Please don't trade this man..he'll be lethal in our 3 pt heavy system, he'll thrive with the spacing he'll have here..and he'll thrive as a 3rd/4th option rather than being the 1st/2nd option in Portland:
He's got the potential to possibly make an all-star team as a Celtic. Just turned 26..still getting better.
Not saying he can't be a good 3rd or 4th option, but not sure any of these plays show that. These are all first option type of plays. Running screens for him and ISOs.
As a 3rd or 4th option you're not going to have the ball to start plays as much. Can he run off defenders properly with off ball with cuts and relocating behind the 3 point line? Can he maintain his rhythm if he goes multiple possessions without the ball? Can he play better defense, because the lower down the offensive priority list you go the less tolerable it is for you to be a negative on defense - you expect them to be additive to your defense ideally.
BillessuR6 wrote:Simons to WAS for Holmes+OIynyk+2nd rounder
Holmes contract is only 250.000 USD guaranteed, so we can shed 12 mio... But this could go through end of August only since Olynyk was just traded and he can not be in a multiplayer deal...
Why are the Wizards taking on extra money and shots away from their young developmental guys? They absolutely 100% say no to giving a 2nd round pick here. If we gave them a 2nd or two they'd take on the money maybe.
Also: the loophole of waiving a guy after trade is gone. If he's used for salary matching his deal needs to be guaranteed.
Celts17Pride wrote:Simons to Chicago for Dosunmu and Collins. Simons and Davison to Kings for Monk and D Carter
Don't see a huge market for Simons.
Simons to Dallas for Klay and a 3rd team eating Naji Marshall in a TPE for free?
I hope Stevens calls Joe Dumars and Nico breakfast lunch and dinner just to check in if they want to do something stupid that day.
Naji should be KEPT in this case.
I still think that a Gafford/Naji swap for Simons makes sense in all directions personally. Sheds another 4.2 Million in payroll for the Celtics and adds 2 starters to the team. Still need a starting PF, but you can make it work with starting one of Sheierman, Hugo or Hauser and slide Naji to the starting PF spot.
BillessuR6 wrote:Simons to WAS for Holmes+OIynyk+2nd rounder
Holmes contract is only 250.000 USD guaranteed, so we can shed 12 mio... But this could go through end of August only since Olynyk was just traded and he can not be in a multiplayer deal...
Why are the Wizards taking on extra money and shots away from their young developmental guys? They absolutely 100% say no to giving a 2nd round pick here. If we gave them a 2nd or two they'd take on the money maybe.
Also: the loophole of waiving a guy after trade is gone. If he's used for salary matching his deal needs to be guaranteed.
OK, did not know that... then this makes no sense...
Celts17Pride wrote:Simons to Chicago for Dosunmu and Collins. Simons and Davison to Kings for Monk and D Carter
Don't see a huge market for Simons.
Simons to Dallas for Klay and a 3rd team eating Naji Marshall in a TPE for free?
I hope Stevens calls Joe Dumars and Nico breakfast lunch and dinner just to check in if they want to do something stupid that day.
Naji should be KEPT in this case.
I still think that a Gafford/Naji swap for Simons makes sense in all directions personally. Sheds another 4.2 Million in payroll for the Celtics and adds 2 starters to the team. Still need a starting PF, but you can make it work with starting one of Sheierman, Hugo or Hauser and slide Naji to the starting PF spot.
Gafford and Marshall both have higher value than Simons. How many picks are you sending to bridge that gap, if DAL is even willing to make a seller trade like that?
Maybe I'm just looking through green colored glasses, but maybe Horford is waiting on Brad to do something financially or competitively that makes him want to stay in Boston.
Please don't trade this man..he'll be lethal in our 3 pt heavy system, he'll thrive with the spacing he'll have here..and he'll thrive as a 3rd/4th option rather than being the 1st/2nd option in Portland:
He's got the potential to possibly make an all-star team as a Celtic. Just turned 26..still getting better.
Not saying he can't be a good 3rd or 4th option, but not sure any of these plays show that. These are all first option type of plays. Running screens for him and ISOs.
As a 3rd or 4th option you're not going to have the ball to start plays as much. Can he run off defenders properly with off ball with cuts and relocating behind the 3 point line? Can he maintain his rhythm if he goes multiple possessions without the ball? Can he play better defense, because the lower down the offensive priority list you go the less tolerable it is for you to be a negative on defense - you expect them to be additive to your defense ideally.
Ideally your 3rd/4th options can create their own shot. KP was the 3rd option here. We gave him the ball a lot in low post, mid post situations, we would give him the ball at the elbows and let him go to work in iso situations.
This is the era of multiple ball handlers, multiple shot creators. This is no longer an NBA where you only have 2 shot creators and everyone else just stands in the corner waiting for a catch and shoot 3 (or cuts or goes for a lob). Your team becomes much harder to defend if you have 3+ guys who can create their own shot, who can break down a defense, who can handle the basketball, initiate actions, bring the ball up the floor, etc.
When we have struggled offensively in recent years it's when our offense gets too stagnant, when we rely too heavily on the Jays..when opposing defenses know they only have 2 guys (the Jays) to focus on so they load up all 5 of their defenders to stop the Jays..they bring all kinds of help defenders so that the Jays have no driving lanes, because opposing teams know we don't have anyone else who can do anything with the ball in their hands - until now.
Opposing teams double team Tatum. They play physical with Brown. They deny them the ball. Especially in crunch time situations or when it's the 4th quarter and a close game. The gameplan against is to make the other guys beat you. Because opposing teams don't respect our other guys...now they'll have to so it'll make things much easier for the Jays.
I've seen it time and time again. Especially in games (or stretches of games) with KP out of lineup. Opposing defense keys on the Jays, deny them the ball, double team them, bring help defenders at them, etc. And then we've got Pritchard or D-white struggling to create anything, and then just jacking up some tough 3 pointer that isn't even close to going in at the end of the shot clock - yuck.
Nembhard's highlights probably look fairly similar to Simons' highlights. Except Simons is quicker, more explosive. And a better outside shooter. Nembhard has better handles, is more crafty with the ball.
Where would the pacers be if they didn't have Nembhard? Imagine if they thought you only needed 2 guys who could create their own shot..imagine if they relied on just Hali and Siakam to do it all.
Sure, Nembhard is a better defender but Nembhard also played college ball at Gonzaga where they emphasize defense. And he's on a Pacers team with a winning culture and a very good coach (Carlisle) who emphasizes defense. Simons didn't play college ball and has not yet been on a real NBA team with real coaching yet. Now that he's in Boston, it shouldn't be a surprise if he plays better D, especially since he's so quick and has a 6'9" wingspan. Plus he'll have a lesser role on offense so therefore will be able to exert more energy on D.
Miami over the past few years has played lineups where all 5 guys on the floor can attack off the bounce and create their own shot. Makes them much tougher to defend..
Plus it's just not sustainable or ideal to rely so heavily on just 1 or 2 guys to do all of the shot creation for an entire team over the course of an 82 game season + 4 rounds of playoffs. Maybe if they weren't relied upon so heavily to do so much offensively all season long for their teams and their teams had more guys to take that offensive pressure off them, Hali, Tatum and Dame wouldn't have torn their achilles.
1/11/24 The birth of a new Hal. From now on being less combative, avoiding confrontation - like Switzerland
cl2117 wrote:Simons to Dallas for Klay and a 3rd team eating Naji Marshall in a TPE for free?
I hope Stevens calls Joe Dumars and Nico breakfast lunch and dinner just to check in if they want to do something stupid that day.
Naji should be KEPT in this case.
I still think that a Gafford/Naji swap for Simons makes sense in all directions personally. Sheds another 4.2 Million in payroll for the Celtics and adds 2 starters to the team. Still need a starting PF, but you can make it work with starting one of Sheierman, Hugo or Hauser and slide Naji to the starting PF spot.
If you don't keep Naji you can duck the tax this season. I think you can keep him but you've got to get rid of Hauser or Niang plus a lot of back-end of the roster, neither of which are worthwhile.
Keep Klay, hopefully flip him in the future, but in the interim he helps you duck the tax and is actually a decent fit.
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
Please don't trade this man..he'll be lethal in our 3 pt heavy system, he'll thrive with the spacing he'll have here..and he'll thrive as a 3rd/4th option rather than being the 1st/2nd option in Portland:
He's got the potential to possibly make an all-star team as a Celtic. Just turned 26..still getting better.
Not saying he can't be a good 3rd or 4th option, but not sure any of these plays show that. These are all first option type of plays. Running screens for him and ISOs.
As a 3rd or 4th option you're not going to have the ball to start plays as much. Can he run off defenders properly with off ball with cuts and relocating behind the 3 point line? Can he maintain his rhythm if he goes multiple possessions without the ball? Can he play better defense, because the lower down the offensive priority list you go the less tolerable it is for you to be a negative on defense - you expect them to be additive to your defense ideally.
Please don't trade this man..he'll be lethal in our 3 pt heavy system, he'll thrive with the spacing he'll have here..and he'll thrive as a 3rd/4th option rather than being the 1st/2nd option in Portland:
He's got the potential to possibly make an all-star team as a Celtic. Just turned 26..still getting better.
Not saying he can't be a good 3rd or 4th option, but not sure any of these plays show that. These are all first option type of plays. Running screens for him and ISOs.
As a 3rd or 4th option you're not going to have the ball to start plays as much. Can he run off defenders properly with off ball with cuts and relocating behind the 3 point line? Can he maintain his rhythm if he goes multiple possessions without the ball? Can he play better defense, because the lower down the offensive priority list you go the less tolerable it is for you to be a negative on defense - you expect them to be additive to your defense ideally.
Ideally your 3rd/4th options can create their own shot. KP was the 3rd option here. We gave him the ball a lot in low post, mid post situations, we would give him the ball at the elbows and let him go to work in iso situations.
This is the era of multiple ball handlers, multiple shot creators. This is no longer an NBA where you only have 2 shot creators and everyone else just stands in the corner waiting for a catch and shoot 3 (or cuts or goes for a lob). Your team becomes much harder to defend if you have 3+ guys who can create their own shot, who can break down a defense, who can handle the basketball, initiate actions, bring the ball up the floor, etc.
When we have struggled offensively in recent years it's when our offense gets too stagnant, when we rely too heavily on the Jays..when opposing defenses know they only have 2 guys (the Jays) to focus on so they load up all 5 of their defenders to stop the Jays..they bring all kinds of help defenders so that the Jays have no driving lanes, because opposing teams know we don't have anyone else who can do anything with the ball in their hands - until now.
Opposing teams double team Tatum. They play physical with Brown. They deny them the ball. Especially in crunch time situations or when it's the 4th quarter and a close game. The gameplan against is to make the other guys beat you. Because opposing teams don't respect our other guys...now they'll have to so it'll make things much easier for the Jays.
Nembhard's highlights probably look fairly similar to Simons' highlights. Except Simons is quicker, more explosive. And a better outside shooter. Nembhard has better handles, is more crafty with the ball.
Where would the pacers be if they didn't have Nembhard? Imagine if they thought you only needed 2 guys who could create their own shot..imagine if they relied on just Hali and Siakam to do it all.
Sure, Nembhard is a better defender but Nembhard also played college ball at Gonzaga where they emphasize defense. And he's on a Pacers team with a winning culture and a very good coach (Carlisle) who emphasizes defense. Simons didn't play college ball and has not yet been on a real NBA team with real coaching yet. Now that he's in Boston, it shouldn't be a surprise if he plays better D, especially since he's so quick and has a 6'9" wingspan. Plus he'll have a lesser role on offense so therefore will be able to exert more energy on D.
1) Indiana has an ELITE playmaker (which Boston does not) 2) Nembhart is better than Simons 3) Nembhard has a higher IQ than Simons.
Simons is not a good basketball player, you keep trying to hype him up but you are failing here.
He isnt quicker or more explosive - if anything they are comparable Simons is smaller by a few inches and 15 pounds
Yeah I guess Simons is a better shooter....But is a worse ball handler, worse defender, has worse size, is a worse rebounder, is a worse playmaker
The one thing you can teach is Shooting, you cannot teach everything else.
You have to stop looking at the 20ppg scoring and decent 3pt shooting, it doesnt tell the whole story.
cl2117 wrote:Simons to Dallas for Klay and a 3rd team eating Naji Marshall in a TPE for free?
I hope Stevens calls Joe Dumars and Nico breakfast lunch and dinner just to check in if they want to do something stupid that day.
Naji should be KEPT in this case.
I still think that a Gafford/Naji swap for Simons makes sense in all directions personally. Sheds another 4.2 Million in payroll for the Celtics and adds 2 starters to the team. Still need a starting PF, but you can make it work with starting one of Sheierman, Hugo or Hauser and slide Naji to the starting PF spot.
Gafford and Marshall both have higher value than Simons. How many picks are you sending to bridge that gap, if DAL is even willing to make a seller trade like that?
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Quiet day so far, Teams may be heading out on to their 4th of July break and holiday plans...
We'll probably hear about a Lillard signing today.
Hopefully with the Celtics then for those who don't want Brown or White traded. There's no chance those two will be going anywhere if Lillard signs with the Celts...
I still think that a Gafford/Naji swap for Simons makes sense in all directions personally. Sheds another 4.2 Million in payroll for the Celtics and adds 2 starters to the team. Still need a starting PF, but you can make it work with starting one of Sheierman, Hugo or Hauser and slide Naji to the starting PF spot.
If you don't keep Naji you can duck the tax this season. I think you can keep him but you've got to get rid of Hauser or Niang plus a lot of back-end of the roster, neither of which are worthwhile.
Keep Klay, hopefully flip him in the future, but in the interim he helps you duck the tax and is actually a decent fit.
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.
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