Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[kaansunman]

He is hardworking and obsessed with basketball for sure but he is good at coaching young teams. I think he can have great career in NCAA or Europe where more methodical basketball played. His success kind of proves that: made it to finals with youn LeBron and making the play-offs with Kings after twenty something years.

He will use the bench mor for sure I hope he doesn't loose the starters, it seems like it's not a good fit for this veteran team. I hope he will proof us wrong.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments about how he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

He coached LeBron for years. Never won a title with him but, that absolutely inflated his record.
He was fired to keep LeBron but that failed. He was brought back and fired a year later after injuries and losing the locker room.
His success in SAC was short lived and many contributed that teams success to the offense. Well when his AHC left Brown couldn't figure out rotations and lost the locker room. He was fired again and the team went on a decent run immediately.
In LA he went 0-8 in preseason and 1-5 to start the regular season and was fired again. Running the Princeton offense and it never took. That team sucked but, he didn't get anywhere with them either.

His resume is inflated due to having HOF/GOAT level players for most his career.
His success as an assistant really shouldn't be taken into account at all. It also inflates his record. Winning under Pop and Kerr with those HOF/GOAT STACKED teams? What did he do for those teams?

I think he has been blessed to coach the best of the best but, as a HC he hasn't really done much without them.

He has to prove he can win now. We have a really good team but, no GOAT level talent. If he can prove Jordi wasn't the key to his success in SAC then we are in good shape. It didn't work out that way though after Jordi left. He has lost multiple locker rooms and been fired 4 times and has no real success of his own to talk about.

There are plenty of reasons not to like this hire. His resume doesn't reflect his coaching IMO. His failures are more accurate because he lost the locker room more than once and lost his job more than once. That's his resume to me. That really doesn't look as good as all the fluff he gets.

[3toheadmelo]

There seems to be some goal posting going on here. Just because some of us are skeptical of Mike Brown, especially after we fired our most successful coach in 20 years that does not mean we aren’t going to give him a chance. Let’s make that clear. We absolutely will be rooting for him.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

There seems to be some goal posting going on here. Just because some of us are skeptical of Mike Brown, especially after we fired our most successful coach in 20 years that does not mean we aren’t going to give him a chance. Let’s make that clear. We absolutely will be rooting for him.

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

[cgf]

Brown is certainly disappointing, but I’ll give him a chance and see how much he’s learned from his previous failures. Thibs was a very different coach for us than he was for Minnesota or Chicago, so hopefully Brown levels up with us as well.

[dreamer3kx]

Excellent hire, Brown has had a great career, he did a fantastic job with kings, he will definitely utilize the bench.

[NowWHYcee7]

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

You're just fooling yourself. Listen to your gut.

He's not a good coach. He's extremely mid. We are in win now mode to not waste Jalen's prime, he is NOT the guy you get if you are going to fire a coach of Thibbs caliber, who we never should have let go in the first place without a clear plan.

25 games in we will see what it really is and lament letting Thibbs go for this garbage. We fired an elite defensive mind, and an elite identity and culture builder, who outcoached the defending champs and took us to conference finals...for who exactly? Mike F***ing Brown? Are you kidding me?

When did thibs won anything or was even close? Thibs is a gimmick coach that will never win anything. Brown at least went to the finals and have 4 championships as an assistant.

“He sees the game like a chess board," Kerr said of Brown in 2022, per CJ Holmes of the San Francisco Chronicle. "He’s constantly sort of messing around with schemes and looking at how things might play out. He’s somebody I think is among the best in the league at trying to figure out what’s happening and figuring out the best game plan to beat a team.”

Again, stop fooling yourself. A month ago no one would be saying Mike Brown is a better coach than Thibs. You only doing that now because of cope. I don’t wanna hear fluff quotes from his colleagues. That’s not evidence of anything. Thibs isn’t perfect, and if we were going to replace him I’d be open to it if we had had a clear plan, direction, and focus on someone at least on his level if not better. But for Mike Brown? Sorry man, no.

[Jalen Bluntson]

There seems to be some goal posting going on here. Just because some of us are skeptical of Mike Brown, especially after we fired our most successful coach in 20 years that does not mean we aren’t going to give him a chance. Let’s make that clear. We absolutely will be rooting for him.

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

If we don't run a more organized offense I will be pissed.
If we don't go 10 deep and give younger players a little bit of actual game experience during the season I will be pissed.
If we don't defend the 3pt line I will be pissed.
If we don't finish with a better record than this season I will be annoyed.
If we don't make the finals I will be pissed.

I am in a downward spiral since I started looking at Brown and his actual track record. I need to know what he does with asst coaches now. I don't trust Brown as of today to run the offense by himself. Not at all. So whoever is on his crew will be important AFAIC. Defense? That's another conversation.

Ugh. Firing Thibs for Brown just really dampened my outlook on next season. Am I overthinking it?

[god shammgod]

There seems to be some goal posting going on here. Just because some of us are skeptical of Mike Brown, especially after we fired our most successful coach in 20 years that does not mean we aren’t going to give him a chance. Let’s make that clear. We absolutely will be rooting for him.

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

If we don't run a more organized offense I will be pissed.
If we don't go 10 deep and give younger players a little bit of actual game experience during the season I will be pissed.
If we don't defend the 3pt line I will be pissed.
If we don't finish with a better record than this season I will be annoyed.
If we don't make the finals I will be pissed.

I am in a downward spiral since I started looking at Brown and his actual track record. I need to know what he does with asst coaches now. I don't trust Brown as of today to run the offense by himself. Not at all. So whoever is on his crew will be important AFAIC. Defense? That's another conversation.

Ugh. Firing Thibs for Brown just really dampened my outlook on next season. Am I overthinking it?

someone didn't realize it could be worse

[ezmoney707]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments about how he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

He coached LeBron for years. Never won a title with him but, that absolutely inflated his record.
He was fired to keep LeBron but that failed. He was brought back and fired a year later after injuries and losing the locker room.
His success in SAC was short lived and many contributed that teams success to the offense. Well when his AHC left Brown couldn't figure out rotations and lost the locker room. He was fired again and the team went on a decent run immediately.
In LA he went 0-8 in preseason and 1-5 to start the regular season and was fired again. Running the Princeton offense and it never took. That team sucked but, he didn't get anywhere with them either.

His resume is inflated due to having HOF/GOAT level players for most his career.
His success as an assistant really shouldn't be taken into account at all. It also inflates his record. Winning under Pop and Kerr with those HOF/GOAT STACKED teams? What did he do for those teams?

I think he has been blessed to coach the best of the best but, as a HC he hasn't really done much without them.

He has to prove he can win now. We have a really good team but, no GOAT level talent. If he can prove Jordi wasn't the key to his success in SAC then we are in good shape. It didn't work out that way though after Jordi left. He has lost multiple locker rooms and been fired 4 times and has no real success of his own to talk about.

There are plenty of reasons not to like this hire. His resume doesn't reflect his coaching IMO. His failures are more accurate because he lost the locker room more than once and lost his job more than once. That's his resume to me. That really doesn't look as good as all the fluff he gets.

To discount Brown’s record and call it inflated to only coaching HOF talent is disingenuous and a rewriting of history.

Before the 1st Miami title Bron struggled in big moments and taking his game to another level on his biggest stages, so to say Brown’s record is simply inflated because he coached LeBron and a super cast of role players to a winning record multiple seasons and a finals appearance when LeBron and that same roster couldn’t win previously is again disingenuous.

Every coach since Rick Adelman has flamed out in SAC, and he was the most successful coach in that franchise history in the last 16 years. How can a COY winner simply be an inflated record.

The Lakers situation is only real stain where he really struggled to get everyone to buy in, but that was a tough situation he was thrown into and was setup to fail with the ill fitting piece the organization was throwing at the wall to try and work. Still the previous season had a winning record.

If you want to nitpick and scrutinize his Xs and Os and in game adjustment history by all means fine (I would probably agree with you on most of those missteps and gaps), but to dump on his coaching record is not the way to go.

[3toheadmelo]

There seems to be some goal posting going on here. Just because some of us are skeptical of Mike Brown, especially after we fired our most successful coach in 20 years that does not mean we aren’t going to give him a chance. Let’s make that clear. We absolutely will be rooting for him.

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

If we don't run a more organized offense I will be pissed.
If we don't go 10 deep and give younger players a little bit of actual game experience during the season I will be pissed.
If we don't defend the 3pt line I will be pissed.
If we don't finish with a better record than this season I will be annoyed.
If we don't make the finals I will be pissed.

I am in a downward spiral since I started looking at Brown and his actual track record. I need to know what he does with asst coaches now. I don't trust Brown as of today to run the offense by himself. Not at all. So whoever is on his crew will be important AFAIC. Defense? That's another conversation.

Ugh. Firing Thibs for Brown just really dampened my outlook on next season. Am I overthinking it?

No you aren’t overthinking it I know you didn’t like Thibs but this is why some of us didn’t want to fire Thibs. The risk of hiring a worse coach was very possible and that’s exactly what happened. So it is what it is now.

[Pr0nzingis]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments about how he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

He coached LeBron for years. Never won a title with him but, that absolutely inflated his record.
He was fired to keep LeBron but that failed. He was brought back and fired a year later after injuries and losing the locker room.
His success in SAC was short lived and many contributed that teams success to the offense. Well when his AHC left Brown couldn't figure out rotations and lost the locker room. He was fired again and the team went on a decent run immediately.
In LA he went 0-8 in preseason and 1-5 to start the regular season and was fired again. Running the Princeton offense and it never took. That team sucked but, he didn't get anywhere with them either.

His resume is inflated due to having HOF/GOAT level players for most his career.
His success as an assistant really shouldn't be taken into account at all. It also inflates his record. Winning under Pop and Kerr with those HOF/GOAT STACKED teams? What did he do for those teams?

I think he has been blessed to coach the best of the best but, as a HC he hasn't really done much without them.

He has to prove he can win now. We have a really good team but, no GOAT level talent. If he can prove Jordi wasn't the key to his success in SAC then we are in good shape. It didn't work out that way though after Jordi left. He has lost multiple locker rooms and been fired 4 times and has no real success of his own to talk about.

There are plenty of reasons not to like this hire. His resume doesn't reflect his coaching IMO. His failures are more accurate because he lost the locker room more than once and lost his job more than once. That's his resume to me. That really doesn't look as good as all the fluff he gets.

Whats thibs resume without Rose and Brunson? Let me google it real quick... "Tom Thibodeau has a 63% win percentage when he has Derrick Rose on the roster. Without Rose, Thibs has a 46% win percentage."

Really? well thats it than, using the same logic Thibs is absolute garbage. Thanks for the argument. Lets move on.

[G_K_F]

So it’s Mike Brown with the same exact coaching staff?

Brilliant!

[MrDollarBills]

Watch on YouTube

Reposting this again because it cracks me up. Karl is gonna need to get right that's all I'm gonna say. All those stupid fouls and freelancing on D will not be tolerated

[MrDollarBills]

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

If we don't run a more organized offense I will be pissed.
If we don't go 10 deep and give younger players a little bit of actual game experience during the season I will be pissed.
If we don't defend the 3pt line I will be pissed.
If we don't finish with a better record than this season I will be annoyed.
If we don't make the finals I will be pissed.

I am in a downward spiral since I started looking at Brown and his actual track record. I need to know what he does with asst coaches now. I don't trust Brown as of today to run the offense by himself. Not at all. So whoever is on his crew will be important AFAIC. Defense? That's another conversation.

Ugh. Firing Thibs for Brown just really dampened my outlook on next season. Am I overthinking it?

No you aren’t overthinking it I know you didn’t like Thibs but this is why some of us didn’t want to fire Thibs. The risk of hiring a worse coach was very possible and that’s exactly what happened. So it is what it is now.

What makes Mike worse than Tom? Mike has a better winning percentage, has coached a team to the Finals and has a winning record for all 3 of his head coaching jobs. Tom, for as good as he has been for this franchise, can't say that.

I'm not arguing about who is better as a coach, I'm just curious as to why people are saying Brown is a downgrade from Tom.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

If we don't run a more organized offense I will be pissed.
If we don't go 10 deep and give younger players a little bit of actual game experience during the season I will be pissed.
If we don't defend the 3pt line I will be pissed.
If we don't finish with a better record than this season I will be annoyed.
If we don't make the finals I will be pissed.

I am in a downward spiral since I started looking at Brown and his actual track record. I need to know what he does with asst coaches now. I don't trust Brown as of today to run the offense by himself. Not at all. So whoever is on his crew will be important AFAIC. Defense? That's another conversation.

Ugh. Firing Thibs for Brown just really dampened my outlook on next season. Am I overthinking it?

someone didn't realize it could be worse

Not true at all. I knew it was careful what you wish for. I am on record saying as much. I just don't feel good about this hire right now. I think the keeping Thibs assistants talk isn't helping. I think I'm just more nervous than upset honestly.

Brown turned around SAC with a good coaching crew but, when he lost his AHC he immediately stumbled. Lost the locker room and was fired. So right now I think I need to calm down and let the dust settle.

I would have preferred and been excited if they went with Borrego/Nori. I wasn't a Jenkins fan either. Brown seemed more accomplished but, scratch the surface of the fluffy resumé and it isn't as shiny as it looks IMO.

[DOT]

I don't know how you're gonna argue that Brown's record and playoff performances don't count because he had LeBron in Cleveland but not also mention that this year was only the 2nd time Thibs made it out of the 2nd round, 1st being the year he had an MVP on his team, and this year we had 2 All-NBA players

Either roster talent matters for everybody equally, or it matters for nobody

Even if we take out his time in Cleveland with LeBron, and his time in LA with Kobe, he still has an overall winning record as a coach

I wouldn't call him a great coach, but he's certainly not a bad coach.

[F N 11]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments how about he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If he just goes deeper to the bench in his rotations I'll be happy.

If we don't run a more organized offense I will be pissed.
If we don't go 10 deep and give younger players a little bit of actual game experience during the season I will be pissed.
If we don't defend the 3pt line I will be pissed.
If we don't finish with a better record than this season I will be annoyed.
If we don't make the finals I will be pissed.

I am in a downward spiral since I started looking at Brown and his actual track record. I need to know what he does with asst coaches now. I don't trust Brown as of today to run the offense by himself. Not at all. So whoever is on his crew will be important AFAIC. Defense? That's another conversation.

Ugh. Firing Thibs for Brown just really dampened my outlook on next season. Am I overthinking it?

No you aren’t overthinking it I know you didn’t like Thibs but this is why some of us didn’t want to fire Thibs. The risk of hiring a worse coach was very possible and that’s exactly what happened. So it is what it is now.

I don't know that Mike is worse. I didn't hate Thibs but, his approach I loathed. I just don't buy the fluffy resumé talk. I don't think he's really an improvement as a coach but, I don't know what his coaching staff will be either.

If there is a logical approach with some analytics involved it will be an upgrade. If there's a more structured offense that looks to get everyone involved where they thrive it will be an upgrade. If they play at least 9 guys and sprinkle in some young guys it will be an upgrade. There's plenty of things to do that would not take a genius HC to figure out.

I will wait and see. I think I just talked myself off the ledge here.

[Pr0nzingis]

You're just fooling yourself. Listen to your gut.

He's not a good coach. He's extremely mid. We are in win now mode to not waste Jalen's prime, he is NOT the guy you get if you are going to fire a coach of Thibbs caliber, who we never should have let go in the first place without a clear plan.

25 games in we will see what it really is and lament letting Thibbs go for this garbage. We fired an elite defensive mind, and an elite identity and culture builder, who outcoached the defending champs and took us to conference finals...for who exactly? Mike F***ing Brown? Are you kidding me?

When did thibs won anything or was even close? Thibs is a gimmick coach that will never win anything. Brown at least went to the finals and have 4 championships as an assistant.

“He sees the game like a chess board," Kerr said of Brown in 2022, per CJ Holmes of the San Francisco Chronicle. "He’s constantly sort of messing around with schemes and looking at how things might play out. He’s somebody I think is among the best in the league at trying to figure out what’s happening and figuring out the best game plan to beat a team.”

Again, stop fooling yourself. A month ago no one would be saying Mike Brown is a better coach than Thibs. You only doing that now because of cope. I don’t wanna hear fluff quotes from his colleagues. That’s not evidence of anything. Thibs isn’t perfect, and if we were going to replace him I’d be open to it if we had had a clear plan, direction, and focus on someone at least on his level if not better. But for Mike Brown? Sorry man, no.

Amazing... better resume more accomplishments than Thibs doesn't matter, colleague praise doesn't matter, they are omniscient able to read minds and know what people thought a month ago but the delusionals it's the knicks FO and everyone that was tired of the guy that gave 13 minutes to the bench agaist the Pistons, rode Brunson to exhaustion and finally decided to play the bench down 0-2 losing by 20 in the third game.

Whats thibs resume without Rose and Brunson? Let me google it real quick... "Tom Thibodeau has a 63% win percentage when he has Derrick Rose on the roster. Without Rose, Thibs has a 46% win percentage."

Really? well thats it than, using the same logic Thibs is absolute garbage. Thanks for the argument. Lets move on.

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