The new CBAs stifling of ratings

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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#61 » by Lalouie » Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:16 am

Patches Perry wrote:I made this post in another thread but thought it deserved its own thread because there is a clear cause and effect not being talked about enough with the ratings being a direct result of changed to the CBA.

We can attribute a lot of this to the effects of the last couple CBAs. It created parity in a way that makes ratings difficult to attain, because ratings are often built on familiarity. People tune in for the faces and teams they are familiar with.

In the past, the factors that drive ratings would be:
1. Household names (LeBron, Steph, etc)
2. Big city markets

The new CBAs (supermax in 2017 and 2nd apron in 2023) are counterintuitive to the current and prior approach for driving ratings. They flattened big market spending advantage with the 2nd apron, and supermax deals made it harder to build championship teams around larger than life household names because they eat up a larger percentage of the cap. Big city markets used to be able to get around the spending problem by just absorbing the tax penalties and spending ungodly amounts of money, but the penalties are so harsh and punitive now that even big markets will baulk with the 2nd apron. And for #1, by the time a player becomes a household name, they are certainly well into their supermax era, so you have to build their supporting cast from the 65% of remaining cap space. Naturally, the lower max caps and lax penalties for big markets overspending in the past led to more big markets and household names in the finals.

On top of that, depth and versatility are more important than ever. You can hardly even play offensive or defensive liabilities very many minutes without them being exposed quickly. Both OKC and Indiana have 10+ man rotations where every guy is offensively and defensively capable. Boston won last year with this model as well, and in the finals, you had even Luka being hunted. Last series, Brunson was being hunted. In the modern pace and space style, you have to have 5 two way competent basketball players on the court at all times, which means you probably need at least 8 total. Building a team with 8 competent players who can do that is tough if your top players are making 35% of the cap.

We've also talked about how the new CBA limits a team's window, which also works against ratings. Boston is a big market and by virtue of winning a title had become more household names. But the 2nd apron crunch has effectively closed their window. Same thing happened to Denver, which led to them losing KCP and Brown. Indiana seems poised to keep this team together a long while, but OKC is going to have the same crunch in a couple years.


Many of us view parity as a good thing, but it is unquestionably bad for ratings. Familiarity with the names, faces and teams (as well as a bigger base of fans in big cities) is what brings people back year over year. The CBA makes it difficult to keep championship teams together and also keep household names surrounded with enough talent to succeed year over year.

Should the NBA adjust the CBA next time around to solve for this? As a Thunder fan, obviously I don't want big markets to get back their spending advantage, but I think there has to be ways to allow teams to keep championship teams together.


of course it's counterintuitive. it seeks parity, and parity is counterintuitive. silver is a sports marxist
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#62 » by wco81 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:59 pm

wco81 wrote:Ratings have been really poor through the first 5 games. Ratings for game 6 aren't in yet but so far, no game has broken 10 million viewers, though game 5 was at 9.54 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_television_ratings

Game 7 can be a boon, often see a spike in viewership when people anticipate that a game 6 or 7 could determine the championship.

Just for comparison, the Warriors-Cavs series often hit over 20 million viewers and game 7 of the 2016 Finals hit just over 31 million.


So NBA has an incentive to extend series and get to game 7s.


Big jump in game 7 ratings to 16.35 million viewers but the other 6 games were under 10 million viewers.

You can see how the other years did at that Wiki.

In addition basketball-related revenues for 2024-25 were lower than projected so players will have to give back 10% of their salaries. Among the reasons cited, small-market teams advanced the furthest in the playoffs, resulting in lower revenues from ticket sales and TV ratings.

Revenue Challenges Behind Shortfall

Overall revenue likely came in light due to the choppy local media environment and multiple small-market teams reaching the playoffs. The postseason gate receipts were dented by the lack of major-market teams in the final rounds.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281235/NBA-Players-Forfeit-$480M-From-Escrow-Fund-After-Revenue-Shortfall

Since the Finals, we've seen the Pacers reluctant to go into the luxury tax and as a result, Myles Turner signs with the Bucks.

Even though they lost in game 7, Pacers might have had greater ticket sales for 2025-26 season coming off a great playoffs run but with the injury to Haliburton and now the loss of Turner, Pacers fan enthusiasm may decline.

We may see playoffs officiating change to favor bigger market teams after the low ratings of this postseason. Or certainly not advantage a team like OKC which grabs and has its best player push off or do a lot of foul baiting.
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#63 » by Chuck Everett » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:07 pm

wco81 wrote:We may see playoffs officiating change to favor bigger market teams after the low ratings of this postseason.


So we may see outright fraud in hopes of boosting ratings?
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#64 » by wco81 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:11 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
wco81 wrote:We may see playoffs officiating change to favor bigger market teams after the low ratings of this postseason.


So we may see outright fraud in hopes of boosting ratings?



There was no fraudulent officiating in these playoffs? We had the "Extender" in game 4.
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#65 » by jkvonny » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:18 pm

wco81 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Ratings have been really poor through the first 5 games. Ratings for game 6 aren't in yet but so far, no game has broken 10 million viewers, though game 5 was at 9.54 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_television_ratings

Game 7 can be a boon, often see a spike in viewership when people anticipate that a game 6 or 7 could determine the championship.

Just for comparison, the Warriors-Cavs series often hit over 20 million viewers and game 7 of the 2016 Finals hit just over 31 million.


So NBA has an incentive to extend series and get to game 7s.


Big jump in game 7 ratings to 16.35 million viewers but the other 6 games were under 10 million viewers.

You can see how the other years did at that Wiki.

In addition basketball-related revenues for 2024-25 were lower than projected so players will have to give back 10% of their salaries. Among the reasons cited, small-market teams advanced the furthest in the playoffs, resulting in lower revenues from ticket sales and TV ratings.

Revenue Challenges Behind Shortfall

Overall revenue likely came in light due to the choppy local media environment and multiple small-market teams reaching the playoffs. The postseason gate receipts were dented by the lack of major-market teams in the final rounds.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281235/NBA-Players-Forfeit-$480M-From-Escrow-Fund-After-Revenue-Shortfall

Since the Finals, we've seen the Pacers reluctant to go into the luxury tax and as a result, Myles Turner signs with the Bucks.

Even though they lost in game 7, Pacers might have had greater ticket sales for 2025-26 season coming off a great playoffs run but with the injury to Haliburton and now the loss of Turner, Pacers fan enthusiasm may decline.

We may see playoffs officiating change to favor bigger market teams after the low ratings of this postseason. Or certainly not advantage a team like OKC which grabs and has its best player push off or do a lot of foul baiting.

So does that mean Philly Sixers, NY Knicks, Chicago Bulls, Houston Rockets will finally make it back to the NBA Finals?? It's been decades since they've last been there :lol:
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#66 » by Chuck Everett » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:22 pm

wco81 wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:
wco81 wrote:We may see playoffs officiating change to favor bigger market teams after the low ratings of this postseason.


So we may see outright fraud in hopes of boosting ratings?



There was no fraudulent officiating in these playoffs? We had the "Extender" in game 4.


I mean, I don't call Scott Foster that. I'm just saying, it's pretty jarring to read that we might see the playoffs officiating change to favor any team at all. Which basically calls into question that this is a rigged sport.
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#67 » by wco81 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:39 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
wco81 wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:
So we may see outright fraud in hopes of boosting ratings?



There was no fraudulent officiating in these playoffs? We had the "Extender" in game 4.


I mean, I don't call Scott Foster that. I'm just saying, it's pretty jarring to read that we might see the playoffs officiating change to favor any team at all. Which basically calls into question that this is a rigged sport.



In an ideal world, the officiating wouldn't favor the Lakers or the Thunder or any team.

But we live in a world with the NBA.

Certain players will get calls, generally superstars, generally big market teams. It's been this way since at least Bird vs. Magic. Stern was unapologetic about superstars getting calls. That's how we had dynasties in the 80s and 90s, so many cheap And 1s for the Lakers and the Celtics.

NBA isn't pure sport, it's entertainment. There is a huge amount of money on the line so they're not leaving anything to chance.
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Re: The new CBAs stifling of ratings 

Post#68 » by C3H6N6O6 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:44 pm

NBA gained the popularity on the back of superstar rivalry between Bird and Magic, Lakers and Celtics then a another marketable superstar in MJ then Kobe and Shaq followed by LeBron and then Curry came in.

You need marketable superstars to market any team. Lakers and Knicks are probably the only 2 teams that can have huge ratings even if they had boring teams as long as they are good.

NBA and NFL are very different. No point in comparing them.

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