[Shams] Myles Turner signs with the Bucks (4-year, $107 million)

[ConSarnit]

The whole thing is what the Bucks fanbase wants.
They wanted to ride with Giannis until the end of days. They don't seem to care about what will happen when Giannis eventually retires(or leaves). I think all of them know that they will be trash for years when this era ends.
And they embrace it.

It's their choice. If they want to dream about championships and glory days, who are you or me or anyone to forbid them that right?
If they believe that Porter can elevate to a star status and cover for Lillard, it's their belief.
Mocking another fanbase because they want to dream and hope is idiotic.

The problem with the guy i quoted(like many others on this thread) is that they post all the things they're posting because Giannis plays in Milwaukee.

I don't see 15 and 20 pages threads about the Wizards or the Hornets or the Raptors.
Why? Because none of these teams have a Giannis.

Like if Giannis leaves, do you think we're going to have daily threads about the Bucks?
Nobody will care.

Bucks fanbase knows that. They will probably never have the chance again in their lifetime to have a guy like that. Let them without trashing them.

Not all teams are the Lakers or the Celtics.

Im sorry, this is a BS argument. Bucks fans are using whataboutisms to try and discredit other posters opinions but we’re supposed to “leave the delicate Bucks fans alone!” There is big difference between hope and just plain lacking objectivity (which Bucks fans are doing in this thread). If they think they actually have a chance at contending with KPJ/Trent/Kuzma as their starting 1-3 they deserve to get pushed back on. Bucks fans don’t get to live in some protective bubble against criticism just because they have Giannis on their team.

Again. You continue to not understand.
The Bucks hold 2 picks that are going to be very valuable when the time comes.
2031 and 2032 firsts. That's probably lottery picks by then.
Kuzma is going to be an expiring next season.

If you make these 2 picks available (even with a swap) + the expiring of Kuzma you can get a pretty good player.
If you don't understand that i can't help you.
From the moment they did what they did with Dame, they're going all the way trading everything. And they have the most valuable picks now since everyone know that they're hoing to suck post 2030.
They're playing in the East. At some point people must understand that 1+1=2.

What are you talking about about? Nowhere in the post I responded to were you talking about trading Kuzma. I’m talking about you defending Bucks fans when they are also attacking other posters. What part of that don’t you get? Bucks fans don’t just get to use whataboutisms to try and discredit the valid concerns that linger about their team. They are not impervious to criticism as you would apparently prefer them to be.

Also, you are wrong about trading Kuzma because it’s not going to get the Bucks the types of players(s) they need. Consider their title winning team:

Lopez = Turner
Giannis = Giannis
Middleton = ?
Jrue = ?

We’re talking about having to replace 2 all-star level players in Middleton and Jrue. Kuzma, a 1st and a swap doesn’t get you 2 all-stars. The Bucks paid more draft assets than they currently have for both Jrue and Dame. How do you supposed the acquire a Middleton level player as well? This doesn’t even touch on trying to round out the roster with a $22.5m unusable hole in their cap. That’s starter level dead salary.

Can’t you see how behind the 8-ball the Bucks are when it comes to trying to build a contending team? Not only do they need 1-2 more all-star level players they are one of the more asset poor teams in the league AND they are basically relegated to operate under a cap environment from 3 years ago because of the $22.5m dead money.

[KGtabake]

Im sorry, this is a BS argument. Bucks fans are using whataboutisms to try and discredit other posters opinions but we’re supposed to “leave the delicate Bucks fans alone!” There is big difference between hope and just plain lacking objectivity (which Bucks fans are doing in this thread). If they think they actually have a chance at contending with KPJ/Trent/Kuzma as their starting 1-3 they deserve to get pushed back on. Bucks fans don’t get to live in some protective bubble against criticism just because they have Giannis on their team.

Again. You continue to not understand.
The Bucks hold 2 picks that are going to be very valuable when the time comes.
2031 and 2032 firsts. That's probably lottery picks by then.
Kuzma is going to be an expiring next season.

If you make these 2 picks available (even with a swap) + the expiring of Kuzma you can get a pretty good player.
If you don't understand that i can't help you.
From the moment they did what they did with Dame, they're going all the way trading everything. And they have the most valuable picks now since everyone know that they're hoing to suck post 2030.
They're playing in the East. At some point people must understand that 1+1=2.

What are you talking about about? Nowhere in the post I responded to were you talking about trading Kuzma. I’m talking about you defending Bucks fans when they are also attacking other posters. What part of that don’t you get? Bucks fans don’t just get to use whataboutisms to try and discredit the valid concerns that linger about their team. They are not impervious to criticism as you would apparently prefer them to be.

Also, you are wrong about trading Kuzma because it’s not going to get the Bucks the types of players(s) they need. Consider their title winning team:

Lopez = Turner
Giannis = Giannis
Middleton = ?
Jrue = ?

We’re talking about having to replace 2 all-star level players in Middleton and Jrue. Kuzma, a 1st and a swap doesn’t get you 2 all-stars. The Bucks paid more draft assets than they currently have for both Jrue and Dame. How do you supposed the acquire a Middleton level player as well? This doesn’t even touch on trying to round out the roster with a $22.5m unusable hole in their cap. That’s starter level dead salary.

Can’t you see how behind the 8-ball the Bucks are when it comes to trying to build a contending team? Not only do they need 1-2 more all-star level players they are one of the more asset poor teams in the league AND they are basically relegated to operate under a cap environment from 3 years ago because of the $22.5m dead money.

In 2021 none of Holiday and Middleton were All Stars brother. Only Giannis was an All Star.
That's one.

Mikal Bridges was traded for 5 picks. Non lottery picks.
Desmond Bane was traded for 4 picks. Non lottery picks.

That's what the market dictates at the moment.
If you don't think that 2 highly probable lottery picks can net you a good wing you are the one that doesn't understand the market.

[ConSarnit]

Again. You continue to not understand.
The Bucks hold 2 picks that are going to be very valuable when the time comes.
2031 and 2032 firsts. That's probably lottery picks by then.
Kuzma is going to be an expiring next season.

If you make these 2 picks available (even with a swap) + the expiring of Kuzma you can get a pretty good player.
If you don't understand that i can't help you.
From the moment they did what they did with Dame, they're going all the way trading everything. And they have the most valuable picks now since everyone know that they're hoing to suck post 2030.
They're playing in the East. At some point people must understand that 1+1=2.

What are you talking about about? Nowhere in the post I responded to were you talking about trading Kuzma. I’m talking about you defending Bucks fans when they are also attacking other posters. What part of that don’t you get? Bucks fans don’t just get to use whataboutisms to try and discredit the valid concerns that linger about their team. They are not impervious to criticism as you would apparently prefer them to be.

Also, you are wrong about trading Kuzma because it’s not going to get the Bucks the types of players(s) they need. Consider their title winning team:

Lopez = Turner
Giannis = Giannis
Middleton = ?
Jrue = ?

We’re talking about having to replace 2 all-star level players in Middleton and Jrue. Kuzma, a 1st and a swap doesn’t get you 2 all-stars. The Bucks paid more draft assets than they currently have for both Jrue and Dame. How do you supposed the acquire a Middleton level player as well? This doesn’t even touch on trying to round out the roster with a $22.5m unusable hole in their cap. That’s starter level dead salary.

Can’t you see how behind the 8-ball the Bucks are when it comes to trying to build a contending team? Not only do they need 1-2 more all-star level players they are one of the more asset poor teams in the league AND they are basically relegated to operate under a cap environment from 3 years ago because of the $22.5m dead money.

In 2021 none of Holiday and Middleton were All Stars brother. Only Giannis was an All Star.
That's one.

Mikal Bridges was traded for 5 picks. Non lottery picks.
Desmond Bane was traded for 4 picks. Non lottery picks.

That's what the market dictates at the moment.
If you don't think that 2 highly probable lottery picks can net you a good wing you are the one that doesn't understand the market.

Please outline some trades you would make that are going to acquire the Bucks both a Jrue AND Middleton level player.

Here are Jrue’s and Middleton’s accomplishments prior to the Bucks winning the title:

Jrue: 1x all-star, 2x all-defense

Middleton: 2x all-star

If you want a decent example of the value of what an unprotected 2032 1st gets you please refer to the MPJ (a bad contract like Kuzma) for Johnson (nowhere near an all-star) trade. The outgoing salary in your trades is a negative value deal (Kuzma). The Bane trade has 3 unprotected 1sts (and a 2029 swap) that go out until 2030 so calling them “non-lotto” is completely speculative considering we have no idea where those picks will land. Same for the Bridges trade which gave up unprotected picks in 27, 29 and 31 (and a swap in 28).

It’s completely unrealistic to think the Bucks can replace both Jrue and Middleton with 1 unprotected 1st, a swap and a bad contract (Kuzma) considering the packages we’ve just seen for Bridges and Bane (both zero time all-stars).

[KGtabake]

What are you talking about about? Nowhere in the post I responded to were you talking about trading Kuzma. I’m talking about you defending Bucks fans when they are also attacking other posters. What part of that don’t you get? Bucks fans don’t just get to use whataboutisms to try and discredit the valid concerns that linger about their team. They are not impervious to criticism as you would apparently prefer them to be.

Also, you are wrong about trading Kuzma because it’s not going to get the Bucks the types of players(s) they need. Consider their title winning team:

Lopez = Turner
Giannis = Giannis
Middleton = ?
Jrue = ?

We’re talking about having to replace 2 all-star level players in Middleton and Jrue. Kuzma, a 1st and a swap doesn’t get you 2 all-stars. The Bucks paid more draft assets than they currently have for both Jrue and Dame. How do you supposed the acquire a Middleton level player as well? This doesn’t even touch on trying to round out the roster with a $22.5m unusable hole in their cap. That’s starter level dead salary.

Can’t you see how behind the 8-ball the Bucks are when it comes to trying to build a contending team? Not only do they need 1-2 more all-star level players they are one of the more asset poor teams in the league AND they are basically relegated to operate under a cap environment from 3 years ago because of the $22.5m dead money.

In 2021 none of Holiday and Middleton were All Stars brother. Only Giannis was an All Star.
That's one.

Mikal Bridges was traded for 5 picks. Non lottery picks.
Desmond Bane was traded for 4 picks. Non lottery picks.

That's what the market dictates at the moment.
If you don't think that 2 highly probable lottery picks can net you a good wing you are the one that doesn't understand the market.

Please outline some trades you would make that are going to acquire the Bucks both a Jrue AND Middleton level player.

Here are Jrue’s and Middleton’s accomplishments prior to the Bucks winning the title:

Jrue: 1x all-star, 2x all-defense

Middleton: 2x all-star

If you want a decent example of the value of what an unprotected 2032 1st gets you please refer to the MPJ (a bad contract like Kuzma) for Johnson (nowhere near an all-star) trade. The outgoing salary in your trades is a negative value deal (Kuzma). The Bane trade has 3 unprotected 1sts (and a 2029 swap) that go out until 2030 so calling them “non-lotto” is completely speculative considering we have no idea where those picks will land. Same for the Bridges trade which gave up unprotected picks in 27, 29 and 31 (and a swap in 28).

It’s completely unrealistic to think the Bucks can replace both Jrue and Middleton with 1 unprotected 1st, a swap and a bad contract (Kuzma) considering the packages we’ve just seen for Bridges and Bane (both zero time all-stars).

Τhey don't need to replace BOTH.
It's an Eastern Conference extremely weakened.
My Celtics are going to tank the season (i hope).
The Conference Champions will be without their Star and their Center(who now plays for the Bucks).
The strongest team in the Conference are the New York Knicks. There's also a Cleveland team who shows that there's something missing in the playoffs and 2 teams in Orlando and Detroit who are up and coming. But no powerhouses.
And there's also Philly. You see how Philly performs in the Embiid era.

What makes you think that a Giannis led squad of role players can't reach the Finals next season?
Are they favourites? Lol no.
But which team is a powerhouse? Who should they be afraid of?

Kuzma and 2 first round lottery picks can't get you a Bridges? A Holmes? A Johnson?
Really?

[Sixers in 4]

In 2021 none of Holiday and Middleton were All Stars brother. Only Giannis was an All Star.
That's one.

Mikal Bridges was traded for 5 picks. Non lottery picks.
Desmond Bane was traded for 4 picks. Non lottery picks.

That's what the market dictates at the moment.
If you don't think that 2 highly probable lottery picks can net you a good wing you are the one that doesn't understand the market.

Please outline some trades you would make that are going to acquire the Bucks both a Jrue AND Middleton level player.

Here are Jrue’s and Middleton’s accomplishments prior to the Bucks winning the title:

Jrue: 1x all-star, 2x all-defense

Middleton: 2x all-star

If you want a decent example of the value of what an unprotected 2032 1st gets you please refer to the MPJ (a bad contract like Kuzma) for Johnson (nowhere near an all-star) trade. The outgoing salary in your trades is a negative value deal (Kuzma). The Bane trade has 3 unprotected 1sts (and a 2029 swap) that go out until 2030 so calling them “non-lotto” is completely speculative considering we have no idea where those picks will land. Same for the Bridges trade which gave up unprotected picks in 27, 29 and 31 (and a swap in 28).

It’s completely unrealistic to think the Bucks can replace both Jrue and Middleton with 1 unprotected 1st, a swap and a bad contract (Kuzma) considering the packages we’ve just seen for Bridges and Bane (both zero time all-stars).

Τhey don't need to replace BOTH.
It's an Eastern Conference extremely weakened.
My Celtics are going to tank the season (i hope).
The Conference Champions will be without their Star and their Center(who now plays for the Bucks).
The strongest team in the Conference are the New York Knicks. There's also a Cleveland team who shows that there's something missing in the playoffs and 2 teams in Orlando and Detroit who are up and coming. But no powerhouses.
And there's also Philly. You see how Philly performs in the Embiid era.

What makes you think that a Giannis led squad of role players can't reach the Finals next season?
Are they favourites? Lol no.
But which team is a powerhouse? Who should they be afraid of?

Kuzma and 2 first round lottery picks can't get you a Bridges? A Holmes? A Johnson?
Really?

So you know the Bucks are going to be in the lottery in 2032? Miss Cleo in the house.

Watch on YouTube

And no Kuzma and two future first round picks that won't help whatever GM is trading for them keep their job is not as valuable as five first rounders.

[KGtabake]

Please outline some trades you would make that are going to acquire the Bucks both a Jrue AND Middleton level player.

Here are Jrue’s and Middleton’s accomplishments prior to the Bucks winning the title:

Jrue: 1x all-star, 2x all-defense

Middleton: 2x all-star

If you want a decent example of the value of what an unprotected 2032 1st gets you please refer to the MPJ (a bad contract like Kuzma) for Johnson (nowhere near an all-star) trade. The outgoing salary in your trades is a negative value deal (Kuzma). The Bane trade has 3 unprotected 1sts (and a 2029 swap) that go out until 2030 so calling them “non-lotto” is completely speculative considering we have no idea where those picks will land. Same for the Bridges trade which gave up unprotected picks in 27, 29 and 31 (and a swap in 28).

It’s completely unrealistic to think the Bucks can replace both Jrue and Middleton with 1 unprotected 1st, a swap and a bad contract (Kuzma) considering the packages we’ve just seen for Bridges and Bane (both zero time all-stars).

Τhey don't need to replace BOTH.
It's an Eastern Conference extremely weakened.
My Celtics are going to tank the season (i hope).
The Conference Champions will be without their Star and their Center(who now plays for the Bucks).
The strongest team in the Conference are the New York Knicks. There's also a Cleveland team who shows that there's something missing in the playoffs and 2 teams in Orlando and Detroit who are up and coming. But no powerhouses.
And there's also Philly. You see how Philly performs in the Embiid era.

What makes you think that a Giannis led squad of role players can't reach the Finals next season?
Are they favourites? Lol no.
But which team is a powerhouse? Who should they be afraid of?

Kuzma and 2 first round lottery picks can't get you a Bridges? A Holmes? A Johnson?
Really?

So you know the Bucks are going to be in the lottery in 2032? Miss Cleo in the house.

Watch on YouTube

And no Kuzma and two future first round picks that won't help whatever GM is trading for them keep their job is not as valuable as five first rounders.

Let's see.
By 2032 Giannis will be gone.
They won't have any picks in between 2026 and 2033.
No championship aspirations, no stars, no rising youngsters.

Yes, i think it's pretty safe to say these picks are going to be top5.
It's like the Celtics-Nets trade of 2013.
Everyone could predict what would happen with the Nets pick of 2017 for example. Still, the Nets did it because they wanted a ring right away.

[Sixers in 4]

Τhey don't need to replace BOTH.
It's an Eastern Conference extremely weakened.
My Celtics are going to tank the season (i hope).
The Conference Champions will be without their Star and their Center(who now plays for the Bucks).
The strongest team in the Conference are the New York Knicks. There's also a Cleveland team who shows that there's something missing in the playoffs and 2 teams in Orlando and Detroit who are up and coming. But no powerhouses.
And there's also Philly. You see how Philly performs in the Embiid era.

What makes you think that a Giannis led squad of role players can't reach the Finals next season?
Are they favourites? Lol no.
But which team is a powerhouse? Who should they be afraid of?

Kuzma and 2 first round lottery picks can't get you a Bridges? A Holmes? A Johnson?
Really?

So you know the Bucks are going to be in the lottery in 2032? Miss Cleo in the house.

Watch on YouTube

And no Kuzma and two future first round picks that won't help whatever GM is trading for them keep their job is not as valuable as five first rounders.

Let's see.
By 2032 Giannis will be gone.
They won't have any picks in between 2026 and 2033.
No championship aspirations, no stars, no rising youngsters.

Yes, i think it's pretty safe to say these picks are going to be top5.
It's like the Celtics-Nets trade of 2013.
Everyone could predict what would happen with the Nets pick of 2017 for example. Still, the Nets did it because they wanted a ring right away.

Giannis could be gone in 2027 that doesn't change the fact I am not going to prognosticate that the Bucks are going to be a lottery team in 2032. Not to mention to be a high lottery team you almost have to intentionally suck because if you even show the least bit effort to be competitive you have a decent shot of the playin.

Last year the bull made the playin for FFS.

[ConSarnit]

In 2021 none of Holiday and Middleton were All Stars brother. Only Giannis was an All Star.
That's one.

Mikal Bridges was traded for 5 picks. Non lottery picks.
Desmond Bane was traded for 4 picks. Non lottery picks.

That's what the market dictates at the moment.
If you don't think that 2 highly probable lottery picks can net you a good wing you are the one that doesn't understand the market.

Please outline some trades you would make that are going to acquire the Bucks both a Jrue AND Middleton level player.

Here are Jrue’s and Middleton’s accomplishments prior to the Bucks winning the title:

Jrue: 1x all-star, 2x all-defense

Middleton: 2x all-star

If you want a decent example of the value of what an unprotected 2032 1st gets you please refer to the MPJ (a bad contract like Kuzma) for Johnson (nowhere near an all-star) trade. The outgoing salary in your trades is a negative value deal (Kuzma). The Bane trade has 3 unprotected 1sts (and a 2029 swap) that go out until 2030 so calling them “non-lotto” is completely speculative considering we have no idea where those picks will land. Same for the Bridges trade which gave up unprotected picks in 27, 29 and 31 (and a swap in 28).

It’s completely unrealistic to think the Bucks can replace both Jrue and Middleton with 1 unprotected 1st, a swap and a bad contract (Kuzma) considering the packages we’ve just seen for Bridges and Bane (both zero time all-stars).

Τhey don't need to replace BOTH.
It's an Eastern Conference extremely weakened.
My Celtics are going to tank the season (i hope).
The Conference Champions will be without their Star and their Center(who now plays for the Bucks).
The strongest team in the Conference are the New York Knicks. There's also a Cleveland team who shows that there's something missing in the playoffs and 2 teams in Orlando and Detroit who are up and coming. But no powerhouses.
And there's also Philly. You see how Philly performs in the Embiid era.

What makes you think that a Giannis led squad of role players can't reach the Finals next season?
Are they favourites? Lol no.
But which team is a powerhouse? Who should they be afraid of?

Kuzma and 2 first round lottery picks can't get you a Bridges? A Holmes? A Johnson?
Really?

You can’t get a Bridges level player. PHX just traded in an unprotected 1st for 3 guaranteed late 1sts. That’s still far off from the Bridges package.

You think Cam Johnson makes the Bucks contenders? Giannis got the Bucks to the finals one time with a much stronger roster than KPJ/Trent/Johnson at the 1-3. Johnson is a worse player than both the Jrue and Middleton title Bucks. Lopez during the title run is also probably better than current Turner. The Bucks have not been some juggernaut who was only slowed by injury. They would need a clear cut multi-time all-star to be a contender and they no longer have the assets for that type of trade. They have some of the worst draft assets in the league and zero young upside players or even good vets (like Jrue in the Dame trade) to grease the wheels in a trade.

[JustBuzzin]

I think this signing basically guarantees Giannis stays with the Bucks for his entire career. He seems like a loyal dude. If he wanted out he could have easily got his wish.

He probably pushed for this deal. You don't make this kind of commitment if you didn't think Giannis would stick it out long-term.

[AussieBuck]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

I may end up just way wrong I think, I think Myles Turner has to be ****ing awesome to make this move. Sucked in conference finals and finals.

idk man, good luck to the bucks if i’m wrong i’ll come back and admit it. I can’t get excited about what is essentially 50M a year for Myles Turner.

We got the best 3 and D C in the league by changing the shape of a $110m+ salary hole in our roster. Didn't have to give up any picks, got the best FA of the year. Hell, he's the greatest external FA signing in franchise history.

I could have lived with the gap year thing like we did in 23, but the Bucks want to try to win every year. If we'd just waited out Dame this year and traded him next offseason, we'd only be doing it for a good player on a bloated contract anyway. This is a year early and we got a guy who fits.

It won't be the last move, it's an improvement though. I wouldn't have even bothered posting on the GB but I just found the stuff in this thread so very funny. The Bucks had 7 of their own free agents they needed to sign with stuff all money and had to replace our starting C who is moving home to semi-retirement. It's been an amazing start to the offseason given the team was just Giannis and AJ Green a week ago.

[Sixers in 4]

I think this signing basically guarantees Giannis stays with the Bucks for his entire career. He seems like a loyal dude. If he wanted out he could have easily got his wish.

He probably pushed for this deal. You don't make this kind of commitment if you didn't think Giannis would stick it out long-term.

I think the exact opposite this is a desperation move. If you are the Bucks and you know Giannis is going to stay you keep Dame and see what he looks like after next year.

This reminds me when the Irving was gifted to Boston because they had to get an impact player back and got Isiah. Lebron still left

[GiannisAnte34]

I think this signing basically guarantees Giannis stays with the Bucks for his entire career. He seems like a loyal dude. If he wanted out he could have easily got his wish.

He probably pushed for this deal. You don't make this kind of commitment if you didn't think Giannis would stick it out long-term.

I think the exact opposite this is a desperation move. If you are the Bucks and you know Giannis is going to stay you keep Dame and see what he looks like after next year.

This reminds me when the Irving was gifted to Boston because they had to get an impact player back and got Isiah. Lebron still left

no other star thinks like LeBron except KD and Harden constantly jumping teams, why draw that comparison when it's abundantly clear that Giannis doesn't have that mentality?

[Wooderson]

The Bucks, however, lost Dame in addition to Lopez. With KPJ as your top scoring guard or small forward, how will that lineup score?

The Bucks substituted an 11 FGA and 16 PPG player for the 31.1 shots and 43 points per game lost with extremely efficient scoring. This thread is filled with a great deal of delusion. Show me the last team that advanced in the postseason despite having a guard and a small forward as bad as the Bucks.

That FO better have a miracle to pull out of it's hat because a lineup of

PG: KPJ
SG: Trent Jr
SF: AJ Green
PF: Giannis
C: Turner

That is god awful.

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

You mean amazing results in comparison with other lineups the bucks put on the court ?

Nope, just amazing in general. The 4 man unit of Giannis/KPJ/Trent/Green had a +44 NetRtg. Small sample 111 minutes yes, but basically all iterations of those lineups killed it.

Giannis/Green/Trent had a +22 NetRtg in 328 minutes
Giannis/Green alone had a +15 NetRtg in in 779 minutes (and it had nothing to do with Dame, Giannis/Green were +14 NetRtg in 458 minutes without Dame)
Giannis/KPJ/Green were +38 NetRtg

Now obviously no one expects that level to continue across a full season. But Bucks have a recipe with Giannis + shooters and playing faster. A lot depends on Doc keeping his head out of his ass and limiting Kuz/Prince to bench roles.

But their D should be much better with Turner and no Dame (Brooks D was meh the regular season despite many still thinking his current iteration is anywhere close to Turner).

[Packbuckman]

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

You mean amazing results in comparison with other lineups the bucks put on the court ?

Nope, just amazing in general. The 4 man unit of Giannis/KPJ/Trent/Green had a +44 NetRtg. Small sample 111 minutes yes, but basically all iterations of those lineups killed it.

Giannis/Green/Trent had a +22 NetRtg in 328 minutes
Giannis/Green alone had a +15 NetRtg in in 779 minutes (and it had nothing to do with Dame, Giannis/Green were +14 NetRtg in 458 minutes without Dame)
Giannis/KPJ/Green were +38 NetRtg

Now obviously no one expects that level to continue across a full season. But Bucks have a recipe with Giannis + shooters and playing faster. A lot depends on Doc keeping his head out of his ass and limiting Kuz/Prince to bench roles.

But their D should be much better with Turner and no Dame (Brooks D was meh the regular season despite many still thinking his current iteration is anywhere close to Turner).

Hey stop making good points about KPJ Trent and AJ green playing with Giannis you know they are the worst in the league lol
ESPN still saying they have no pg except KPJ will play that position but on defense now on offense the ball will be in Giannis hands as much as possible I can see him getting career assists this year 8 or so.

[jdzimme3]

As a non bucks fan, I dont understand the hate the bucks are getting. A few thoughts:

Giannis is a top 3 player in the league, in his prime. Those guys aren't easy to obtain, especially in a small market.

Just a couple years ago giannis lead them to their first title in 50 years.

The east is going to be very weak next year.

No one thought the pacers had a chance to make a run last year and they were a half of basketball away from winning the title.

The bucks dont even own all their picks going forward making a tank more complicated.

Are the bucks looking like a top 3 contender next year, no they aren't. If I was a bucks fan would I be happy that my team is doing what they can to keep giannis and compete, 100%.

[stillgotgame]

Amazing that the cheap Pacer’s owner wouldn’t pony up to keep Turner.
He’s been printing money by not paying the tax…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/286112/operating-income-indiana-pacers-national-basketball-association/

[Froob]

Like I said, not the first clue about the Bucks. Whole bunch of ESPN tier waffle.

The Bucks landing the best free agent this year really did a number on some people.

I may end up just way wrong I think, I think Myles Turner has to be ****ing awesome to make this move. Sucked in conference finals and finals.

idk man, good luck to the bucks if i’m wrong i’ll come back and admit it. I can’t get excited about what is essentially 50M a year for Myles Turner.

We got the best 3 and D C in the league by changing the shape of a $110m+ salary hole in our roster. Didn't have to give up any picks, got the best FA of the year. Hell, he's the greatest external FA signing in franchise history.

I could have lived with the gap year thing like we did in 23, but the Bucks want to try to win every year. If we'd just waited out Dame this year and traded him next offseason, we'd only be doing it for a good player on a bloated contract anyway. This is a year early and we got a guy who fits.

It won't be the last move, it's an improvement though. I wouldn't have even bothered posting on the GB but I just found the stuff in this thread so very funny. The Bucks had 7 of their own free agents they needed to sign with stuff all money and had to replace our starting C who is moving home to semi-retirement. It's been an amazing start to the offseason given the team was just Giannis and AJ Green a week ago.

Hey, if i’m wrong come back and quote the post, I just think myles turner has to be like a legitimate star to make a move this desperate

[Pointgod]

Giannis GTJ KPJ and AJ lineups have produced some amazing results so not sure why adding Turner would suddenly make it awful. Turner was a key factor in unlocking mid range space for Siakam. Imagine Giannis?

You mean amazing results in comparison with other lineups the bucks put on the court ?

Nope, just amazing in general. The 4 man unit of Giannis/KPJ/Trent/Green had a +44 NetRtg. Small sample 111 minutes yes, but basically all iterations of those lineups killed it.

Giannis/Green/Trent had a +22 NetRtg in 328 minutes
Giannis/Green alone had a +15 NetRtg in in 779 minutes (and it had nothing to do with Dame, Giannis/Green were +14 NetRtg in 458 minutes without Dame)
Giannis/KPJ/Green were +38 NetRtg

Now obviously no one expects that level to continue across a full season. But Bucks have a recipe with Giannis + shooters and playing faster. A lot depends on Doc keeping his head out of his ass and limiting Kuz/Prince to bench roles.

But their D should be much better with Turner and no Dame (Brooks D was meh the regular season despite many still thinking his current iteration is anywhere close to Turner).

What was the Bucks best 5 man lineup last year? Agreed with you Giannis plus defenders is a pretty successful recipe.

[Kawaii Leonard]

I may end up just way wrong I think, I think Myles Turner has to be ****ing awesome to make this move. Sucked in conference finals and finals.

idk man, good luck to the bucks if i’m wrong i’ll come back and admit it. I can’t get excited about what is essentially 50M a year for Myles Turner.

We got the best 3 and D C in the league by changing the shape of a $110m+ salary hole in our roster. Didn't have to give up any picks, got the best FA of the year. Hell, he's the greatest external FA signing in franchise history.

I could have lived with the gap year thing like we did in 23, but the Bucks want to try to win every year. If we'd just waited out Dame this year and traded him next offseason, we'd only be doing it for a good player on a bloated contract anyway. This is a year early and we got a guy who fits.

It won't be the last move, it's an improvement though. I wouldn't have even bothered posting on the GB but I just found the stuff in this thread so very funny. The Bucks had 7 of their own free agents they needed to sign with stuff all money and had to replace our starting C who is moving home to semi-retirement. It's been an amazing start to the offseason given the team was just Giannis and AJ Green a week ago.

Hey, if i’m wrong come back and quote the post, I just think myles turner has to be like a legitimate star to make a move this desperate

Also Wemby is the best 3 & D C in the league by a landslide. A healthy KP and if Chet makes another jump (which usually happens in a 3rd szn breakout), without another freak accident, is in the mix as well. I expect Turner’s numbers do go down without the playmaking of Hali and the pacer’s pace/system.

[Packbuckman]

We got the best 3 and D C in the league by changing the shape of a $110m+ salary hole in our roster. Didn't have to give up any picks, got the best FA of the year. Hell, he's the greatest external FA signing in franchise history.

I could have lived with the gap year thing like we did in 23, but the Bucks want to try to win every year. If we'd just waited out Dame this year and traded him next offseason, we'd only be doing it for a good player on a bloated contract anyway. This is a year early and we got a guy who fits.

It won't be the last move, it's an improvement though. I wouldn't have even bothered posting on the GB but I just found the stuff in this thread so very funny. The Bucks had 7 of their own free agents they needed to sign with stuff all money and had to replace our starting C who is moving home to semi-retirement. It's been an amazing start to the offseason given the team was just Giannis and AJ Green a week ago.

Hey, if i’m wrong come back and quote the post, I just think myles turner has to be like a legitimate star to make a move this desperate

Also Wemby is the best 3 & D C in the league by a landslide. A healthy KP and if Chet makes another jump (which usually happens in a 3rd szn breakout), without another freak accident, is in the mix as well. I expect Turner’s numbers do go down without the playmaking of Hali and the pacer’s pace/system.

Giannis has way more gravity than Hali does that’s why every player has career numbers playing with him. Players like turner are going to be wide open as teams double and triple team Giannis they just need to make open shots and none of wemby Chet KP are playing with Giannis I expect Turners shooting numbers to improve playing with Giannis too