Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[MrDollarBills]

Mike brown hasn’t gotten past the first round of the playoffs in over 10 years.

That's a fair critique.

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

I was thinking in terms of the last 3 seasons, but good point. Throw the Golden State years out of the discussion

[3toheadmelo]

Mike brown hasn’t gotten past the first round of the playoffs in over 10 years.

That's a fair critique.

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

You’re just arguing semantics to avoid addressing the elephant in the room. Has he ever had any playoff success outside of coaching Bron? He’s had multiple talented teams on the Lakers and kings.

[3toheadmelo]

Mike brown has had talent outside of Bron. He fumbled Kobe, Dwight Howard, Nash, Gasol. And yes they were old, but they got much better after Brown was fired.

He had a talented kings team with Fox, Sabonis, Derozan, monk, Keon Ellis, Davion Mitchell and still couldn’t get past the first round and had a losing record last season.

They didn’t get better when they got rid of him in either case. Lakers got swept in the first round the year he got fired just after 5 games. And the Kings missed the playoffs this year after firing him after 31 games.

The lakers made it to the playoffs after they fired Brown. They were 0-4 when he got fired.

The Kings were 13-18 with Mike brown this past season. They went 27-24 after they fired Mike brown.

[MrDollarBills]

That's a fair critique.

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

You’re just arguing semantics to avoid addressing the elephant in the room. Has he ever had any playoff success outside of coaching Bron? He’s had multiple talented teams on the Lakers and kings.

Counter point to this is that Thibs hasn't had success outside of Rose and Brunson, which i wouldn't hold against Tom. I don't think having LeBron should be a knock against Mike either, you can't win without talent.

Look at Jordi Fernandez, people here are giving him the credit for Sacramento's offense but he just coached the Nets to the 2nd worst offense and defense in the league, but no one can hold that against him because his best player was literally Cam Thomas, and he got hurt.

I think for me, I gotta focus on how Mike's past offensive and defensive systems will fit this roster.

[DOT]

That's a fair critique.

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

I was thinking in terms of the last 3 seasons, but good point. Throw the Golden State years out of the discussion

I see it, he gets hired to the Kings, they massively overperform in year 1, then take a slight step back in year 2, which is concerning given the fact it's basically the same team, then year 3 management throws him a huge curveball by adding DeRozan which probably throws off the chemistry. Not to say throw out the 3rd season, just that it's kinda hard to judge given the conditions he had

Both his stints in Cleveland and his time in Sac, he came in and the teams instantly got better. So I do have some hope that at least in year 1 we might be good enough to win, it's just sustaining success that I'd be worried about, especially if he needs a good offensive assistant.

[stuporman]

Apparently having 'multiple talented teams over 10 years' translates into 3 full seasons...

[Jalen Bluntson]

Raw numbers deserve context. That's where the disconnect is. I don't think it's crazy to just judge Brown for the seasons he didn't have HOF/GOAT talent. It was literally his last stop before coming here. He had two successful seasons and the bad beginning to his third season that led to his firing. He lost that locker room. It matters. The one other year he didn't have LeBron/Kobe he lost that locker room and was fired. He also lost the locker room/support of the team WITH LeBron and was fired then as well. Then there was the final Lakers season which I won't even add.

When compared to Thibs his track record isn't much different honestly. They both run their course everywhere they go. Kinda for the same reasons. The hope that he isn't as rigid as Thibs is where I am. The hope that he builds a competent staff and everyone is on the same page top to bottom is where I am. The hope that the system makes sense on both sides of the ball is where I am at. I'm just not going to assume things will get better until they do. I'm not gonna assume he's gonna develop the kids until I see it. I'm not gonna ignore red flags either. Eyes wide open. Hoping for the best.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Apparently having 'multiple talented teams over 10 years' translates into 3 full seasons...

Apparently ignoring what's being said equates to

[BKlutch]

Mike brown hasn’t gotten past the first round of the playoffs in over 10 years.

That's a fair critique.

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

Brown Coached the Warriors to a 12-0 record in the 2016-17 playoffs when Steve Kerr was out. Yes, I know the team was good. But he didn't F it up!

[Context]

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Reposting this again because it cracks me up. Karl is gonna need to get right that's all I'm gonna say. All those stupid fouls and freelancing on D will not be tolerated

This would make a HUGE difference if Brown gets Kat to stop fouling Dollar.

[stuporman]

Apparently having 'multiple talented teams over 10 years' translates into 3 full seasons...

Apparently ignoring what's being said equates to

Apparently thinking what's being said isn't trash is

[sol537]

The key is going to be getting Brown the best assistant coaching and development staff that Dolan's money can buy. We should be extra aggressive in hiring the absolute best. Go after Borrego, Jenkins, Staley, etc.

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[jvsimonetti0514]

A lot of my apprehension with Mike Brown stems from the fact that he underachieved with the second best players of all time. Those Cleveland rosters were more suspect in hindsight than we thought at the time but getting upset in back to back years with a 60 win team is a major blemish on his record. Maybe there was more he could have done cuz it’s not like Doc Rivers or SVG are elite coaches. It’s unfair to say none of his wins with LeBron count but the majority of his success is with James.

[Context]

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to preface my comments by saying Brown isn't my guy and I'm still wait to see on him but I will do it again.

Reading all the comments how about he's average, not good, terrible and such so I go look at his stats and I'm wondering what people are basing it on.

In the over 350 coaches listed on BB reference he's 30th in regular season win % overall and with coaches having at least 3 seasons worth of games he's 12th to eliminate the small sample size ones.

He's also 30th in playoff win % and 13th out of coaches with at least 50 playoff games. Both regular season and playoff win % are above .500 and only 1 losing season where he had a full year.

Say what you will about his system, or methods, his in game adjustments or schemes, how he handles players or the media, the fact remains he's been successful and a winning coach.

It seems that people use the term 'retread' for any coach who's been a coach before and been fired, that's virtually all coaches that have been a head coach.

People want the shiny new toy, the untested 'genius' assistant but the problem is we don't know if they are going to be a good head coach until 2-3 seasons later and it's too late.

I don't know if he is the right choice and if he will help the team take the next step but the narrative he's a terrible retread seem to be sus takes at this point.

Time will tell though, he might be a mistake or might be the one who takes them over the hump. He's just not an exiciting hire, though, that much I can agree. He's safe in a boring way.

You are right Stu. I wanted the new genius assistant.
After looking at Browns resume. He makes more sense.
Looking forward to see which assistants they bring in.

Real gm is like politics. People pick a side and run with it. I allowed myself to do research and the research shows he was the right choice for this team.

I dont pick sides personally. I do run with things from time to time WITHOUT doing research I must admit. This was one of those times.
Browns resume is incredible. Like I said, growth doesnt have to stop. It stopped for Thibs. We will find out if Brown can get better today.
We will find out if Brown is going to push himself toward being greater. He has a unique group to work with. Can't wait to see him work.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Not really

Because it implies he's been coaching that entire time, which he hasn't been. He got fired in 2014 from Cleveland, then didn't get another head coaching job until the 2023 season, which is 9 years in and of itself. Hard to make it past the 1st round when you're not even coaching

Even if we could the 2013 season where he only coached 5 games, it's only been 6 seasons since he made it out of the 1st round. For comparison, Thibs had not made it out of the first round in 5 seasons as a coach before making it to the 2nd round in 2023.

You’re just arguing semantics to avoid addressing the elephant in the room. Has he ever had any playoff success outside of coaching Bron? He’s had multiple talented teams on the Lakers and kings.

Counter point to this is that Thibs hasn't had success outside of Rose and Brunson, which i wouldn't hold against Tom. I don't think having LeBron should be a knock against Mike either, you can't win without talent.

Look at Jordi Fernandez, people here are giving him the credit for Sacramento's offense but he just coached the Nets to the 2nd worst offense and defense in the league, but no one can hold that against him because his best player was literally Cam Thomas, and he got hurt.

I think for me, I gotta focus on how Mike's past offensive and defensive systems will fit this roster.

Who gave Jordi credit? Not me. As for the Nets, it was a tank. Pop wasn't doing any better with that team. Come on bro. I can see you! I said there was circumstantial evidence to suggest his AHC was a big part of that success. That waa according to talk from SAC fans.

My big miss in year 3 was DeRozan. It still doesn't change the fact that he lost the locker room according to reports but, he was thrown a curveball there.

[BKlutch]

OK, we need to completely settle this issue now, for once and all, so we can stop having interesting conversations here. To do this, I turned to the foremost expert on basketball, our new digital-age electronic god, Google AI (pronouns it, them). I asked given his record, how good a coach will Mike Brown be for the Knicks?

Based on Mike Brown's coaching record, here's an analysis of how good a coach he can be for the Knicks:

Strengths:
Proven Success as a Head Coach:
• Brown has a career winning percentage of .599 over 754 regular season games, which is higher than all but 29 NBA coaches.
• He's a two-time NBA Coach of the Year.
• He led the Cleveland Cavaliers to the NBA Finals in 2007.
• He helped the Sacramento Kings end their 16-year playoff drought in his first season (2022-23), earning him a second Coach of the Year award.
• During his first stint with Cleveland, his teams won at least 50 games in four out of five seasons.
Championship Pedigree (as an Assistant): He has won four NBA titles as an assistant coach, with one under Gregg Popovich in San Antonio and three with the Golden State Warriors. Wikipedia notes that he led the Warriors to a 12-0 record in the 2016-17 playoffs while Steve Kerr was absent, demonstrating his capability in a head coaching role.
Defensive Expertise: Brown is widely regarded as one of the league's foremost defensive minds. He has engineered top-tier defensive units in previous coaching stints.
Offensive Adaptability: While known for defense, his recent success in Sacramento showcased a creative, pace-and-space offense, indicating an ability to adapt his style. His Kings team in 2022-23 had the best offensive efficiency in league history at the time.
Experience with Superstars: He has coached some of the greatest players in the league, including LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and Stephen Curry. This experience could be crucial in managing the high-profile environment in New York.

Potential Challenges:
Playoff Success (as Head Coach): While he led Cleveland to the Finals, his playoff record is less dominant than his regular season performance, and his teams have had some disappointing playoff exits.
Pressure in New York: The Knicks haven't won a championship in over 50 years, and expectations are high, especially after the team's recent success under Tom Thibodeau. Anything short of an NBA Finals appearance might be considered a failure by some.
Adaptation to the Knicks Roster: He will need to effectively integrate key players like Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns into his system, and find ways to maximize their potential along with players like Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby.

Overall:
Mike Brown brings a strong resume, including head coaching success, championship experience, and a reputation for defensive prowess. His recent adaptability with the Kings offense is a positive sign. He has the potential to be a very good coach for the Knicks, but his success will depend on how well he navigates the immense pressure and adapts his system to the team's strengths. The ultimate measure of his success will be whether he can elevate the Knicks to the level of true championship contention.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Would love Phil handy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’d do wonders for Og!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Apparently having 'multiple talented teams over 10 years' translates into 3 full seasons...

Apparently ignoring what's being said equates to

Apparently thinking what's being said isn't trash is

Apparently you can't read. wanna get banned together for derailing the thread? Sounds like fun! Or you can just stop now and don't lie about me ever again. Valid points are not trash. Deal with it and move on if you can't have an adult conversation.

i mean... -JVG

[nykfan42]

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you can see our roster in these schemes

That is a great breakdown of the offense. I agree too I see a lot of ways Brunson will thrive in that offense. KAT too on screens and pop outs to 3. Bridges as well bc I think he moves well without the ball and cuts. I'm looking forward to seeing this play out.

[stuporman]

Wow...winning 2 less games in the west means going from the 3rd seed to the 9th seed. There has to be more context than that but 'stepping back' in those conditions lacks some explanation.