Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[Memokerobi]

Naji is the superior player. Easily prefer to dump Niang or Hauser before Marshall.

Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.

Naji is a 6-8 Derrick White.

All the skills are there for a very well rounder, complete, hyper efficient NBA player. His shot is the only thing questionable...but seems to have improved in a sustainable way.

He is a point forward where as Hauser is a 1 trick poney, albeit, elite at shooting the ball. I would prefer to keep both Naji and Hauser for a differing skill set and drop Niang on someone instead.

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Moving the ball, directing teammates, cutting, swinging the ball, attacking the rim, knocking down shotsw.

Lol

I like him too and I agree he is better than Hauser but he’s nowhere near being as good as White, just stop

[klemen44]

Kessler would be perfect, last year he has low salary (4h million) so trading for him should not be a problem, we can combine 2 small salaries

2 first round picks and a young player Danny wants.

25 first and 27 first we can give imo, youn players worth anything we do not have

[jfs1000d]

That chism dude been mia for a long time.

Don't be a absentee owner. Go on record on why you're doing what you're doing and what the long term plan is.

They can't legally comment on any of the deals until they're made official on July 6th. For him to speak on any of the moves they've made right now would be in violation of league rules. You're just being impatient.

I'm actually just thinking about his comments he made when he was announced as the owner and how the off season moves don't align with his stated goal.

These league rules didn't stop Stevens from addressing it on draft night.

What on draft night did you want? They picked 28th.

You arent getting a starting center at 28. Go cheap thisbyesr, reset the repeater penalties, kick ass I. 26-27.


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[Larry_Russell]

Hauser is definitely better than Naji. He's a better offensive weapon and the drop off in defense isn't steep. Marshall is more well-rounded but advanced stats like Hauser in most cases and I think Naji is still riding high off a lone efficient season from 3 that's the outlier not the norm.

Naji is a 6-8 Derrick White.

All the skills are there for a very well rounder, complete, hyper efficient NBA player. His shot is the only thing questionable...but seems to have improved in a sustainable way.

He is a point forward where as Hauser is a 1 trick poney, albeit, elite at shooting the ball. I would prefer to keep both Naji and Hauser for a differing skill set and drop Niang on someone instead.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NBAShowtime

Moving the ball, directing teammates, cutting, swinging the ball, attacking the rim, knocking down shotsw.

Lol

I like him too and I agree he is better than Hauser but he’s nowhere near being as good as White, just stop

White prior Boston.

He is a do it all guy who plays some great defense, just doesn't have a consistent shot.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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[Hal14]

Does anyone think Brad might being trying to trade Simons and picks for a center? How would Kessler work in Boston? It would get us back under the 2nd apron.

Kessler is probably gonna end up signing his extension for more than Simons does..so that would likely put us in a tougher long term financial situation.

[cl2117]

Do any of you guys have particular "2nd draft" players you'd try to target?

Ignoring our cap situation, just imagine we've created enough room to be able to add whatever their rookie scale contract is, who are guys that still have the potential to reach their potential despite being duds so far?

That's where I'd like Brad to get us. Far enough under the tax line where we can make a Jaden Springer-esque acquisition or two and try to catch the resurgence of a guy who another team has written off. We've got the minutes to develop that kind of player for once but I'd also hope the fact that we've got the bones of a championship roster still around could be enough to give a 2nd draft kind of guy the ecosystem to break out.

[redslastlaugh]

I thought Brad would go after Jabari Walker who was a late 2nd round pick in the JDD draft.
Walker was buried in Portland but when he did play he was somewhat effective as far as plus-minus and on/off
And, against us, Jabari had a 30 point game where he hit like 6 threes

I was half-expecting Brad to swoop in and pick him up

If you want to think bigger, Jaime Jaquez had a sophomore slump but I think he's gonna get back to his earlier form, so he'd be worth a swing.

I still like Tristan Vukcevic too. And OKC gave up on Dillon Jones real fast, if he ends up buried in Washington, he'd be interesting too.

So there's four guys: Jabari, Jaquez, Vukcevic and Dillon Jones

Do any of you guys have particular "2nd draft" players you'd try to target?

Ignoring our cap situation, just imagine we've created enough room to be able to add whatever their rookie scale contract is, who are guys that still have the potential to reach their potential despite being duds so far?

That's where I'd like Brad to get us. Far enough under the tax line where we can make a Jaden Springer-esque acquisition or two and try to catch the resurgence of a guy who another team has written off. We've got the minutes to develop that kind of player for once but I'd also hope the fact that we've got the bones of a championship roster still around could be enough to give a 2nd draft kind of guy the ecosystem to break out.

[djFan71]

I thought Brad would go after Jabari Walker who was a late 2nd round pick in the JDD draft.
Walker was buried in Portland but when he did play he was somewhat effective as far as plus-minus and on/off
And, against us, Jabari had a 30 point game where he hit like 6 threes

I was half-expecting Brad to swoop in and pick him up

If you want to think bigger, Jaime Jaquez had a sophomore slump but I think he's gonna get back to his earlier form, so he'd be worth a swing.

I still like Tristan Vukcevic too. And OKC gave up on Dillon Jones real fast, if he ends up buried in Washington, he'd be interesting too.

So there's four guys: Jabari, Jaquez, Vukcevic and Dillon Jones

Do any of you guys have particular "2nd draft" players you'd try to target?

Ignoring our cap situation, just imagine we've created enough room to be able to add whatever their rookie scale contract is, who are guys that still have the potential to reach their potential despite being duds so far?

That's where I'd like Brad to get us. Far enough under the tax line where we can make a Jaden Springer-esque acquisition or two and try to catch the resurgence of a guy who another team has written off. We've got the minutes to develop that kind of player for once but I'd also hope the fact that we've got the bones of a championship roster still around could be enough to give a 2nd draft kind of guy the ecosystem to break out.

Not exclusively 2nd draft guys, but that's kinda what I was going for in this thread. Still some good names on here, just "how do we get them" type names. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2463140

[FlatearthZorro]

Kessler would be perfect, last year he has low salary (4h million) so trading for him should not be a problem, we can combine 2 small salaries

2 first round picks and a young player Danny wants.

25 first and 27 first we can give imo, youn players worth anything we do not have

Kessler would be a good starting center for us, problem is, we'd have to extend him straight away... which is not a good thing in our current situation.

[The Corey's]

They can't legally comment on any of the deals until they're made official on July 6th. For him to speak on any of the moves they've made right now would be in violation of league rules. You're just being impatient.

I'm actually just thinking about his comments he made when he was announced as the owner and how the off season moves don't align with his stated goal.

These league rules didn't stop Stevens from addressing it on draft night.

What on draft night did you want? They picked 28th.

You arent getting a starting center at 28. Go cheap thisbyesr, reset the repeater penalties, kick ass I. 26-27.


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That's not what I said. The pick meant nothing to me either way.

[Hal14]

Do any of you guys have particular "2nd draft" players you'd try to target?

Ignoring our cap situation, just imagine we've created enough room to be able to add whatever their rookie scale contract is, who are guys that still have the potential to reach their potential despite being duds so far?

That's where I'd like Brad to get us. Far enough under the tax line where we can make a Jaden Springer-esque acquisition or two and try to catch the resurgence of a guy who another team has written off. We've got the minutes to develop that kind of player for once but I'd also hope the fact that we've got the bones of a championship roster still around could be enough to give a 2nd draft kind of guy the ecosystem to break out.

We don't really have the roster spots to add more guys, right?

We're at the maximum of 15 guys on the standard roster now..if anything, we'll be looking to get rid of guys to get down to 14 so we're not paying extra $ for a 15h guy during a bridge year.

And we already have our 2-ways filled (Norris, Amari, Shulga) and if any guys on standard roster or 2-ways gets moved then Peterson is already in our building working out, who could get signed.

I think we already added our 2nd draft guys - Garza and Minott. Plus Simons is a guy who has only been on 1 team for his whole career, didn't play any college ball, is still pretty young, could benefit from a change of scenery so he's kind of like a 2nd draft guy..

Plus we also have guys like Lofton and Bridges on our summer league team who are kind of like 2nd draft guys..

[hugepatsfan]

Kessler would be perfect, last year he has low salary (4h million) so trading for him should not be a problem, we can combine 2 small salaries

2 first round picks and a young player Danny wants.

25 first and 27 first we can give imo, youn players worth anything we do not have

Kessler would be a good starting center for us, problem is, we'd have to extend him straight away... which is not a good thing in our current situation.

It's actually perfect for us. Rookie extensions get signed before the season but don't kick in until after the year. His $4,878,938 salary remains untouched for this year and then whatever extension they agree to starts next year. That lines up perfectly for us with the expiring deals of Simons/Niang accommodating the extension.

If we traded Tillman/Davison/Walsh/picks for Kessler we'd be $1.8M under the 2nd apron with 13 players signed. We'd be hard capped at the 2nd apron though. Still, that's enough room to sign one of the rookies for the last spot (not anyone with more years of experience though).

White / Pritchard
Simons / Gonzalez / Shulga
Brown / Scheierman
Hauser / Niang / Minott
Kessler / Queta / Garza

[Hal14]

Kessler would be perfect, last year he has low salary (4h million) so trading for him should not be a problem, we can combine 2 small salaries

2 first round picks and a young player Danny wants.

25 first and 27 first we can give imo, youn players worth anything we do not have

Kessler would be a good starting center for us, problem is, we'd have to extend him straight away... which is not a good thing in our current situation.

It's actually perfect for us. Rookie extensions get signed before the season but don't kick in until after the year. His $4,878,938 salary remains untouched for this year and then whatever extension they agree to starts next year. That lines up perfectly for us with the expiring deals of Simons/Niang accommodating the extension.

If we traded Tillman/Davison/Walsh/picks for Kessler we'd be $1.8M under the 2nd apron with 13 players signed. We'd be hard capped at the 2nd apron though. Still, that's enough room to sign one of the rookies for the last spot (not anyone with more years of experience though).

White / Pritchard
Simons / Gonzalez / Shulga
Brown / Scheierman
Hauser / Niang / Minott
Kessler / Queta / Garza

While that's nice for the 25-26 season, acquiring Kessler would still put us in a financial bind for 26-27 season and beyond since he's likely to earn like $115-$125 mil over 5 years for his extension. That's a lot of money to pay a guy, given the amount of $ we already have tied long term to Tatum/Brown/White, not to mention Hauser and Pritchard..

With what you're suggesting, we'd have 5 guys making over $10mil a year and 6 guys making over $8mil a year long term..that seems like a lot, for a team with 2 guys on supermax contracts.

I think that given the $ tied up in Tatum/Brown/White, whoever is 4th on the team in salary would ideally be like $20mil a year or less. I doubt Kessler is signing for that low of an amount. Simons though might sign for that low of an amount..

Also, Kessler is just a guy who blocks shots, dunks and sets screens. We could probably find a cheaper option for that role, rather than paying like $25mil a year for it.

[hugepatsfan]

Kessler would be a good starting center for us, problem is, we'd have to extend him straight away... which is not a good thing in our current situation.

It's actually perfect for us. Rookie extensions get signed before the season but don't kick in until after the year. His $4,878,938 salary remains untouched for this year and then whatever extension they agree to starts next year. That lines up perfectly for us with the expiring deals of Simons/Niang accommodating the extension.

If we traded Tillman/Davison/Walsh/picks for Kessler we'd be $1.8M under the 2nd apron with 13 players signed. We'd be hard capped at the 2nd apron though. Still, that's enough room to sign one of the rookies for the last spot (not anyone with more years of experience though).

White / Pritchard
Simons / Gonzalez / Shulga
Brown / Scheierman
Hauser / Niang / Minott
Kessler / Queta / Garza

While that's nice for the 25-26 season, acquiring Kessler would still put us in a financial bind for 26-27 season and beyond since he's likely to earn like $115-$125 mil over 5 years for his extension. That's a lot of money to pay a guy, given the amount of $ we already have tied long term to Tatum/Brown/White, not to mention Hauser and Pritchard..

With what you're suggesting, we'd have 5 guys making over $10mil a year and 6 guys making over $8mil a year long term..that seems like a lot, for a team with 2 guys on supermax contracts.

I think that given the $ tied up in Tatum/Brown/White, whoever is 4th on the team in salary would ideally be like $20mil a year or less. I doubt Kessler is signing for that low of an amount. Simons though might sign for that low of an amount..

Also, Kessler is just a guy who blocks shots, dunks and sets screens. We could probably find a cheaper option for that role, rather than paying like $25mil a year for it.

Not really a bind. If Kessler gets that number (which I think is kind of a high projection - I'd say he's more like Gafford or Okongwu on his next deal) then they can afford it and stay a reasonably tax team if they keep Hauser. If they want to pay him that and dip under the tax, then they have to move Hauser between now and next year. If Kessler is valued more similarly to Gafford or Okongwu, like I expect his extension will be, then they can extend him for that number and keep Hauser along with Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard as well.

Simons would probably sign for $20M because that's more than anyone is going to pay him on his next deal unless he massively improves this year. He's full MLE at best in this new CBA, IMO.

[Larry_Russell]

Are we actually getting Dame in a 2 year deal?

[chrisab123]

Are we actually getting Dame in a 2 year deal?

He’s not coming.

[Curmudgeon]

The Thunder have too many guys named Williams. I'd like Stephens to trade for Kenrich or Jaylin.

[Hal14]

It's actually perfect for us. Rookie extensions get signed before the season but don't kick in until after the year. His $4,878,938 salary remains untouched for this year and then whatever extension they agree to starts next year. That lines up perfectly for us with the expiring deals of Simons/Niang accommodating the extension.

If we traded Tillman/Davison/Walsh/picks for Kessler we'd be $1.8M under the 2nd apron with 13 players signed. We'd be hard capped at the 2nd apron though. Still, that's enough room to sign one of the rookies for the last spot (not anyone with more years of experience though).

White / Pritchard
Simons / Gonzalez / Shulga
Brown / Scheierman
Hauser / Niang / Minott
Kessler / Queta / Garza

While that's nice for the 25-26 season, acquiring Kessler would still put us in a financial bind for 26-27 season and beyond since he's likely to earn like $115-$125 mil over 5 years for his extension. That's a lot of money to pay a guy, given the amount of $ we already have tied long term to Tatum/Brown/White, not to mention Hauser and Pritchard..

With what you're suggesting, we'd have 5 guys making over $10mil a year and 6 guys making over $8mil a year long term..that seems like a lot, for a team with 2 guys on supermax contracts.

I think that given the $ tied up in Tatum/Brown/White, whoever is 4th on the team in salary would ideally be like $20mil a year or less. I doubt Kessler is signing for that low of an amount. Simons though might sign for that low of an amount..

Also, Kessler is just a guy who blocks shots, dunks and sets screens. We could probably find a cheaper option for that role, rather than paying like $25mil a year for it.

Not really a bind. If Kessler gets that number (which I think is kind of a high projection - I'd say he's more like Gafford or Okongwu on his next deal) then they can afford it and stay a reasonably tax team if they keep Hauser. If they want to pay him that and dip under the tax, then they have to move Hauser between now and next year. If Kessler is valued more similarly to Gafford or Okongwu, like I expect his extension will be, then they can extend him for that number and keep Hauser along with Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard as well.

Simons would probably sign for $20M because that's more than anyone is going to pay him on his next deal unless he massively improves this year. He's full MLE at best in this new CBA, IMO.

Per Keith Smith:

Look for an extension in the range of four-years, $120 million for Kessler.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2761/utah-jazz-2025-offseason-preview

So that's $30mil a year, compared to Gafford ($18 mil a year) and Okongwu $15.5 mil a year)

Gafford is much older than Kessler/Okongwu are. As old as Gafford is and he's just a backup big - I'm surprised he got as much as he did, but Dallas has been going a bit crazy with some of their moves and some of the contracts they've given out. Okongwue and Gafford are both basically career backups. Kessler is a starter and actually has size to play the center position, he's a 7-footer who moves well for a 7-footer and is young. Gafford and Okongwu (especially Okongwu) are a bit undersized at C. So it's not a great comparison..

[hugepatsfan]

While that's nice for the 25-26 season, acquiring Kessler would still put us in a financial bind for 26-27 season and beyond since he's likely to earn like $115-$125 mil over 5 years for his extension. That's a lot of money to pay a guy, given the amount of $ we already have tied long term to Tatum/Brown/White, not to mention Hauser and Pritchard..

With what you're suggesting, we'd have 5 guys making over $10mil a year and 6 guys making over $8mil a year long term..that seems like a lot, for a team with 2 guys on supermax contracts.

I think that given the $ tied up in Tatum/Brown/White, whoever is 4th on the team in salary would ideally be like $20mil a year or less. I doubt Kessler is signing for that low of an amount. Simons though might sign for that low of an amount..

Also, Kessler is just a guy who blocks shots, dunks and sets screens. We could probably find a cheaper option for that role, rather than paying like $25mil a year for it.

Not really a bind. If Kessler gets that number (which I think is kind of a high projection - I'd say he's more like Gafford or Okongwu on his next deal) then they can afford it and stay a reasonably tax team if they keep Hauser. If they want to pay him that and dip under the tax, then they have to move Hauser between now and next year. If Kessler is valued more similarly to Gafford or Okongwu, like I expect his extension will be, then they can extend him for that number and keep Hauser along with Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard as well.

Simons would probably sign for $20M because that's more than anyone is going to pay him on his next deal unless he massively improves this year. He's full MLE at best in this new CBA, IMO.

Per Keith Smith:

Look for an extension in the range of four-years, $120 million for Kessler.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2761/utah-jazz-2025-offseason-preview

So that's $30mil a year, compared to Gafford ($18 mil a year) and Okongwu $15.5 mil a year)

Gafford is much older than Kessler/Okongwu are. As old as Gafford is and he's just a backup big - I'm surprised he got as much as he did, but Dallas has been going a bit crazy with some of their moves and some of the contracts they've given out. Okongwue and Gafford are both basically career backups. Kessler is a starter and actually has size to play the center position, he's a 7-footer who moves well for a 7-footer and is young. Gafford and Okongwu (especially Okongwu) are a bit undersized at C. So it's not a great comparison..

Respectfully, I disagree with Smitty on that one. I don't think Kessler is really that good. He's a starting caliber center, sure, but on the low end. Last year was his first year starting and it was the worst team int he NBA. Not saying it's all his fault, but I don't think him as a starter was particularrly an elevating factor either.

I can get behind worth more than OO/Gafford. But I think they got like $16M/year. I think Kessler getting twice that is crazy. I can see $20M, $25M on the high end. If he gets $20M then we can avoid the tax next year and keep Hauser with him, assuming it's a backloaded deal. If $25M, we'd need to move Hauser's money which I lean yes but kinda question if it's good value. If he gets $30M, I bow the heck out of any bidding for him.