Benn Mathurin trades (Rockets and Pels)

[8305]

So the Pacers weren't willing to pay Myles Turner. I see the pro's and con's to this decision. With the knowledge that Pacers didn't want to pay Myles I have a tough time seeing an extension for Benn Mathurin. Looking for teams that might be a little shallow on the wing while possessing excess size. I saw the following:
Trade #1
Indiana trades Mathurin to New Orleans for Yves Messi
Pels have Derick Queen and Kevon Looney at the 5. Maybe a wing who can shoot and create his own shoot makes some sense?
Pacers obviously need a center.
Trade #2
Pacers trade Mathurin to Rockers for Tari Eason
Just listened to a pod cast where John Hollinger questioned Rockets having any legit wings?
And with Durant, Smith, Tompson playing the 4 is Eason getting squeezed?
Pacers need a center but if they lean into the small ball look of Toppin and Siakum another player of this ilk might make some sense?

I didn't do an exhaustive search of teams that might have a use for Mathurin while having young center/bigs who could be expendable. So if anyone sees another possible Matherin for a big transaction feel free to insert.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Missi has more value than Mathurin, unfortunately.

I think Houston holds onto Eason and would rather move Whitmore for a couple/few 2nds.

[K_chile22]

Again, rockets can't take on any money in a trade, so this is dead but I would not trade Eason for a low feel scorer type

[Boneman2]

No need to deal Mathurin for lesser players. KP chose not to re-sign Myles in part to keep his options open with Ben. He could easily lead the Pacers in scoring, is an above average rebounder, and his defense is improving. All the tools are there

[Little Lupe]

Agreed,

At this point we need to see what we have with Mathurin. I am not sure he can play the beautiful game that we played this past year. He seems to need the ball in his hands a lot but, he can sure drive to the rim, is physical and has a good shot.

[LightTheBeam]

Don't like it for either of the other teams. Rockets got their scorer in Durant. Pelicans have a bunch of wings and Missi was promising.

I'm guessing Indiana is set on 5 out? If not, I'd look at Walker Kessler

[facothomas22]

Tari Eason holds more value than Mathirin right now. Don't see the Rockets without some draft compensation.

The Pelicans are very unlikely to be interested in moving on from Yves Missi.

If the Pacers for a big man, Walker Kessler or Onyeka Okongwu is likely to be their best bet without giving up entire the farm.

[bdpecore]

Mathurin would fit well on the Bucks but I don’t see Indy wanting to help them balance out their roster after signing Turner. Bucks would need to send Kuzma to a 3rd team to make the numbers work but this would allow Indy to take back a larger salaried center like Claxton.

Indy Out: Turner, Mathurin, future 1st
Indy In: Claxton

Bucks Out: Kuzma, AJax and 2032 1st Swap
Bucks In: Turner and Mathurin

Nets Out: Claxton
Nets In: Kuzma, AJax, Indy 1st and MIL 2032 swap

[QMemphis]

Missi has promise as a defensive big why get a player in Ben that struggles off ball and is a bench guy right now unless he gets better feel for the game.

Tari is on all levels a more valuable player than Ben. Off ball offense and more importantly defense.

[jbk1234]

Missi has more value than Mathurin, unfortunately.

I think Houston holds onto Eason and would rather move Whitmore for a couple/few 2nds.

I don't think Missi has more value than Mathurin. Missi wasn't all that impressive his rookie season. Mathurin gave the Pacers quality minutes in every playoff series he played in. Not every game, but every series.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Missi has more value than Mathurin, unfortunately.

I think Houston holds onto Eason and would rather move Whitmore for a couple/few 2nds.

I don't think Missi has more value than Mathurin. Missi wasn't all that impressive his rookie season. Mathurin gave the Pacers quality minutes in every playoff series he played in. Not every game, but every series.

I was impressed by Missi and he has 3 years of rookie control while Mathurin has 1.

Maybe we would swap Mathurin for Missi and maybe New Orleans prefer Mathurin's downhill style and offensive potential over Missi?

[jbk1234]

Missi has more value than Mathurin, unfortunately.

I think Houston holds onto Eason and would rather move Whitmore for a couple/few 2nds.

I don't think Missi has more value than Mathurin. Missi wasn't all that impressive his rookie season. Mathurin gave the Pacers quality minutes in every playoff series he played in. Not every game, but every series.

I was impressed by Missi and he has 3 years of rookie control while Mathurin has 1.

Maybe we would swap Mathurin for Missi and maybe New Orleans prefer Mathurin's downhill style and offensive potential over Missi?

I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about what Joe Dumars would do.

[Wizop]

If we were willing to trade Mathurin, we would've have paid Turner 30mm. I believe we let Turner walk so we didn't have to trade anyone else.

[8305]

If we were willing to trade Mathurin, we would've have paid Turner 30mm. I believe we let Turner walk so we didn't have to trade anyone else.

If Turner had accepted Pacers offer (22mi/yr?), what would they have offered Benn? And, what would the tax implications be?
Given the Pacers aversion to paying the tax and the effective hard cap the league imposes I’m not seeing how retaining both could have worked.

[Wizop]

If we were willing to trade Mathurin, we would've have paid Turner 30mm. I believe we let Turner walk so we didn't have to trade anyone else.

If Turner had accepted Pacers offer (22mi/yr?), what would they have offered Benn? And, what would the tax implications be?
Given the Pacers aversion to paying the tax and the effective hard cap the league imposes I’m not seeing how retaining both could have worked.

I agree retaining both wouldn't have worked. We chose retaining Benn. I don't think the decision was to lose both.

[8305]

If we were willing to trade Mathurin, we would've have paid Turner 30mm. I believe we let Turner walk so we didn't have to trade anyone else.

If Turner had accepted Pacers offer (22mi/yr?), what would they have offered Benn? And, what would the tax implications be?
Given the Pacers aversion to paying the tax and the effective hard cap the league imposes I’m not seeing how retaining both could have worked.

I agree retaining both wouldn't have worked. We chose retaining Benn. I don't think the decision was to lose both.

You may be right. If they chose Benn, what does that extension look like? I could see something along the lines of what they gave Obie. FWIW, I think choosing Benn over Myles is nuts.

[tmorgan]

Feels like Mathurin could have a big year for Indiana. No pressure, clearly a mini-tank since they have their pick back.

Let Math cook and I’m sure you could could get 20-22ppg on average efficiency — you’re just sacrificing a little smart defense and a lot of ball movement. Might up his value into “young DeMar DeRozen” territory.

Or yeah, call Weaver/Dumars. Who knows what they’d do. Weaver chose Ivey over Math in the draft, but I know he scouted him hard. I don’t see similar levels of idiocy in Houston, so I doubt that works as well.

[TheNetsFan]

Mathurin would fit well on the Bucks but I don’t see Indy wanting to help them balance out their roster after signing Turner. Bucks would need to send Kuzma to a 3rd team to make the numbers work but this would allow Indy to take back a larger salaried center like Claxton.

Indy Out: Turner, Mathurin, future 1st
Indy In: Claxton

Bucks Out: Kuzma, AJax and 2032 1st Swap
Bucks In: Turner and Mathurin

Nets Out: Claxton
Nets In: Kuzma, AJax, Indy 1st and MIL 2032 swap

I'd like the Nets to take a flyer on Mathurin, so if Indy is offering Mathurin and a first for Claxton, the Bucks portion, other than receiving Turner via S&T, could be cut out.

That being said, with Hali out, I think Mathurin may get a shot to shine this season.

[Scoot McGroot]

No need to deal Mathurin for lesser players. KP chose not to re-sign Myles in part to keep his options open with Ben. He could easily lead the Pacers in scoring, is an above average rebounder, and his defense is improving. All the tools are there

I wouldn’t say KP chose to not re sign Myles. It’s very possible he tried hard and overplayed his hand in trying to keep the contract low. I wouldn’t say that not paying Myles is to save money for Benn, when Indy may have the same trouble next offseason signing Benn that they had this year signing Myles.

[Scoot McGroot]

To the original, I definitely don’t think Indy would pay a 1st or Mathurin to add a large salary in Claxton when they’d probably feel comfortable that Jackson would similarly replicate what Clax does, but much cheaper.

I think if Indy can’t get another center with reliable range, they’ll probably just run it back with some combo of Bradley, Bryant, and Wiseman joining Isaiah Jackson.