The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[Djedefre]

I agree with Gambo and Windhorst about Beal. Send him home until he gives his preferred teams.

I don't want his bad habits around our young guys.

Making a supervillain out of Beal is just plain ridiculous. Yes, we should never have traded for him, yet we did. It was Ishbia's genius idea, like so many others. The team was poorly managed and led, and neither Booker nor Durant (at his age it's reasonable) could carry the load. I hope they move Beal somehow, just so you and guys in your camp can have the pleasure of watching Armani lead us to 30 wins, after we are free of that evil evil guy Brad.

[Saberestar]

I agree with Gambo and Windhorst about Beal. Send him home until he gives his preferred teams.

I don't want his bad habits around our young guys.

Obviously i don't know him enough to say he doesn't either, but what are these bad habits he supposedly has? Where does this idea come from?

You mean besides not being able to stay on the court, putting in below average effort and laughing when an opposing team drills a three in his face?

You would think that after last season people would notice that Beal doesn't care too much about helping this team improve.

I know Beal is a career loser but his contract is about to expire and much like Ayton I would imagine he wants to keep getting paid.

I have never seen a player unable to return for the 2nd half of a game as many times as Beal did last season.

It was a joke. A simple push from another player in the first half of a game could make him to be unable to play in the 2nd half.

The other players aren't dumb...they know that Beal doesn't care and he doesn't tolerate any pain or small ****. He will not play and that's all.

Those are bad habits IMO.

[TeamTragic]

I agree with Gambo and Windhorst about Beal. Send him home until he gives his preferred teams.

I don't want his bad habits around our young guys.

Making a supervillain out of Beal is just plain ridiculous. Yes, we should never have traded for him, yet we did. It was Ishbia's genius idea, like so many others. The team was poorly managed and led, and neither Booker nor Durant (at his age it's reasonable) could carry the load. I hope they move Beal somehow, just so you and guys in your camp can have the pleasure of watching Armani lead us to 30 wins, after we are free of that evil evil guy Brad.

Except Booker is a better player and the only reason besides CP3 that this team is relevant.

When was the last time the Wizards were relevant with or without Beal?

[Fifii]

CP3 for us is good options even he wants plays in starting five. We don’t have any **** PG ( Colin isn’t the same level). He wants plays in west coast so maybe this is our chance over Bucks.

[bwgood77]

I don’t want that stretching Beal like Lillard. I know he is Mr Street Clothes but this is better like Mr Stretch Provision.

Buying him out in this particular situation is moronic! Beal needs to hold tight and not accept a dime less of his contract! Stretching and waiving his contract completely ensures this team is stuck purgatory for the next five years.

Doesn't he have to give up like $20 million to be stretched? And buying him out and not stretching him, how much would he give up? If you were under a company contract, would you give up a million? More?

What would be the real purpose of even buying him out if you can't stretch him? He still hits the cap. Just saving a couple million?

I wouldn't give away assets to trade him either, at least not something more than a minor player or 2nd round pick or two.

[BobbieL]

I don’t want that stretching Beal like Lillard. I know he is Mr Street Clothes but this is better like Mr Stretch Provision.

Buying him out in this particular situation is moronic! Beal needs to hold tight and not accept a dime less of his contract! Stretching and waiving his contract completely ensures this team is stuck purgatory for the next five years.

Doesn't he have to give up like $20 million to be stretched? And buying him out and not stretching him, how much would he give up? If you were under a company contract, would you give up a million? More?

What would be the real purpose of even buying him out if you can't stretch him? He still hits the cap. Just saving a couple million?

I wouldn't give away assets to trade him either, at least not something more than a minor player or 2nd round pick or two.

The real purpose of buying him out is that he is not on the roster anymore - thats it. It could save Ishbia a bit of money. If Gambo is right that he can get the TP-MLE -- so two years 12-13m. If they buy him out for 97-98, and he signs the TPMLE - he is whole at 110m

Ishbia saves a bit of money - and $6m in lux tax is like $30m cash. That isn't nothing.

[bwgood77]

I don't see what's so toxic about just playing Beal. Sure, if you can find a trade, go for it. Though you certainly don't paint a good picture for a trade when every public report says you're desperate to get rid of him. Short of a trade, he's still a pretty good player lol. He's a poor fit but he's what you've got. And assuming the roster stays looking similar to what it is now, we will find that while the team is much younger, longer, and more athletic, there are precious few players who can dribble

I agree. I keep thinking "why would they not play him when he's healthy?" I mean he's always been professional, is by all accounts a great locker room vet, etc. I am glad he can ignore all the noise. Is Beal what he used to be? No, but his effort was always there, playing hard on defense, getting to the rim, hitting 3s, etc. He will still be one of our best players. You could argue Brooks is better. Maybe Green depending on how you view them. But we will have like a 3-4 guard rotation. We shouldn't start him particularly if we start Green, but he can come in for eiiher of those guys...him and Allen...then we have the rookie who will get some time.

[Saberestar]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

[BobbieL]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

I think it will be between 94 and 98m - -something where he will sign and be made whole

[TeamTragic]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

This has made my day!

[Blonde]

Okay so if Beal’s contract is bought out and stretched for let’s say, 18m cap hit per year for the next 5 seasons… what’s the plan with that newly acquired flexibility. Is there an aggregation trade lined up for Allen+Royce for a good starter? They better have something good planned to be operating with an 18m disadvantage for 5 years.

[BobbieL]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

This has made my day!

Just as long as its a pure buyout and not a stretch and waive. And I truly don't care if Beal gives up the 25m to be able to be stretched - just buy him out, take your lumps for two years and move on.

[BobbieL]

Okay so if Beal’s contract is bought out and stretched for let’s say, 18m cap hit per year for the next 5 seasons… what’s the plan with that newly acquired flexibility. Is there an aggregation trade lined up for Allen+Royce for a good starter? They better have something good planned to be operating with an 18m disadvantage for 5 years.

What has Mat Ishbia done to show he has a plan other than being impatient and making poor decisions?

So instead of just not trading for Mark Williams and not picking up the options for Richards, Micic and Martin to get them below the apron level - he is going to do this?

Makes ZERO sense unless like you state they have a trade planned with Alley and Royce to aggregate salaries. If its just to use the TPMLE on Chris Paul or Melton - not worth it to me from a roster standpoint.

Granted, if Ishbia knows Beal from 53 to 18m cap hit - that is saving him like $100m in cash

[Blonde]

Okay so if Beal’s contract is bought out and stretched for let’s say, 18m cap hit per year for the next 5 seasons… what’s the plan with that newly acquired flexibility. Is there an aggregation trade lined up for Allen+Royce for a good starter? They better have something good planned to be operating with an 18m disadvantage for 5 years.

What has Mat Ishbia done to show he has a plan other than being impatient and making poor decisions?

So instead of just not trading for Mark Williams and not picking up the options for Richards, Micic and Martin to get them below the apron level - he is going to do this?

Makes ZERO sense

Oh I fully agree, it’s not what I would do. But it seems inevitable so I’m just curious what comes next.

[lilfishi22]

I don't see what's so toxic about just playing Beal. Sure, if you can find a trade, go for it. Though you certainly don't paint a good picture for a trade when every public report says you're desperate to get rid of him. Short of a trade, he's still a pretty good player lol. He's a poor fit but he's what you've got. And assuming the roster stays looking similar to what it is now, we will find that while the team is much younger, longer, and more athletic, there are precious few players who can dribble

I think that the only 2 things with Beal that create a problem. First is that many people felt that he wasn't worth the money we were paying him. Second as the Suns work to retool this team around a different style of ball that many parts of his game are also duplicated in Green who the Suns are eying as a piece for the future.

I would rather move Green for a 2nd round pick before I consider stretching Beal

[BobbieL]

I don't see what's so toxic about just playing Beal. Sure, if you can find a trade, go for it. Though you certainly don't paint a good picture for a trade when every public report says you're desperate to get rid of him. Short of a trade, he's still a pretty good player lol. He's a poor fit but he's what you've got. And assuming the roster stays looking similar to what it is now, we will find that while the team is much younger, longer, and more athletic, there are precious few players who can dribble

I think that the only 2 things with Beal that create a problem. First is that many people felt that he wasn't worth the money we were paying him. Second as the Suns work to retool this team around a different style of ball that many parts of his game are also duplicated in Green who the Suns are eying as a piece for the future.

I would rather move Green for a 2nd round pick before I consider stretching Beal

Lakers just sign Jaxson Hayes - so they don't seem like a fit for Richards

Now, I wouldn't sell low on Green . I just hope Ishbia/Gregory have a plan with them being under the aprons as it seems Beal is going to be stretched

Just hope there is a good trade in the works if they under the apron. That has to be the move and not just signing "Malcolm Brogdons" of the world

[lilfishi22]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

Whatever you do, don't stretch that salary out

[BobbieL]

Duane Rankin:

The Phoenix Suns have been discussing a possible buyout for guard Bradley Beal, league sources have informed The Arizona Republic.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

Whatever you do, don't stretch that salary out

Bottom half of the article mentions stretch and waive - so the inevitable will happen

Booker just might ask for a trade sooner than two years. I think he will play nice this year - but next summer - he might ask out

[lilfishi22]

I think that the only 2 things with Beal that create a problem. First is that many people felt that he wasn't worth the money we were paying him. Second as the Suns work to retool this team around a different style of ball that many parts of his game are also duplicated in Green who the Suns are eying as a piece for the future.

I would rather move Green for a 2nd round pick before I consider stretching Beal

Lakers just sign Jaxson Hayes - so they don't seem like a fit for Richards

Now, I wouldn't sell low on Green . I just hope Ishbia/Gregory have a plan with them being under the aprons as it seems Beal is going to be stretched

Just hope there is a good trade in the works if they under the apron. That has to be the move and not just signing "Malcolm Brogdons" of the world

This is why I'm kinda not on board with the Williams trade now. Maybe it doesn't make a difference in the end but I'd rather have those 4 SRPs or that 2029 FRP available to be used in a potential Beal dump than not have. And I know people are very against using assets to dump Beal and I am too but I'm far more open to doing that than stretching Beal.

Like I look at the Bucks as setting the record breaking stretch provision precedent. The Myles Turner signing for the Bucks was a good thing and I think the value is a completely fine (around $25m per) but when you consider what the Bucks had to do to make it possible, that $25m per is really $25m plus $22.5m in Dame's dead salary. Turner's contract is is really $47.5m, $48.36m, $49.38m and $51.1m. There's a damn good chance that dead salary will outlast the Buck's career of Portis, Giannis, Kuz and Turner.

[lilfishi22]

Duane Rankin:


https://eu.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/03/phoenix-suns-discussing-possible-bradley-beal-buyout/84464670007/

Whatever you do, don't stretch that salary out

Bottom half of the article mentions stretch and waive - so the inevitable will happen

Booker just might ask for a trade sooner than two years. I think he will play nice this year - but next summer - he might ask out

I have a higher tolerance for Ishbia than probably most because I think he came with truly great intentions, a proven willingness to spend and did a lot of genuinely good things purely for the fans that isn't expected to generate revenue but I would probably lose any remaining support for him if he stretched Beal and that led to Book demanding a trade.

If Book wants to move on, that's fine, he'll always be a Suns legend to me. But if he was to leave AND we have Beal's dead salary until 2030 or whatever, that would be all under Ishbia's watch.