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The Corey's wrote:That chism dude been mia for a long time.
Don't be a absentee owner. Go on record on why you're doing what you're doing and what the long term plan is.
cl2117 wrote:Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.Larry_Russell wrote:cl2117 wrote:If you don't keep Naji you can duck the tax this season. I think you can keep him but you've got to get rid of Hauser or Niang plus a lot of back-end of the roster, neither of which are worthwhile.
Keep Klay, hopefully flip him in the future, but in the interim he helps you duck the tax and is actually a decent fit.
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
hugepatsfan wrote:The Corey's wrote:That chism dude been mia for a long time.
Don't be a absentee owner. Go on record on why you're doing what you're doing and what the long term plan is.
They can't legally comment on any of the deals until they're made official on July 6th. For him to speak on any of the moves they've made right now would be in violation of league rules. You're just being impatient.
cl2117 wrote:Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.Larry_Russell wrote:cl2117 wrote:If you don't keep Naji you can duck the tax this season. I think you can keep him but you've got to get rid of Hauser or Niang plus a lot of back-end of the roster, neither of which are worthwhile.
Keep Klay, hopefully flip him in the future, but in the interim he helps you duck the tax and is actually a decent fit.
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
Larry_Russell wrote:cl2117 wrote:Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.Larry_Russell wrote:
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
Naji is a 6-8 Derrick White.
All the skills are there for a very well rounder, complete, hyper efficient NBA player. His shot is the only thing questionable...but seems to have improved in a sustainable way.
He is a point forward where as Hauser is a 1 trick poney, albeit, elite at shooting the ball. I would prefer to keep both Naji and Hauser for a differing skill set and drop Niang on someone instead.
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Moving the ball, directing teammates, cutting, swinging the ball, attacking the rim, knocking down shotsw.
hugepatsfan wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:cl2117 wrote:Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.
Naji is a 6-8 Derrick White.
All the skills are there for a very well rounder, complete, hyper efficient NBA player. His shot is the only thing questionable...but seems to have improved in a sustainable way.
He is a point forward where as Hauser is a 1 trick poney, albeit, elite at shooting the ball. I would prefer to keep both Naji and Hauser for a differing skill set and drop Niang on someone instead.
;ab_channel=NBAShowtime
Moving the ball, directing teammates, cutting, swinging the ball, attacking the rim, knocking down shotsw.
How has he improved his shot in a sustainable way? He shot 27.5% last year after a one year blip before that. One year spike and back down to normal is the opposite of sustainable improvement. I like the player and would probably be down to swap Hauser for him a I mentioned my last post. I also like the idea of keeping both. I like Naji. But pretending he's improved his shot in any sustainable way is made up. He hasn't. Maybe he can, but if we're evaluating what he's been so far you have to call a spade a spade and say he's a bad shooter.
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Larry_Russell wrote:Hal14 wrote:Ideally your 3rd/4th options can create their own shot. KP was the 3rd option here. We gave him the ball a lot in low post, mid post situations, we would give him the ball at the elbows and let him go to work in iso situations.
This is the era of multiple ball handlers, multiple shot creators. This is no longer an NBA where you only have 2 shot creators and everyone else just stands in the corner waiting for a catch and shoot 3 (or cuts or goes for a lob). Your team becomes much harder to defend if you have 3+ guys who can create their own shot, who can break down a defense, who can handle the basketball, initiate actions, bring the ball up the floor, etc.
When we have struggled offensively in recent years it's when our offense gets too stagnant, when we rely too heavily on the Jays..when opposing defenses know they only have 2 guys (the Jays) to focus on so they load up all 5 of their defenders to stop the Jays..they bring all kinds of help defenders so that the Jays have no driving lanes, because opposing teams know we don't have anyone else who can do anything with the ball in their hands - until now.
Opposing teams double team Tatum. They play physical with Brown. They deny them the ball. Especially in crunch time situations or when it's the 4th quarter and a close game. The gameplan against is to make the other guys beat you. Because opposing teams don't respect our other guys...now they'll have to so it'll make things much easier for the Jays.
Here's the Pacers no. 3 option Andrew Nembhard with one of the biggest shots of the season..in the NBA finals:
Nembhard's highlights probably look fairly similar to Simons' highlights. Except Simons is quicker, more explosive. And a better outside shooter. Nembhard has better handles, is more crafty with the ball.
Where would the pacers be if they didn't have Nembhard? Imagine if they thought you only needed 2 guys who could create their own shot..imagine if they relied on just Hali and Siakam to do it all.
Sure, Nembhard is a better defender but Nembhard also played college ball at Gonzaga where they emphasize defense. And he's on a Pacers team with a winning culture and a very good coach (Carlisle) who emphasizes defense. Simons didn't play college ball and has not yet been on a real NBA team with real coaching yet. Now that he's in Boston, it shouldn't be a surprise if he plays better D, especially since he's so quick and has a 6'9" wingspan. Plus he'll have a lesser role on offense so therefore will be able to exert more energy on D.
1) Indiana has an ELITE playmaker (which Boston does not)
2) Nembhart is better than Simons
3) Nembhard has a higher IQ than Simons.
Simons is not a good basketball player, you keep trying to hype him up but you are failing here.
He isnt quicker or more explosive - if anything they are comparable
Simons is smaller by a few inches and 15 pounds
Yeah I guess Simons is a better shooter....But is a worse ball handler, worse defender, has worse size, is a worse rebounder, is a worse playmaker
The one thing you can teach is Shooting, you cannot teach everything else.
You have to stop looking at the 20ppg scoring and decent 3pt shooting, it doesnt tell the whole story.
Larry_Russell wrote:cl2117 wrote:Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.Larry_Russell wrote:
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
Naji is a 6-8 Derrick White.
All the skills are there for a very well rounder, complete, hyper efficient NBA player. His shot is the only thing questionable...but seems to have improved in a sustainable way.
He is a point forward where as Hauser is a 1 trick poney, albeit, elite at shooting the ball. I would prefer to keep both Naji and Hauser for a differing skill set and drop Niang on someone instead.
;ab_channel=NBAShowtime
Moving the ball, directing teammates, cutting, swinging the ball, attacking the rim, knocking down shotsw.
hugepatsfan wrote:cl2117 wrote:Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.Larry_Russell wrote:
Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.
I'm not sure it's better or worse with Hauser/Naji, just different. Naji is more of a jack of all trades kind of guy. Better rebounder, more playmaking chops, more of a cutter than a shooter, and a better defender to where you would actually give him tough assignments on that end compared to Hauser who you try to hide but are fine living with teams hunting him out.
I actually think that swapping Hauser for Naji makes sense for us and Dallas. They lack perimeter shooting because they have a lot of more rugged defensive forwards. We're kind of the opposite. I think Marshall's game could actually be more complimentary long term to what we have.
Shooting is SO IMPORTANT league wide so I think Hauser would probably be worth more to the whole league overall, but I'd say they're similar caliber of players either way.
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winsomme2 wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:Hal14 wrote:Ideally your 3rd/4th options can create their own shot. KP was the 3rd option here. We gave him the ball a lot in low post, mid post situations, we would give him the ball at the elbows and let him go to work in iso situations.
This is the era of multiple ball handlers, multiple shot creators. This is no longer an NBA where you only have 2 shot creators and everyone else just stands in the corner waiting for a catch and shoot 3 (or cuts or goes for a lob). Your team becomes much harder to defend if you have 3+ guys who can create their own shot, who can break down a defense, who can handle the basketball, initiate actions, bring the ball up the floor, etc.
When we have struggled offensively in recent years it's when our offense gets too stagnant, when we rely too heavily on the Jays..when opposing defenses know they only have 2 guys (the Jays) to focus on so they load up all 5 of their defenders to stop the Jays..they bring all kinds of help defenders so that the Jays have no driving lanes, because opposing teams know we don't have anyone else who can do anything with the ball in their hands - until now.
Opposing teams double team Tatum. They play physical with Brown. They deny them the ball. Especially in crunch time situations or when it's the 4th quarter and a close game. The gameplan against is to make the other guys beat you. Because opposing teams don't respect our other guys...now they'll have to so it'll make things much easier for the Jays.
Here's the Pacers no. 3 option Andrew Nembhard with one of the biggest shots of the season..in the NBA finals:
Nembhard's highlights probably look fairly similar to Simons' highlights. Except Simons is quicker, more explosive. And a better outside shooter. Nembhard has better handles, is more crafty with the ball.
Where would the pacers be if they didn't have Nembhard? Imagine if they thought you only needed 2 guys who could create their own shot..imagine if they relied on just Hali and Siakam to do it all.
Sure, Nembhard is a better defender but Nembhard also played college ball at Gonzaga where they emphasize defense. And he's on a Pacers team with a winning culture and a very good coach (Carlisle) who emphasizes defense. Simons didn't play college ball and has not yet been on a real NBA team with real coaching yet. Now that he's in Boston, it shouldn't be a surprise if he plays better D, especially since he's so quick and has a 6'9" wingspan. Plus he'll have a lesser role on offense so therefore will be able to exert more energy on D.
1) Indiana has an ELITE playmaker (which Boston does not)
2) Nembhart is better than Simons
3) Nembhard has a higher IQ than Simons.
Simons is not a good basketball player, you keep trying to hype him up but you are failing here.
He isnt quicker or more explosive - if anything they are comparable
Simons is smaller by a few inches and 15 pounds
Yeah I guess Simons is a better shooter....But is a worse ball handler, worse defender, has worse size, is a worse rebounder, is a worse playmaker
The one thing you can teach is Shooting, you cannot teach everything else.
You have to stop looking at the 20ppg scoring and decent 3pt shooting, it doesnt tell the whole story.
I'm on the fence about Simons. I'm definitely curious to see what he looks like in our system and it's hard to deny his scoring stats, but I worry that he has some Denis Schroder in his game (ie focused on his own stats) and will ultimately not contribute to winning basketball.
If Brad trades him, I wouldn't be overly upset but at the same time he has the type of skills that I have been desperately wanting for us.
We have to get players who can beat their man of the dribble. We absolutely need that. Just not sure that Simons is that guy. I'd like to see it first before really having an opinion.
Curmudgeon wrote:winsomme2 wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:
1) Indiana has an ELITE playmaker (which Boston does not)
2) Nembhart is better than Simons
3) Nembhard has a higher IQ than Simons.
Simons is not a good basketball player, you keep trying to hype him up but you are failing here.
He isnt quicker or more explosive - if anything they are comparable
Simons is smaller by a few inches and 15 pounds
Yeah I guess Simons is a better shooter....But is a worse ball handler, worse defender, has worse size, is a worse rebounder, is a worse playmaker
The one thing you can teach is Shooting, you cannot teach everything else.
You have to stop looking at the 20ppg scoring and decent 3pt shooting, it doesnt tell the whole story.
I'm on the fence about Simons. I'm definitely curious to see what he looks like in our system and it's hard to deny his scoring stats, but I worry that he has some Denis Schroder in his game (ie focused on his own stats) and will ultimately not contribute to winning basketball.
If Brad trades him, I wouldn't be overly upset but at the same time he has the type of skills that I have been desperately wanting for us.
We have to get players who can beat their man of the dribble. We absolutely need that. Just not sure that Simons is that guy. I'd like to see it first before really having an opinion.
Well, from what I see Simons needs the ball in his hands. I've been looking for a highlight where he makes a catch and shoot three but I can't find one. He almost always shoots off the bounce and his form is excellent. Good free throw shooter too, and he can get to the rim going right (but not left).
Buit he's a ball hog and a shot hog who plays zero defense. He rarely passes the ball and his D-EPM (a stat some folks like) is dead last in the league. Get used to stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jvb1q5HsKWk?feature=share
Curmudgeon wrote:I want Simons gone yesterday. Not a winning player. Shorter version of Deandre Ayton. BTW I can't believe how badly Luka trashed Ayton in that interview. It was all so true and cut right to the bone.
Fierce1 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:I want Simons gone yesterday. Not a winning player. Shorter version of Deandre Ayton. BTW I can't believe how badly Luka trashed Ayton in that interview. It was all so true and cut right to the bone.
Simon says...
You are not Brad Stevens.
Hal14 wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:Hal14 wrote:Spoiler:
Not saying he can't be a good 3rd or 4th option, but not sure any of these plays show that. These are all first option type of plays. Running screens for him and ISOs.
As a 3rd or 4th option you're not going to have the ball to start plays as much. Can he run off defenders properly with off ball with cuts and relocating behind the 3 point line? Can he maintain his rhythm if he goes multiple possessions without the ball? Can he play better defense, because the lower down the offensive priority list you go the less tolerable it is for you to be a negative on defense - you expect them to be additive to your defense ideally.
Ideally your 3rd/4th options can create their own shot. KP was the 3rd option here. We gave him the ball a lot in low post, mid post situations, we would give him the ball at the elbows and let him go to work in iso situations.
This is the era of multiple ball handlers, multiple shot creators. This is no longer an NBA where you only have 2 shot creators and everyone else just stands in the corner waiting for a catch and shoot 3 (or cuts or goes for a lob). Your team becomes much harder to defend if you have 3+ guys who can create their own shot, who can break down a defense, who can handle the basketball, initiate actions, bring the ball up the floor, etc.
When we have struggled offensively in recent years it's when our offense gets too stagnant, when we rely too heavily on the Jays..when opposing defenses know they only have 2 guys (the Jays) to focus on so they load up all 5 of their defenders to stop the Jays..they bring all kinds of help defenders so that the Jays have no driving lanes, because opposing teams know we don't have anyone else who can do anything with the ball in their hands - until now.
Opposing teams double team Tatum. They play physical with Brown. They deny them the ball. Especially in crunch time situations or when it's the 4th quarter and a close game. The gameplan against is to make the other guys beat you. Because opposing teams don't respect our other guys...now they'll have to so it'll make things much easier for the Jays.
I've seen it time and time again. Especially in games (or stretches of games) with KP out of lineup. Opposing defense keys on the Jays, deny them the ball, double team them, bring help defenders at them, etc. And then we've got Pritchard or D-white struggling to create anything, and then just jacking up some tough 3 pointer that isn't even close to going in at the end of the shot clock - yuck.
Here's the Pacers no. 3 option Andrew Nembhard with one of the biggest shots of the season..in the NBA finals:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TXWm0238LSY
Nembhard's highlights probably look fairly similar to Simons' highlights. Except Simons is quicker, more explosive. And a better outside shooter. Nembhard has better handles, is more crafty with the ball.
Where would the pacers be if they didn't have Nembhard? Imagine if they thought you only needed 2 guys who could create their own shot..imagine if they relied on just Hali and Siakam to do it all.
Sure, Nembhard is a better defender but Nembhard also played college ball at Gonzaga where they emphasize defense. And he's on a Pacers team with a winning culture and a very good coach (Carlisle) who emphasizes defense. Simons didn't play college ball and has not yet been on a real NBA team with real coaching yet. Now that he's in Boston, it shouldn't be a surprise if he plays better D, especially since he's so quick and has a 6'9" wingspan. Plus he'll have a lesser role on offense so therefore will be able to exert more energy on D.
