Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[Capn'O]

Low key feel like bridges might not even be here to start the season since he didn’t sign an extension.

It does seem like they're looking at deals for at least one of the lesser Villanova Connection players. His fit here was disappointing last year and our best lineups have Deuce.

If Mikal is still here and struggling I wonder if Brown will be open to benching him for Deuce.

It'll be interesting. Like I was arguing with Sham yesterday, I think our two best SLs would be:

JB
Deuce
Mikal
OG
KAT

OR

JB
Mikal
OG
KAT
Mitch

We've gotta stop one end of the PnFnR.

Now moving Mikal to the bench turns him into more of a 1st option against benches but I'd like to see him involved in more off ball movement like Rip or Reggie. He could be really elite doing that. Having him as a spot up or iso Mikal was not great.

[G_K_F]

30 pages of people trying to convince you that Mike Brown is good and if you don't agree you're a hater.

If the Charlotte Hornets hired Mike Brown we would be laughing at them and calling them the 'same old Hornets'.

This is what it is. This guy will not last long so I've given up on caring. But he certainly is not an improvement over Tom Thibodeau - and I campaigned for the firing of Thibodeau.

If some of the young guys can be developed that would be the silver lining.

[god shammgod]

We made the playoffs with this team.

That's the thing with Thibs though. He maximizes marginal try-hard talent around a heliocentric player.

I'm not sure Brown's the guy but Thibs does struggle once he's managing egos and defining clear roles for greater talent. I'm most interested in what happens with Bridges.

based on what example ? jimmy butler ? he's acted up everywhere he's been. i don't remember him having those problems with the bulls.

bridges was playing like this all of the year before with the nets. he got a pass because they had nothing to play for. now this year it was thibs fault. eventually that man is gonna have to take some responsibility.

[stuporman]

This wasn't even close to the context of the discussion. You MFers just love to lie and twist words and cherry pick to come at people. You're not even CLOSE to what started the discussion what went on during the discussion.

The trolling was ridiculous the BS posts about it are just as bad.

no more about this. we've derailed for pages now. limit posts to discussion about mike brown.

once again, we have a whole ass hamsterdam for the rest.

[spree8]

So all we have from Brown outside of coaching Bron is a second round appearance. That’s pretty disappointing. And he had Kobe, Gasol, Bynum that year, so it’s not like he didn’t have talent.

I mean Doug Christie has only coached half a year. So of course he isn’t going to have a better record overall when Brown has two seasons under his belt with kings.

That Laker team was washed by that point. Got swept the next year. They weren’t in their prime.

And it’ll be fine. Thibs made the Conference Finals once with the Bulls. He got let go after winning 50 games with them. This is his MO.

That team was definitely not washed when they only made it to the second round. Kobe averaged 28, Bynum averaged 18, Gasol averaged 17. Brown should’ve at least gotten to the wcf with that talent.

Hopefully Mike brown can turn it around like Thibs but I have my doubts since he couldn’t do much with some talented kings teams. Will be rooting for him though.

Yea they were… they lost Odom and Gasol wasn’t the same after they tried to trade him for Cp3. It was also a lockout year and for older players like Kobe, Artest, Pau, that’s tough physically on them since they don’t have the normal time with the medical staff to prepare for the season. They were another year older and had a brand new coach… again, in a lockout year.

They lost to one of the better teams in league history in OKC with KD, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, etc. OKC also beat Pop, Duncan, n those guys who’ve been together forever.

Lakers were unraveling since the 2011 playoffs… Odom and Bynum assaulted Barea n Dirk, and Artest in 2012 went really wild on Harden.

Brown getting fired the next yr after only a few games was pretty unfair… it seemed obvious at the time they really wanted to reunite D’Antoni with 38 yr old Nash and as soon as they had their excuse, they used it. Dwight was injured his whole time in LA too, and their defense was really bad despite having a top offense. D’Antoni had experience with Kobe on team USA and obviously Nash, so he was able to hit the ground running, but didn’t get very far either since they made even less progress in the PO.

[3toheadmelo]

That Laker team was washed by that point. Got swept the next year. They weren’t in their prime.

And it’ll be fine. Thibs made the Conference Finals once with the Bulls. He got let go after winning 50 games with them. This is his MO.

That team was definitely not washed when they only made it to the second round. Kobe averaged 28, Bynum averaged 18, Gasol averaged 17. Brown should’ve at least gotten to the wcf with that talent.

Hopefully Mike brown can turn it around like Thibs but I have my doubts since he couldn’t do much with some talented kings teams. Will be rooting for him though.

Yea they were… they lost Odom and Gasol wasn’t the same after they tried to trade him for Cp3. It was also a lockout year and for older players like Kobe, Artest, Pau, that’s tough physically on them since they don’t have the normal time with the medical staff to prepare for the season. They were another year older and had a brand new coach… again, in a lockout year.

They lost to one of the better teams in league history in OKC with KD, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, etc. OKC also beat Pop, Duncan, n those guys who’ve been together forever.

Lakers were unraveling since the 2011 playoffs… Odom and Bynum assaulted Barea n Dirk, and Artest in 2012 went really wild on Harden.

Brown getting fired the next yr after only a few games was pretty unfair… it seemed obvious at the time they really wanted to reunite D’Antoni with 38 yr old Nash and as soon as they had their excuse, they used it. Dwight was injured his whole time in LA too, and their defense was really bad despite having a top offense. D’Antoni had experience with Kobe on team USA and obviously Nash, so he was able to hit the ground running, but didn’t get very far either since they made even less progress in the PO.

You’re forgetting to mention that the lakers had a 3-1 lead against the Denver and almost lost the series
Mike brown almost choked that one away spree!

[BKlutch]

That Laker team was washed by that point. Got swept the next year. They weren’t in their prime.

And it’ll be fine. Thibs made the Conference Finals once with the Bulls. He got let go after winning 50 games with them. This is his MO.

That team was definitely not washed when they only made it to the second round. Kobe averaged 28, Bynum averaged 18, Gasol averaged 17. Brown should’ve at least gotten to the wcf with that talent.

Hopefully Mike brown can turn it around like Thibs but I have my doubts since he couldn’t do much with some talented kings teams. Will be rooting for him though.

Yea they were… they lost Odom and Gasol wasn’t the same after they tried to trade him for Cp3. It was also a lockout year and for older players like Kobe, Artest, Pau, that’s tough physically on them since they don’t have the normal time with the medical staff to prepare for the season. They were another year older and had a brand new coach… again, in a lockout year.

They lost to one of the better teams in league history in OKC with KD, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, etc. OKC also beat Pop, Duncan, n those guys who’ve been together forever.

Lakers were unraveling since the 2011 playoffs… Odom and Bynum assaulted Barea n Dirk, and Artest in 2012 went really wild on Harden.

Brown getting fired the next yr after only a few games was pretty unfair… it seemed obvious at the time they really wanted to reunite D’Antoni with 38 yr old Nash and as soon as they had their excuse, they used it. Dwight was injured his whole time in LA too, and their defense was really bad despite having a top offense. D’Antoni had experience with Kobe on team USA and obviously Nash, so he was able to hit the ground running, but didn’t get very far either since they made even less progress in the PO.

Thanks for a really good description and analysis of what happened in LA that year. I also appreciate you describing what happened with the team, as opposed to just trying to show up another poster. It makes is so much more informative and interesting to read. We have much to learn about our new coach and players, so the purely personal stuff we've seen just detracts from the basketball.

[vallen]

As they should.

the kings are a sorry organization, kinda hard to take what they have to say seriously, they have so many other issues to worry about

Reddit is so chock full of reasonable people though

Not very different from this board however.

[vallen]

Kings reddit is clowning us for hiring Mike brown. Oh boy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1lq1f8c/shams_mike_brown_lands_knicks_head_coaching_job/

As they should.

the kings are a sorry organization, kinda hard to take what they have to say seriously, they have so many other issues to worry about

Look nobody needs Reddit to understand this was a shite hire. It was obvious they had zero plans after firing Thibs. Lets see what Charlie Brown has that we dont already know. People acting like hes only coached The Kings and thats just not factual. How many Coaches have been in the League as long as Charlie Brown has, and suddenly won a chip? Just one, his cousin Larry Brown.

[2ThouTeninator]

Good move. The right move.

[Enzo954]

This place is possibly the most negative sports forum I've ever seen. I completely understand weighing out the pros and cons in players and coaches, but the constant systematic trashing of these guys before they've even played or coached a game here is completely unwarranted. It just feels like the forum is being taken over by people with pure pessimism and anger. I'm always down for a good back and forth but it's gotten so bad that I find myself trying to avoid coming to the site and reading the comments. The mods have tightened up on the personal attacks, but it feels even more toxic now for some reason. I used to wonder why outsiders would trash the Knicks fanbase, but I'm beginning to understand why. Can't we just support our squad and save the extreme criticism for when they actually do something wrong, instead of assuming that everything is definitively going to hell?

good example of a hamsterdam/community thread-appropriate observation. -JVG

I really got an addendum/note added to my post for being inappropriate? This had to do with Mike Brown and the negativity towards him in here. WTH?

[GONYK]

This place is possibly the most negative sports forum I've ever seen. I completely understand weighing out the pros and cons in players and coaches, but the constant systematic trashing of these guys before they've even played or coached a game here is completely unwarranted. It just feels like the forum is being taken over by people with pure pessimism and anger. I'm always down for a good back and forth but it's gotten so bad that I find myself trying to avoid coming to the site and reading the comments. The mods have tightened up on the personal attacks, but it feels even more toxic now for some reason. I used to wonder why outsiders would trash the Knicks fanbase, but I'm beginning to understand why. Can't we just support our squad and save the extreme criticism for when they actually do something wrong, instead of assuming that everything is definitively going to hell?

good example of a hamsterdam/community thread-appropriate observation. -JVG

I really got an addendum/note added to my post for being inappropriate? This had to do with Mike Brown and the negativity towards him in here. WTH?

Speaking for JVG here, I don't think it's an admonishment.

While your post certainly applies to this thread, this seems like it could also be taken as a critique of the board overall. If you were to post this in Hamsterdam, it can be discussed openly, rather than just get swept by here because we don't want to go off on a tangent.

[GONYK]

Getting back on topic, everyone is entitled to their opinions on either side for this hire.

The only real question is: if you don't like Brown, who would you have preferred out of the available options?

If your answer is some unknown assistant somewhere, then really, you are just choosing the mystery box, because you have no credible track record of any kind to point to in order to say that hire would be better. The lack of NBA track record to criticize would be the only advantage that person has over Brown and that would be a pretty outsized risk for all parties involved.

David Blatt comes to mind as a cautionary tale on that front.

The Knicks were looking for the right person to lead the team. Not just the right tactician.

Thibs got fired mostly for how he conducted himself outside of games, not during them.

[Jalen Bluntson]

That Laker team was washed by that point. Got swept the next year. They weren’t in their prime.

And it’ll be fine. Thibs made the Conference Finals once with the Bulls. He got let go after winning 50 games with them. This is his MO.

That team was definitely not washed when they only made it to the second round. Kobe averaged 28, Bynum averaged 18, Gasol averaged 17. Brown should’ve at least gotten to the wcf with that talent.

Hopefully Mike brown can turn it around like Thibs but I have my doubts since he couldn’t do much with some talented kings teams. Will be rooting for him though.

Yea they were… they lost Odom and Gasol wasn’t the same after they tried to trade him for Cp3. It was also a lockout year and for older players like Kobe, Artest, Pau, that’s tough physically on them since they don’t have the normal time with the medical staff to prepare for the season. They were another year older and had a brand new coach… again, in a lockout year.

They lost to one of the better teams in league history in OKC with KD, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, etc. OKC also beat Pop, Duncan, n those guys who’ve been together forever.

Lakers were unraveling since the 2011 playoffs… Odom and Bynum assaulted Barea n Dirk, and Artest in 2012 went really wild on Harden.

Brown getting fired the next yr after only a few games was pretty unfair… it seemed obvious at the time they really wanted to reunite D’Antoni with 38 yr old Nash and as soon as they had their excuse, they used it. Dwight was injured his whole time in LA too, and their defense was really bad despite having a top offense. D’Antoni had experience with Kobe on team USA and obviously Nash, so he was able to hit the ground running, but didn’t get very far either since they made even less progress in the PO.

This is the stuff I was asking for. What were the details behind his firings and how did he do in the years he didn't have LeBron or Kobe etc. I knew the Lakers situation was a mess and was more interested in SAC.

This puts that mess in better perspective and the article FN11 posted goes into his Sacramento years.

Thanks for this.

[8516knicks]

It does seem like they're looking at deals for at least one of the lesser Villanova Connection players. His fit here was disappointing last year and our best lineups have Deuce.

If Mikal is still here and struggling I wonder if Brown will be open to benching him for Deuce.

It'll be interesting. Like I was arguing with Sham yesterday, I think our two best SLs would be:

JB
Deuce
Mikal
OG
KAT

OR

JB
Mikal
OG
KAT
Mitch

We've gotta stop one end of the PnFnR.

Now moving Mikal to the bench turns him into more of a 1st option against benches but I'd like to see him involved in more off ball movement like Rip or Reggie. He could be really elite doing that. Having him as a spot up or iso Mikal was not great.

I hope we move away from iso with lots of ball movement like the two teams in the finals.

[MrDollarBills]

Getting back on topic, everyone is entitled to their opinions on either side for this hire.

The only real question is: if you don't like Brown, who would you have preferred out of the available options?

If your answer is some unknown assistant somewhere, then really, you are just choosing the mystery box, because you have no credible track record of any kind to point to in order to say that hire would be better. The lack of NBA track record to criticize would be the only advantage that person has over Brown and that would be a pretty outsized risk for all parties involved.

David Blatt comes to mind as a cautionary tale on that front.

Realistically, Brown isn't the sexy hire but his experience does matter a lot. I was listening to Mark Spears and Hahn talking about Brown and Spears' take makes me understand why Leon and co went with him. The guy definitely seems to be someone who is heavy on preparation and he apparently went into the interview with a well thought out plan for the team, along with the willingness to collaborate with the front office.

That being said, I think he should still be given room to develop his vision for this group, but opinions should be shared and the analytics team should definitely have a voice. Also, development of the young boys is critical. He has to hit on that area.

[thebuzzardman]

the kings are a sorry organization, kinda hard to take what they have to say seriously, they have so many other issues to worry about

Reddit is so chock full of reasonable people though

Not very different from this board however.

The internet reveals what a cesspool humanity is

[thebuzzardman]

Is Brown still going to be stuck with Thib's Pips?

Sounds like a bad idea that is just about saving Dolan $

[Capn'O]

Getting back on topic, everyone is entitled to their opinions on either side for this hire.

The only real question is: if you don't like Brown, who would you have preferred out of the available options?

If your answer is some unknown assistant somewhere, then really, you are just choosing the mystery box, because you have no credible track record of any kind to point to in order to say that hire would be better. The lack of NBA track record to criticize would be the only advantage that person has over Brown and that would be a pretty outsized risk for all parties involved.

David Blatt comes to mind as a cautionary tale on that front.

The Knicks were looking for the right person to lead the team. Not just the right tactician.

Thibs got fired mostly for how he conducted himself outside of games, not during them.

I think once the criteria was established of who we were looking for, my focus with experienced coaches would have been on Jenkins and Bud. I don't know if we even reached out to Bud but I think judging him on his Suns tenure is a little unfair as that franchise is a festering disaster pit. He's a champion and prior to the last few years had overachieved in his stops by my measure. I was pleased Jenkins was heavily considered.

Regarding the inexperienced coaches, the question itself is a little unfair and, I expect, any answer would be met with the dismissal that we don't really know what they would offer. Of course we don't. We're fans. We don't interview the coaches and only have access to their public faces and a fairly limited knowledge of their tactical approaches. I had a few in mind that I know of - Bryant and Cassell in particular - but mostly found it frustrating that inexperienced coaches were downgraded in the process. We've recently seen several new, bright minds such as Daignault, Finch, Mosley, and Mazzulla find success in the league that will be long term fixtures on their teams and I was hoping we'd find ours. I'm not convinced we seriously even looked.


I'm not gonna harp on Brown being the choice and hope he works out. I could see us having our best regular season record since the Riley years under him but I do have some concerns about what happens in the playoffs when we meet some of the greater tacticians in the game over a long series.

[3toheadmelo]

Getting back on topic, everyone is entitled to their opinions on either side for this hire.

The only real question is: if you don't like Brown, who would you have preferred out of the available options?

If your answer is some unknown assistant somewhere, then really, you are just choosing the mystery box, because you have no credible track record of any kind to point to in order to say that hire would be better. The lack of NBA track record to criticize would be the only advantage that person has over Brown and that would be a pretty outsized risk for all parties involved.

David Blatt comes to mind as a cautionary tale on that front.

The Knicks were looking for the right person to lead the team. Not just the right tactician.

Thibs got fired mostly for how he conducted himself outside of games, not during them.

Of the available coaches I was hoping for Jenkins/JVG and that assistant from Minny as my #2.