Help Get Wiggins to the Lakers

[BBallFreak]

Yeah, Vincemt plays next to him, and he's a rookie, he's getting at least 25 MPG on this roster if not more...

No, sorry. The team has already said they want to see their youth. That means Jakucionis, Mitchell, Herro, Pelle Larsson, and Smith are going to be prioritized over have Vincent.

We are not trading Wiggins for whatever LA doesn't want. This shouldn't be that hard. He has enough value to warrant more than this.

Yeah, not buying that for a second, agree to disagree, Vincent would be much higher on the pecking order than you claim.

What's not to buy? He's a backup level guy who brings nothing we don't already have. Mitchell and Smith are better defenders. Mitchell and Smith are better shooters. I fully expect KJ to start by the end of the season and Mitchell to suck up all the backup minutes. What I saw of Smith last year was better than what we saw of Gabe minus that one playoff run. I don't see him beating out Mitchell or KJ and I don't see the value in paying him to replace Dru Smith.

[Mavrelous]

No, sorry. The team has already said they want to see their youth. That means Jakucionis, Mitchell, Herro, Pelle Larsson, and Smith are going to be prioritized over have Vincent.

We are not trading Wiggins for whatever LA doesn't want. This shouldn't be that hard. He has enough value to warrant more than this.

Yeah, not buying that for a second, agree to disagree, Vincent would be much higher on the pecking order than you claim.

What's not to buy? He's a backup level guy who brings nothing we don't already have. Mitchell and Smith are better defenders. Mitchell and Smith are better shooters. I fully expect KJ to start by the end of the season and Mitchell to suck up all the backup minutes. What I saw of Smith last year was better than what we saw of Gabe minus that one playoff run. I don't see him beating out Mitchell or KJ and I don't see the value in paying him to replace Dru Smith.

Not buying your ranking of 2-way gjy post ruprured Achilis, a rookie are better than a guy who started on a finals team.
Also, Davion Mitchell is not a better shooter, that's just absurd, he was traded twice as filler because of his lack of shooting.

[Godaddycurse]

Yeah, not buying that for a second, agree to disagree, Vincent would be much higher on the pecking order than you claim.

What's not to buy? He's a backup level guy who brings nothing we don't already have. Mitchell and Smith are better defenders. Mitchell and Smith are better shooters. I fully expect KJ to start by the end of the season and Mitchell to suck up all the backup minutes. What I saw of Smith last year was better than what we saw of Gabe minus that one playoff run. I don't see him beating out Mitchell or KJ and I don't see the value in paying him to replace Dru Smith.

Not buying your ranking of 2-way gjy post ruprured Achilis, a rookie are better than a guy who started on a finals team.
Also, Davion Mitchell is not a better shooter, that's just absurd, he was traded twice as filler because of his lack of shooting.

we traded mitchell to give minutes to shead and to get a 2nd. He shot better than vincent past 2 years..

[Karmaloop]

We've been asking for Rui, Knecht, and a first. I would imagine that we'd probably settle for two of those things, but Vando is an absolute non-starter.

And that's a non-starter for LA. The difference between Wiggins and Rui is a protected FPR OR Knecht. Not both.

[BBallFreak]

Yeah, not buying that for a second, agree to disagree, Vincent would be much higher on the pecking order than you claim.

What's not to buy? He's a backup level guy who brings nothing we don't already have. Mitchell and Smith are better defenders. Mitchell and Smith are better shooters. I fully expect KJ to start by the end of the season and Mitchell to suck up all the backup minutes. What I saw of Smith last year was better than what we saw of Gabe minus that one playoff run. I don't see him beating out Mitchell or KJ and I don't see the value in paying him to replace Dru Smith.

Not buying your ranking of 2-way gjy post ruprured Achilis, a rookie are better than a guy who started on a finals team.
Also, Davion Mitchell is not a better shooter, that's just absurd, he was traded twice as filler because of his lack of shooting.

Look at the last 3 years of shooting for Mitchell and Vincent and tell me who the better shooter is.

Last year, in 74 games, Mitchell shot 39.8% from outside. Vincent, in his best year, shot 36.8%. Check your numbers.

[Mavrelous]

What's not to buy? He's a backup level guy who brings nothing we don't already have. Mitchell and Smith are better defenders. Mitchell and Smith are better shooters. I fully expect KJ to start by the end of the season and Mitchell to suck up all the backup minutes. What I saw of Smith last year was better than what we saw of Gabe minus that one playoff run. I don't see him beating out Mitchell or KJ and I don't see the value in paying him to replace Dru Smith.

Not buying your ranking of 2-way gjy post ruprured Achilis, a rookie are better than a guy who started on a finals team.
Also, Davion Mitchell is not a better shooter, that's just absurd, he was traded twice as filler because of his lack of shooting.

we traded mitchell to give minutes to shead and to get a 2nd. He shot better than vincent past 2 years..

Wow, I was going by eye test, they both suck

[Godaddycurse]

Not buying your ranking of 2-way gjy post ruprured Achilis, a rookie are better than a guy who started on a finals team.
Also, Davion Mitchell is not a better shooter, that's just absurd, he was traded twice as filler because of his lack of shooting.

we traded mitchell to give minutes to shead and to get a 2nd. He shot better than vincent past 2 years..

Wow, I was going by eye test, they both suck

you said better, not if they were good . Mitchell shot really well with the heats though. might be a sample size thing

[dcstanley]

How about:
Knecht, Vincent, Kleber, 2031 FRP for Wiggins and Highsmith?

[ReggiesKnicks]

I think Knecht + Vincent + Kleber is fair for Wiggins

[BBallFreak]

We've been asking for Rui, Knecht, and a first. I would imagine that we'd probably settle for two of those things, but Vando is an absolute non-starter.

And that's a non-starter for LA. The difference between Wiggins and Rui is a protected FPR OR Knecht. Not both.

Did you read the post you quoted? I'm guessing not.

[BBallFreak]

I think Knecht + Vincent + Kleber is fair for Wiggins

We'd want the first or Rui, too. Knecht isn't much of an incentive and that's a big downgrade on the court.

[nzahir]

Rui and Vincent fill 2 major holes in Heat rotation and are very close to fair value, but Lakers are desperate so they'll add Knecht...

Vincent does nothing for our rotation. We have Mitchell, KJ, and Dru Smith at point guard. Vincent would be the 4th guy. Rui would help as it would allow us to use Jovic on the perimeter, more. We want Knecht because of the value, but his numbers are pedestrian. I mean, compare them to JJJ's this year, which everyone agrees was a regression, and see what I mean.

So it seems like Vando is a non starter from heat fans, fair enough

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love/Highsmith (we need to send out Milton and then can waive him for Highsmith)?

If we sign Horford, I would want HIghsmith. If we dont sign him, I would want Love

Fair?

[BBallFreak]

Rui and Vincent fill 2 major holes in Heat rotation and are very close to fair value, but Lakers are desperate so they'll add Knecht...

Vincent does nothing for our rotation. We have Mitchell, KJ, and Dru Smith at point guard. Vincent would be the 4th guy. Rui would help as it would allow us to use Jovic on the perimeter, more. We want Knecht because of the value, but his numbers are pedestrian. I mean, compare them to JJJ's this year, which everyone agrees was a regression, and see what I mean.

So it seems like Vando is a non starter from heat fans, fair enough

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love/Highsmith (we need to send out Milton and then can waive him for Highsmith)?

If we sign Horford, I would want HIghsmith. If we dont sign him, I would want Love

Fair?

Absolutely. I'd be very happy with that. Think we'd probably prefer to keep Highsmith for his perimeter defense

[dcstanley]

Rui and Vincent fill 2 major holes in Heat rotation and are very close to fair value, but Lakers are desperate so they'll add Knecht...

Vincent does nothing for our rotation. We have Mitchell, KJ, and Dru Smith at point guard. Vincent would be the 4th guy. Rui would help as it would allow us to use Jovic on the perimeter, more. We want Knecht because of the value, but his numbers are pedestrian. I mean, compare them to JJJ's this year, which everyone agrees was a regression, and see what I mean.

So it seems like Vando is a non starter from heat fans, fair enough

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love/Highsmith (we need to send out Milton and then can waive him for Highsmith)?

If we sign Horford, I would want HIghsmith. If we dont sign him, I would want Love

Fair?

You want Highsmith regardless, he's an actual rotation level player. Love is cooked.

[nzahir]

Vincent does nothing for our rotation. We have Mitchell, KJ, and Dru Smith at point guard. Vincent would be the 4th guy. Rui would help as it would allow us to use Jovic on the perimeter, more. We want Knecht because of the value, but his numbers are pedestrian. I mean, compare them to JJJ's this year, which everyone agrees was a regression, and see what I mean.

So it seems like Vando is a non starter from heat fans, fair enough

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love/Highsmith (we need to send out Milton and then can waive him for Highsmith)?

If we sign Horford, I would want HIghsmith. If we dont sign him, I would want Love

Fair?

Absolutely. I'd be very happy with that. Think we'd probably prefer to keep Highsmith for his perimeter defense

I assume we probably prefer Haywood

Is Love even viable as a backup 4/5 anymore in the playoffs? Stats look very meh, advanced data is ok

Maybe we ask for 1-2 2nds if its Love?

In reality I would love to add Wiggins to Rui and only throw in expirings, Knecht, 2nd, swaps if that helps

Maybe we should try and do a swap with a team that had a better record last year or think theyll have one this year for some 2nds

Would you guys take Knecht, Vincent and Maxi expirings, 3-4 2nds for Wiggins

[BBallFreak]

So it seems like Vando is a non starter from heat fans, fair enough

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love/Highsmith (we need to send out Milton and then can waive him for Highsmith)?

If we sign Horford, I would want HIghsmith. If we dont sign him, I would want Love

Fair?

Absolutely. I'd be very happy with that. Think we'd probably prefer to keep Highsmith for his perimeter defense

I assume we probably prefer Haywood

Is Love even viable as a backup 4/5 anymore in the playoffs? Stats look very meh, advanced data is ok

Maybe we ask for 1-2 2nds if its Love?

In reality I would love to add Wiggins to Rui and only throw in expirings, Knecht, 2nd, swaps if that helps

Maybe we should try and do a swap with a team that had a better record last year or think theyll have one this year for some 2nds

Would you guys take Knecht, Vincent and Maxi expirings, 3-4 2nds for Wiggins

No, not at all. We need two of Rui, Knecht, or a first.

[BBallFreak]

How about:
Knecht, Vincent, Kleber, 2031 FRP for Wiggins and Highsmith?

I would probably do that, but I'd send Knecht and Rozier to Utah for Collins

[nzahir]

Absolutely. I'd be very happy with that. Think we'd probably prefer to keep Highsmith for his perimeter defense

I assume we probably prefer Haywood

Is Love even viable as a backup 4/5 anymore in the playoffs? Stats look very meh, advanced data is ok

Maybe we ask for 1-2 2nds if its Love?

In reality I would love to add Wiggins to Rui and only throw in expirings, Knecht, 2nd, swaps if that helps

Maybe we should try and do a swap with a team that had a better record last year or think theyll have one this year for some 2nds

Would you guys take Knecht, Vincent and Maxi expirings, 3-4 2nds for Wiggins

No, not at all. We need two of Rui, Knecht, or a first.

Hard bargain

If theres no other altrnative, such as 1st, Rui, Knecht, 2 swaps, for Herb, then I do it

Rui+Knecht+Maxi/Gabe (we choose depending on how thing shae out with others) for Wiggins+Love/Highsmith

But we ask for 1-2 2nds if its Love (we give you guys Kleber)

[zimpy27]

Miami get Rui, Knecht, Kleber

Lakers get Wiggins, Love, SRPs


That's probably a good middle ground

[dcstanley]

I'd prefer to keep Rui but I'm comfortable with Rui/Knecht/Gabe for Wiggins/Highsmith. Highsmith is an underrated get, he shot 39% from 3 for the past two seasons and averaged 25 MPG last season. Love barely played at all last season-- averaged 11 MPG and only appeared in 23 games, pretty much a worse Kleber at this point of his career. If you're trading Rui, you need as many wings as you can get.

Luka/Melton/Bronny
Reaves/Goodwin
Wiggins/Highsmith/Thiero
LBJ/Laravia/Vanderbilt
Ayton/Hayes/Kleber

Still have Kleber's expiring, several pick swaps, and a 2031 FRP to make upgrades.