To give that back for a 40 year old is malpractice.

[ACMFFL]

I think the Miami package (Wiggins/Rozier) is what LBJ is worth at this juncture of his career. So no PJW and no future pick.

[Mavrelous]

OP states clearly why the pick was added, Dallas mus fit 4 players under the Apron, it can be removed and minimum contracts instead of it, I don't think it's a good idea.
PJ is the Wiggins in the Mavs traded, I get not wanting LeBron, I don't agree this is an overpay.

[ACMFFL]

OP states clearly why the pick was added, Dallas mus fit 4 players under the Apron, it can be removed and minimum contracts instead of it, I don't think it's a good idea.
PJ is the Wiggins in the Mavs traded, I get not wanting LeBron, I don't agree this is an overpay.

Honestly I'd rather sign multiple vet min than wasting a 1st to turn Caleb into Knecht/Hiero.

Gafford should be the Wiggins of this package:
•Gaff/Klay/Caleb/Naji/Powell to LAL
•Hardy/Prosper/2 2nds to a third team

[Mavrelous]

OP states clearly why the pick was added, Dallas mus fit 4 players under the Apron, it can be removed and minimum contracts instead of it, I don't think it's a good idea.
PJ is the Wiggins in the Mavs traded, I get not wanting LeBron, I don't agree this is an overpay.

Honestly I'd rather sign multiple vet min than wasting a 1st to turn Caleb into Knecht/Hiero.

Gafford should be the Wiggins of this package:
•Gaff/Klay/Caleb/Naji/Powell to LAL
•Hardy/Prosper/2 2nds to a third team

No, Gafford isn't Wiggins, Lakers will need a big wing to replace LBJ, it's either PJ or Wiggins, Gafford isn't on their tier in valuation.
LeBron's playmaking solves the biggest hole on roster, Mavs are better team after the trade than before it.
I'm PJ's biggest fan on this board, but with Cooper he is much less needed.

[ACMFFL]

OP states clearly why the pick was added, Dallas mus fit 4 players under the Apron, it can be removed and minimum contracts instead of it, I don't think it's a good idea.
PJ is the Wiggins in the Mavs traded, I get not wanting LeBron, I don't agree this is an overpay.

Honestly I'd rather sign multiple vet min than wasting a 1st to turn Caleb into Knecht/Hiero.

Gafford should be the Wiggins of this package:
•Gaff/Klay/Caleb/Naji/Powell to LAL
•Hardy/Prosper/2 2nds to a third team

No, Gafford isn't Wiggins, Lakers will need a big wing to replace LBJ, it's either PJ or Wiggins, Gafford isn't on their tier in valuation.
LeBron's playmaking solves the biggest hole on roster, Mavs are better team after the trade than before it.
I'm PJ's biggest fan on this board, but with Cooper he is much less needed.

Ofc they are not the same players, but value is pretty much the same, that's my point.
They could use Caleb as their POA defender or package Martin/Marshall/pick for Herb, I don't know, but it's not Mavs problem if they need a big wing defender.

Yeah I get it and I'm open to move PJ but for the right value, if they put their 2031 1st on the table, then we could start a conversation.

The right approach is what HOU did with PHX..that's our offer for LBJ, if you don't like just go out there and find a better deal. I doubt teams are willing to give up so much value to match his huge contract, and he has a NTC, so he would pretty much dictate his next destination in that scenario and I think he has no interest in joining a depleted team.

[Mavrelous]

Honestly I'd rather sign multiple vet min than wasting a 1st to turn Caleb into Knecht/Hiero.

Gafford should be the Wiggins of this package:
•Gaff/Klay/Caleb/Naji/Powell to LAL
•Hardy/Prosper/2 2nds to a third team

No, Gafford isn't Wiggins, Lakers will need a big wing to replace LBJ, it's either PJ or Wiggins, Gafford isn't on their tier in valuation.
LeBron's playmaking solves the biggest hole on roster, Mavs are better team after the trade than before it.
I'm PJ's biggest fan on this board, but with Cooper he is much less needed.

Ofc they are not the same players, but value is pretty much the same, that's my point.
They could use Caleb as their POA defender or package Martin/Marshall/pick for Herb, I don't know, but it's not Mavs problem if they need a big wing defender.

Yeah I get it and I'm open to move PJ but for the right value, if they put their 2031 1st on the table, then we could start a conversation.

The right approach if what HOU did with PHX..that's our offer for LBJ, if you don't like just go out there and find a better deal. I doubt teams are willing to give up so much value to match his huge contract, and he has a NTC, so he would pretty much dictate his next destination in that scenario and I think he has no interest in joining a depleted team.

LAL is nowhere near as desperate as the Suns, teams need to give up value, just not all NBA level value, and Lakers don't have to take any offer.
I have Klay/Gafford/expiring PJ roughly equal to Wiggins, but Mavs are much better team after the trade than the Heat which would entice LeBron.
OTOH I doubt he's interested in AD reunion, but it's just a thought excercise.

[ACMFFL]

No, Gafford isn't Wiggins, Lakers will need a big wing to replace LBJ, it's either PJ or Wiggins, Gafford isn't on their tier in valuation.
LeBron's playmaking solves the biggest hole on roster, Mavs are better team after the trade than before it.
I'm PJ's biggest fan on this board, but with Cooper he is much less needed.

Ofc they are not the same players, but value is pretty much the same, that's my point.
They could use Caleb as their POA defender or package Martin/Marshall/pick for Herb, I don't know, but it's not Mavs problem if they need a big wing defender.

Yeah I get it and I'm open to move PJ but for the right value, if they put their 2031 1st on the table, then we could start a conversation.

The right approach if what HOU did with PHX..that's our offer for LBJ, if you don't like just go out there and find a better deal. I doubt teams are willing to give up so much value to match his huge contract, and he has a NTC, so he would pretty much dictate his next destination in that scenario and I think he has no interest in joining a depleted team.

LAL is nowhere near as desperate as the Suns, teams need to give up value, just not all NBA level value, and Lakers don't have to take any offer.
I have Klay/Gafford/expiring PJ roughly equal to Wiggins, but Mavs are much better team after the trade than the Heat which would entice LeBron.
OTOH I doubt he's interested in AD reunion, but it's just a thought excercise.

They might not be not as desperate as PHX, but imho they can't wait to move on from the LBJ experience in order to built a more fitting roster around Luka.
Honestly I don't see any team willing to give up so much value for LBJ, maybe the Knicks but that's it.
Agree to disagree on Wiggins, I think you're kinda overvaluing him, in a vacuum I wouldn't even entertain the idea of trading PJ for him tbh.

[OxAndFox]

Original deal is Klay/Gafford/PJ for LeBron, but expanded to balance the rosters and fit them under the Apron, added Knecht+Thierro+eating Hardy and Martin for Lakers 29 1st

Dallas Trades:
Klay Thompson
Daniel Gafford
PJ Washington
Caleb Martin
Jaden Hardy
Lakers 29 1st back

5 players 60.8 salary

LAL trades:
LeBron James Sr
LeBron James Jr
Thiero (Their 2nd rd pick)
Dalton Knecht

4 players 60.5 salary


Dallas will have 15 man roster, that fit below the 2nd Apron.

AD/Lively/Powell
LeBron/OMax/Thierro
Cooper Flagg/Naji Marshall/Dalton Knecht
Max Christie/Dante Exum/Brandon Williams
Kyrie Irving/DLo/Bronny


Lakers will have 14 man roster with BAE to add
Ayton/Gafford/Maxi Kleber
PJ Washington/Rui Hachimura/Vanderbilt
Luka Doncic/Jake Laravia/Caleb Martin
Klay Thompson/Goodwin/Jaden Hardy/
Austin Reaves/Gabe Vincent

Ummm. I think the Lakers guy that believes it's Cooper Flagg or nothing wants a word.

[Texas Chuck]

Saw a report this morning that Dallas interest would only be in a bought out Lebron. Which means their interest is not serious.

I think anytime you are talking about Lebron James, value goes beyond just age 40. Mavs fans can complain about an overpay, but I simply don't believe that to be the case. His value goes beyond on court. And he's still quite clearly the best player by far in the deal.

[jayjaysee]

I think OP is probably what it costs and agree with the reasoning behind it.

I think this is better than what the plan actually is. The current plan is an expensive roster that will likely be a 7th-8th seed for a couple years, watch vets leave when the team can’t afford them and then still be asset poor with Lively/Flagg?

At least LBJ gives some hope and excitement for a year or two before he retires and hopefully the team accepts trading AD at that point.