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Official 2025 Offseason Thread

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Does the FO add a legitimate starting (scoring) guard to the roster this summer?

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2161 » by basketballRob » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:14 pm

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otownflava21 wrote:

I keep hearing increasing rumors we are bringing Bamba back??


Vet min to fill in until Moe is back. Seems workable


Moe.said his rehab timeline was to be back for training camp. May have to take a pich of salt given he's a free agent, but even then I don't think the prognosis would be so bad as to merit an emergency center. That, of course, if Moe is resigned, which I doubt.
The chance of the Magic bringing Moe back is 100%.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2162 » by Skybox » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:16 pm

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RichCollab wrote:I’m going to leave this right here. Everyone added vet min with Moe getting a solid contract

Suggs/Tyus/Jase
Bane/ AB/Cole
Franz/TDS/ Caleb
Paolo/JI/ Penda
WCJ/M Wagner/Bamba



I keep hearing increasing rumors we are bringing Bamba back??


Cole too apparently :crazy:
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Post#2163 » by Skybox » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:20 pm

I feel very comfortable that Moe will be back. I'd love another "get better" move, but I feel like all Weltman is up to now is finding some more money for Moe...that most likely is just unloading Jett into someone's TPE or cap space...if he can't get that done, which I'd find surprising, he'll turn to Goga, etc. I don't see why a team near the bottom of a rebuild wouldn't take a chance at a recent lottery pick with an expiring deal. Minimal risk, high potential payoff.

Unless there's something big coming - I don't see them moving Goga.

Then, regardless of which direction, filling out the roster with summer leaguer/waiver wire/G-Leaguers/vet mins, if any slots remain
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2164 » by 89Magicfan » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:23 pm

I’d trade WCJ before Goga.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2165 » by jezzerinho » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:45 pm

basketballRob wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
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Vet min to fill in until Moe is back. Seems workable


Moe.said his rehab timeline was to be back for training camp. May have to take a pich of salt given he's a free agent, but even then I don't think the prognosis would be so bad as to merit an emergency center. That, of course, if Moe is resigned, which I doubt.
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I really hope so. I'm amazed another team wouldn't take a punt at something higher than we can manage. If so, awesome!
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2166 » by Knightro » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:53 pm

The only thing we don't really know is whether or not the Magic intend to outright avoid the luxury tax or not.

I didn't think they would be concerned with that originally, but it does seem like they are taking that into significant consideration.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2167 » by eyriq » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:10 pm

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2168 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:40 pm

I would love to be there for Howard's improvements. I honestly think that he would make a great step forward with the changes that we are making to our system. Would love to be able retain him and get Moe.... but Moe will be top priority as we know his current value to the team. We will see what the team comes up with... I do want to respect Moe as a player.... but if he takes less during an injured season... that would be great. Lol... Franz take care of allllll the bills now... we know you can afford it. :-D
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Post#2169 » by eyriq » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:56 pm

Knightro wrote:The only thing we don't really know is whether or not the Magic intend to outright avoid the luxury tax or not.

I didn't think they would be concerned with that originally, but it does seem like they are taking that into significant consideration.


What signals are you seeing that suggest the front office is placing significant weight on avoiding the luxury tax? Curious what specifically led you to that conclusion.
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Post#2170 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:49 pm

I’m genuinely curious if there are situations of a player being traded and then being waived and immediately coming back to the team that dealt him.
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Post#2171 » by tiderulz » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:51 pm

to me, if Jett wanted to be with the team, he would show up in SL. show up and kill it, show he belongs. that he isnt says a lot about him
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2172 » by OrlandoDream » Thu Jul 3, 2025 3:57 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:I’m genuinely curious if there are situations of a player being traded and then being waived and immediately coming back to the team that dealt him.

I love Coles energy and the culture he help built here. With that said, its best for him to go into a different situation for his career. I would take him as an assistant coach over 90% of Mosleys staff but he is still young with a lot of game left

Also I thought it was prohibited for player to join team that traded him post clearing waivers for one season after the trade?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2173 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:04 pm

tiderulz wrote:to me, if Jett wanted to be with the team, he would show up in SL. show up and kill it, show he belongs. that he isnt says a lot about him

He did great last summer league and did great... Just the season didn't go well. But.... I don't think it's just up to him only. They might also want to see as much of the other individuals as possible as well. We have 3 high priority players in Tristan, Jase, and Noah.... And players that they need to evaluate for other opening ( 2 way etc.)

We'll see. FO and coaching staff would be working hand in hand on decisions.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2174 » by Knightro » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:09 pm

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:The only thing we don't really know is whether or not the Magic intend to outright avoid the luxury tax or not.

I didn't think they would be concerned with that originally, but it does seem like they are taking that into significant consideration.


What signals are you seeing that suggest the front office is placing significant weight on avoiding the luxury tax? Curious what specifically led you to that conclusion.


They’re far enough under the first apron hard cap to have already offered Moe to a very competitive salary that I believe he would take.

The fact that hasn’t happened yet makes me think it’s because they prefer to figure out the rest of the luxury tax situation first rather than have to punt a contract during the season.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2175 » by RichCollab » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:11 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:The only thing we don't really know is whether or not the Magic intend to outright avoid the luxury tax or not.

I didn't think they would be concerned with that originally, but it does seem like they are taking that into significant consideration.


What signals are you seeing that suggest the front office is placing significant weight on avoiding the luxury tax? Curious what specifically led you to that conclusion.


They’re far enough under the first apron hard cap to have already offered Moe to a very competitive salary that I believe he would take.

The fact that hasn’t happened yet makes me think it’s because they prefer to figure out the rest of the luxury tax situation first rather than have to punt a contract during the season.


It could be about keeping as much flexibility as possible.

Next year is going to be interesting as the salary cap increases by 7% and not the 10% that was anticipated. That may have caused some additional planning.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2176 » by eyriq » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:13 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:The only thing we don't really know is whether or not the Magic intend to outright avoid the luxury tax or not.

I didn't think they would be concerned with that originally, but it does seem like they are taking that into significant consideration.


What signals are you seeing that suggest the front office is placing significant weight on avoiding the luxury tax? Curious what specifically led you to that conclusion.


They’re far enough under the first apron hard cap to have already offered Moe to a very competitive salary that I believe he would take.

The fact that hasn’t happened yet makes me think it’s because they prefer to figure out the rest of the luxury tax situation first rather than have to punt a contract during the season.



My understanding is that they are currently about $7.9 million below the first apron. The key questions, then, are: how much buffer would you hold for in-season flexibility, and how much would you allocate to the 15th roster spot? That directly determines what they can reasonably offer Moritz.

What would you consider a competitive salary in that context?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2177 » by tiderulz » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:18 pm

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tiderulz wrote:to me, if Jett wanted to be with the team, he would show up in SL. show up and kill it, show he belongs. that he isnt says a lot about him

He did great last summer league and did great... Just the season didn't go well. But.... I don't think it's just up to him only. They might also want to see as much of the other individuals as possible as well. We have 3 high priority players in Tristan, Jase, and Noah.... And players that they need to evaluate for other opening ( 2 way etc.)

We'll see. FO and coaching staff would be working hand in hand on decisions.

cmon, its SL. you think the front office wants to see more of Marcio Santos or Dakota Leffew? we have to pay him this year either way. And Tristan, Jase and Noah arent in his way to play.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2178 » by BCS » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:19 pm

Fair contract for Moe is 1+1 player option deal around $5.5m each year. Decent amount and insurance with a player option for next year in case things don't go well. Things go well, he opts out and either resigns with a bigger deal or leaves in an offseason where a lot more teams have cap to spend.

I think we do not fill 15th roster spot, we sign one two way player and we roll the dice. Depending how the season goes,injuries and what not, moves can be made. Dumping Jett will always be there, trading goga is more reasonable once moe is back and healthy, etc.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2179 » by OrlMagic05 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:43 pm

Not sure if this has been brought up, but is it a little strange that Paolo has not signed his extension yet?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#2180 » by fendilim » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:46 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:The only thing we don't really know is whether or not the Magic intend to outright avoid the luxury tax or not.

I didn't think they would be concerned with that originally, but it does seem like they are taking that into significant consideration.


What signals are you seeing that suggest the front office is placing significant weight on avoiding the luxury tax? Curious what specifically led you to that conclusion.


They’re far enough under the first apron hard cap to have already offered Moe to a very competitive salary that I believe he would take.

The fact that hasn’t happened yet makes me think it’s because they prefer to figure out the rest of the luxury tax situation first rather than have to punt a contract during the season.

Imo, they already have a verbal deal with Moe. And they are simply exploring all avenues regarding the salary cap next year which didnt increase as expected.
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