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[BigO]

Green doesn't have a high ceiling, unless you mean he's one of the few guys who can play after the AI takeover, cuz he moves so robotically.

I don't think you can conclude that AJG doesn't have another gear. He wasn't robotic in college or in AAU when I saw him a ton in person. Give him some freedom and see if it translates. So far he hasn't gotten a chance.

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[SupremeHustle]

AJG is already a better defender and shooter than Allen ever was.

I missed the context. Is the Allen in this case Allen Crabbe? Tim Allen? Alan Thicke?

[BigO]

AJ Green is Austin Reeves of the Bucks. He's perfect for a Giannis team. No reason to move him.

I agree we shouldn't move him unless it's a super deal, but he's not Austin Reaves.

The question that no one here knows is whether AJG has another level. I've posted that he showed a great handle in college and before, but the Bucks have put him in a straightjacket and limited him to one dimension on offense.

Look at his ball handling on you tube, albeit against much lower competition. He needs to have a coach who realizes his skillset and encourages AJG to see if it plays at this level.

Bottom line, I think we have't seen the best of AJG and would like to see it before we let him go as an add on.

I think you already answered your own question

Marjon scored 70 in a game that one time, but it wasnt the nba. Its actually pretty fascinating how many levels there are to basketball skill. Even going down one level, some of the worst players in the league can look good

You may be right, but I don't think either of us have enough evidence.

You seem so certain about his ceiling, but given his skill level in college (Duke wanted him), I think he can do more attacking the basket. He needs a coach who is smart enough to see his skills and encourage him to try it out during the regular season.

[SirChurros]

I agree we shouldn't move him unless it's a super deal, but he's not Austin Reaves.

The question that no one here knows is whether AJG has another level. I've posted that he showed a great handle in college and before, but the Bucks have put him in a straightjacket and limited him to one dimension on offense.

Look at his ball handling on you tube, albeit against much lower competition. He needs to have a coach who realizes his skillset and encourages AJG to see if it plays at this level.

Bottom line, I think we have't seen the best of AJG and would like to see it before we let him go as an add on.

I think you already answered your own question

Marjon scored 70 in a game that one time, but it wasnt the nba. Its actually pretty fascinating how many levels there are to basketball skill. Even going down one level, some of the worst players in the league can look good

You may be right, but I don't think either of us have enough evidence.

You seem so certain about his ceiling, but given his skill level in college (Duke wanted him), I think he can do more attacking the basket. He needs a coach who is smart enough to see his skills and encourage him to try it out during the regular season.

Duke wanted him as a grad transfer. His role would have been spot up shooter.

[DingleJerry]

I think you already answered your own question

Marjon scored 70 in a game that one time, but it wasnt the nba. Its actually pretty fascinating how many levels there are to basketball skill. Even going down one level, some of the worst players in the league can look good

You may be right, but I don't think either of us have enough evidence.

You seem so certain about his ceiling, but given his skill level in college (Duke wanted him), I think he can do more attacking the basket. He needs a coach who is smart enough to see his skills and encourage him to try it out during the regular season.

Duke wanted him as a grad transfer. His role would have been spot up shooter.

Speaking of Duke, one could probably argue that a very similar player to him just went #4 in the draft. But obviously the 5 years of age and probably 2-3 inches of height matter.

[Wonka]

AJG is already a better defender and shooter than Allen ever was.

I missed the context. Is the Allen in this case Allen Crabbe? Tim Allen? Alan Thicke?

Allen, Grayson

[soxperry]

Either Kuzma needs to be moved for a worse contract but better fit (Wiggins?) or he needs to be moved for the best wing or guard you can find by attaching the 2031 1st, 2032 pick swap, whatever else. But either way, he needs to be gone before opening day.

We talk a lot on here about not wasting another prime year of Giannis, but Turner also turns 30 next year as well. You can’t be wasting prime seasons of this front-court pairing by half-assing the re-tool like we did after the Dame trade where we just sat on our hands. Finish the job.

I agree totally with this, but am not convinced the Bucks want to get rid of Kuzma. We're assuming they are looking for a way out and we have no evidence of that. Please prove me wrong Horst.

This is exactly what I'm worried about too. Seems anyone with eyes saw that Kuzma should not be playing more than spot minutes as a '3'. However, thus far all their moves seem to point to them planning to start him as the 3 and double down on the mistake from last year.

Not that I'd want it, but lets say they had to trade or let go Bobby. I could at least see the logic of Kuzma as the 6th man and can play the 4 whenever Giannis/Turner rest or miss games. And occasional big lineups with them. Sure, ok, I don't want it but I get it. But now that we have Bobby in that role it makes no sense to keep Kuzma. And based on what they tried last year it seems they think he can be a 3, I'm starting to worry they don't realize they were wrong yet. They've done a lot right in the lasat few days to make the team have a glimmer of a chance, but this combined with keeping Doc could torpedo it all. Or lead to yet another deadline trade to shake it all up and continue with the chaos.

I felt pretty strongly last season that there was a role for Kuzma in a winning situation here. Then he had a stretch where he looked unplayable.

i thought he could be a solid defender if he commits but if you look at his d LeBron ratings he has had one season of non negative ratings. The rest bad, some ugly.

So if you cant defend and you cant hit threes at a good clip its hard for me to see a role on a contending team. I would be surprised if at 30 years old there was a team that could be swayed by half a season of improved play from him but maybe im wrong.

I think the only reason not to trade him right now is if his value is so negative that it almost wipes out the value of our 31 1st. In that case, we just need to wait a season until hes an expiring.

But....if you feel like you need to convince Giannis now, maybe we mash something through regardless

[SirChurros]

You may be right, but I don't think either of us have enough evidence.

You seem so certain about his ceiling, but given his skill level in college (Duke wanted him), I think he can do more attacking the basket. He needs a coach who is smart enough to see his skills and encourage him to try it out during the regular season.

Duke wanted him as a grad transfer. His role would have been spot up shooter.

Speaking of Duke, one could probably argue that a very similar player to him just went #4 in the draft. But obviously the 5 years of age and probably 2-3 inches of height matter.

I would disagree with any Knueppel/Green comp a lot. The difference between their ballhandling and feel for the game offensively is night and day.

[SirChurros]

Knueppel is closer to Luka’s skill set than AJ Green is to Knueppel’s.

[soxperry]

You may be right, but I don't think either of us have enough evidence.

You seem so certain about his ceiling, but given his skill level in college (Duke wanted him), I think he can do more attacking the basket. He needs a coach who is smart enough to see his skills and encourage him to try it out during the regular season.

Duke wanted him as a grad transfer. His role would have been spot up shooter.

Speaking of Duke, one could probably argue that a very similar player to him just went #4 in the draft. But obviously the 5 years of age and probably 2-3 inches of height matter.

Ive never seen the guy play but without looking i suspect hes also displaying traits like playmaking, ball handling, creation, driving, finishing, and in between shot making at much higher levels than Green could ever fathom if he went 4th overall in an nba draft.

[Ryan5UW]

AJG is already a better defender and shooter than Allen ever was.

I missed the context. Is the Allen in this case Allen Crabbe? Tim Allen? Alan Thicke?

Allen Ludden

[SirChurros]

Paul Allen.

[soxperry]

"Uggghhhhhhhhaaaayyyy" - Tim Allen

[BigO]

Kneuppel has at least 25 pounds on Green and several inches and that's a big deal.

Both are great shooters and both have high BBIQ, but Kneuppel is almost elite in his vision of the game.

Neither one are quick with the ball, but I can see Kneuppel with a great post up mid range game, ala KM. Green will never be that.

But Green, I think, has the ability to attack the basket and pull up or develop a floater. No one is saying he should be a point guard, so that's a false argument.

[DingleJerry]

Duke wanted him as a grad transfer. His role would have been spot up shooter.

Speaking of Duke, one could probably argue that a very similar player to him just went #4 in the draft. But obviously the 5 years of age and probably 2-3 inches of height matter.

Ive never seen the guy play but without looking i suspect hes also displaying traits like playmaking, ball handling, creation, driving, finishing, and in between shot making at much higher levels than Green could ever fathom if he went 4th overall in an nba draft.

Well Green would've showed that stuff too if he was playing in college. And yea maybe I'm a hater on him, but I was shocked he went that high. Sure he did some of that in college but its pretty clear to me that his athleticism/quickness to be a creator/ballhander type isn't there at the next level. He's gonna have to be a complimentary type and live primarily off shooting. Someone jsut said Luka, who knows maybe I'll be wrong but I don't see. Go back to a Herro to keep comping white guys, you could see the athleticism/bounce from him all the way back to HS and he def showed it in college. Don't see that in Kon at all. But he is taller and thicker, sky high bball IQ and work ethic, so I do think he generally does make it. Just can't see him ever being a lead handler type, thus you end up as 3/D types in the Green mold

And no of course I'm not saying Green should've went 4th as he seems a late bloomer. I'm mostly saying guys like Kon and the Shephard that went 3 last year's best case scenarios are rich man's Greens. And we got this guy for nothing and have him signed cheap for years. Don't have to use a top pick or spend big money to get him. But yea, those guys were 19/20 when drafted so there's that hope and potential plus I know Kon is taller, and the logic that the pick is a good one because their floor is a Green type role player.

[Rstuedes24]

Shams reporting bucks talked with CP3 yesterday. Don't love the guy, but if he's a vet min pickup idk how you could go wrong with that. I'm sure winning basketball games together will cure the hatred him and Giannis have

[BigO]

"Uggghhhhhhhhaaaayyyy" - Tim Allen

All wrong. Allen Ginsberg; who I actually met.

[emunney]

AJ Green is Austin Reeves of the Bucks. He's perfect for a Giannis team. No reason to move him.

I agree we shouldn't move him unless it's a super deal, but he's not Austin Reaves.

The question that no one here knows is whether AJG has another level. I've posted that he showed a great handle in college and before, but the Bucks have put him in a straightjacket and limited him to one dimension on offense.

Look at his ball handling on you tube, albeit against much lower competition. He needs to have a coach who realizes his skillset and encourages AJG to see if it plays at this level.

Bottom line, I think we have't seen the best of AJG and would like to see it before we let him go as an add on.

I think you already answered your own question

Marjon scored 70 in a game that one time, but it wasnt the nba. Its actually pretty fascinating how many levels there are to basketball skill. Even going down one level, some of the worst players in the league can look good. I think that goes for individual skills too.

He seems like a very hard worker so i expect steady improvement from him over time. But i wouldn't hold my breath on his ball handling.

It'd be interesting to see what he could do. He definitely has a more advanced handle than the touchstone guys who carved out his kind of "scary shooter" role (Korver, Redick). I wouldn't expect it to come into play for him as a guy who initiates team sets, but I could see (and think we have seen glimpses) of him leveraging that skill to create space for his shot. And because you have to go over every screen on him, there could be some potential for him to run some pick and rolls, even if you're doing it mainly to get him to his pull-up.

[soxperry]

Duke wanted him as a grad transfer. His role would have been spot up shooter.

Speaking of Duke, one could probably argue that a very similar player to him just went #4 in the draft. But obviously the 5 years of age and probably 2-3 inches of height matter.

Ive never seen the guy play but without looking i suspect hes also displaying traits like playmaking, ball handling, creation, driving, finishing, and in between shot making at much higher levels than Green could ever fathom if he went 4th overall in an nba draft.

So i watched his scouting video...

This must have been a weak class at the top because his ceiling does not look very high. Then again, if youre Charlotte, you already have athletic playmaking and he has a high floor.

[raferfenix]

Seems anyone with eyes saw that Kuzma should not be playing more than spot minutes as a '3'. However, thus far all their moves seem to point to them planning to start him as the 3 and double down on the mistake from last year.

I’d agree except the deal itself no longer seems to have been a mistake.

We don’t get Turner without the Middleton trade.

Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean we should keep Kuzma any longer than we have to or play him more than we should either.