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The Suns will need to go the full amount of his contract for Beal to agree. He knows they will do it. He plays the long game and he's content with it.
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HMFFL wrote:The Suna will need to go the full amount of his contract for Beal to agree. He knows they will do it. He plays the long game and he's content with it.
What motivation would the Suns have to buy Beal out for the full amount of his contract?
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KGDirkTD_Fan wrote:Suns and Bucks legitimately have no idea what they are doing. The FOs are a mess.
That's not true. Bucks front office is doing everything they can to keep Giannis. We are a small market team who does t get free agents easy. Do you really think Myles Turner would have signed here od Giannis wasn't here? Beal and Milwaukee make way to much sense but every contender is gonna want him at $3 millon.
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Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:The Suna will need to go the full amount of his contract for Beal to agree. He knows they will do it. He plays the long game and he's content with it.
What motivation would the Suns have to buy Beal out for the full amount of his contract?
Suns once they execute the KD trade and sign their #10 pick and the Euro minimum player they signed will be at $218,330,534 in salary with 13 players signed. Presumably Fleming, their #33 pick will be their 14th player to get to the minimum and he's making at least $1,272,870 (rookie minimum). That brings them up to $219,603,404. That is $11,779,404 over the 2nd apron.
The Suns don't have a TON of good options to save that money. CHI is the only team, I believe, with a TPE or cap space large enough to fit Allen and they don't seem likely to be interested in another SG. $11.8M is outside of salary matching rules to shed money off of Green or Brooks so you're looking at multiple trades or multi team deals there. Moving money is proving to be really difficult league wide too this year.
Waiving and stretching Beal is the only really viable option to getting below the tax without hurting the roster and/or paying draft picks (that they can't afford to give) to move money, most likely. The fact that they're discussing a buyout indicates that it's something they're at least exploring as their best option. Ideally he gives back some money each year, but end of the day if their duck the 2nd apron plan is waiving and stretching Beal and he won't agree to a buyout then eventually they have to decide to do it for the full amount or not (deadline for stretch provision is August 29th). If they don't waive and stretch him by then, they have to go some other route to duck the 2nd apron because they're fairly obviously not going to let themselves stay a repeater there for this team.
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The Suns would probably stretch his contract like the Bucks did Lillard's contract.
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hugepatsfan wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:The Suna will need to go the full amount of his contract for Beal to agree. He knows they will do it. He plays the long game and he's content with it.
What motivation would the Suns have to buy Beal out for the full amount of his contract?
Suns once they execute the KD trade and sign their #10 pick and the Euro minimum player they signed will be at $218,330,534 in salary with 13 players signed. Presumably Fleming, their #33 pick will be their 14th player to get to the minimum and he's making at least $1,272,870 (rookie minimum). That brings them up to $219,603,404. That is $11,779,404 over the 2nd apron.
The Suns don't have a TON of good options to save that money. CHI is the only team, I believe, with a TPE or cap space large enough to fit Allen and they don't seem likely to be interested in another SG. $11.8M is outside of salary matching rules to shed money off of Green or Brooks so you're looking at multiple trades or multi team deals there. Moving money is proving to be really difficult league wide too this year.
Waiving and stretching Beal is the only really viable option to getting below the tax without hurting the roster and/or paying draft picks (that they can't afford to give) to move money, most likely. The fact that they're discussing a buyout indicates that it's something they're at least exploring as their best option. Ideally he gives back some money each year, but end of the day if their duck the 2nd apron plan is waiving and stretching Beal and he won't agree to a buyout then eventually they have to decide to do it for the full amount or not (deadline for stretch provision is August 29th). If they don't waive and stretch him by then, they have to go some other route to duck the 2nd apron because they're fairly obviously not going to let themselves stay a repeater there for this team.
See my previous post, from my understanding the Suns can't waive and stretch Beal unless he agrees to a lower amount (I believe he needs to take a 20 mil cut).
As for getting below the second apron, Richards (5 mil), O'Neal (10 mil), Allen (17 mil) are all movable contracts if the Suns want to move below the second apron. Even if they can't dump those contracts, they could trade them for smaller contracts to get below the apron.
Even if waiving and stretching was an option for Beal, I'd still rather go the route of moving those guys instead to get below the apron, keep Beal and then have a ton of capspace in two years when he expires.
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There's also an alternate option of exploring trades for Jalen Green but the front office is set on keeping him unfortunately.
Realistically Beal is not getting traded or accepting a buyout where he accepts less money to walk so the best the Suns can do is just eat his salary for the next two seasons and wisely use the cap space when it's available. The KD trade triggered a slew of bad deals and trades where Suns gave up too many draft picks or assets as band aid fixes so they need to be smart and realize this is a team that is rebuilding for the future in a very tough western conference.
We likely are winning around 30-35 games next season and at best we win 40 games which probably is not enough even to get into the play in.
Realistically Beal is not getting traded or accepting a buyout where he accepts less money to walk so the best the Suns can do is just eat his salary for the next two seasons and wisely use the cap space when it's available. The KD trade triggered a slew of bad deals and trades where Suns gave up too many draft picks or assets as band aid fixes so they need to be smart and realize this is a team that is rebuilding for the future in a very tough western conference.
We likely are winning around 30-35 games next season and at best we win 40 games which probably is not enough even to get into the play in.
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Phoenix would be smarter to trade Booker and just let Beal be the tank commander for the next couple of seasons.
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New LAL Superfriend on deck!
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I was hoping and expecting this to be one of the first replies. You did not disappoint. Jroy have it all.
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JRoy wrote:New LAL Superfriend on deck!
This i doubt. I dont think he's gonna want to be behind BOTH Reaves and Luka. I can see him deciding to come off the bench, but in at least a prominant bench role, like he'd have in Denver. Though Milwaukee makes the most sense if he still believes in his own abilities. It would be the best opportunity for him to have a career revival
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Peace in the locker room.Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:The Suna will need to go the full amount of his contract for Beal to agree. He knows they will do it. He plays the long game and he's content with it.
What motivation would the Suns have to buy Beal out for the full amount of his contract?
Peace in Phoenix!
Beal was one of the biggest mistakes in the teams history.
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The Suns should launch a campaign to make his work life hell so he'll accept a trade anywhere next year and his expiring will become an asset.
Move his locker to the basement of the arena. Repaint the parking lot lines so his space is too small to fit a car. Make sure the only donuts he gets are jelly. Whatever it takes to break him.
Move his locker to the basement of the arena. Repaint the parking lot lines so his space is too small to fit a car. Make sure the only donuts he gets are jelly. Whatever it takes to break him.
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HMFFL wrote:Peace in the locker room.Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:The Suna will need to go the full amount of his contract for Beal to agree. He knows they will do it. He plays the long game and he's content with it.
What motivation would the Suns have to buy Beal out for the full amount of his contract?
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Beal was one of the biggest mistakes in the teams history.
Sorry but this is silly, the Suns would cut a roster spot and would still need to shed about 12 mil to get under the second apron. There have been no reports of Beal being a locker room disturbance. I agree that it's better to move on from him, but paying him the full amount with no capspace relief whatsoever makes zero sense.
The only way I see a buyout happening is if Beal has a deal lined up for atleast 10 mil per year with another team, and agrees with the Suns to shave 20 mil off his total salary. Beal gets to play where he wants and doesn't have to sacrifice financially, the Suns get their cap savings and move on from the Beal situation.
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We'll see what happens.Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:Peace in the locker room.Mr Puddles wrote:
What motivation would the Suns have to buy Beal out for the full amount of his contract?
Peace in Phoenix!
Beal was one of the biggest mistakes in the teams history.
Sorry but this is silly, the Suns would cut a roster spot and would still need to shed about 12 mil to get under the second apron. There have been no reports of Beal being a locker room disturbance. I agree that it's better to move on from him, but paying him the full amount with no capspace relief whatsoever makes zero sense.
The only way I see a buyout happening is if Beal has a deal lined up for atleast 10 mil per year with another team, and agrees with the Suns to shave 20 mil off his total salary. Beal gets to play where he wants and doesn't have to sacrifice financially, the Suns get their cap savings and move on from the Beal situation.
You don't seem to understand the relationship between Beal and the team is broken. It seems to me like they don't want him around.
And, it's probably not because he's a great locker room presence.
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That would be absolutely insane.
Just let him play and try to move him.
Just let him play and try to move him.
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HMFFL wrote:We'll see what happens.Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:Peace in the locker room.
Peace in Phoenix!
Beal was one of the biggest mistakes in the teams history.
Sorry but this is silly, the Suns would cut a roster spot and would still need to shed about 12 mil to get under the second apron. There have been no reports of Beal being a locker room disturbance. I agree that it's better to move on from him, but paying him the full amount with no capspace relief whatsoever makes zero sense.
The only way I see a buyout happening is if Beal has a deal lined up for atleast 10 mil per year with another team, and agrees with the Suns to shave 20 mil off his total salary. Beal gets to play where he wants and doesn't have to sacrifice financially, the Suns get their cap savings and move on from the Beal situation.
You don't seem to understand the relationship between Beal and the team is broken. It seems to me like they don't want him around.
And, it's probably not because he's a great locker room presence.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put anything past this team. I just think it would be a dumb move to buy him out without Beal agreeing to take a pay cut.
In terms of the relationship with the team, neither of us is close enough to the situation where we can definitely give an answer on this. However, all I've seen regarding Beal is that he didn't sulk when they moved him to the bench, and he's publicly stated on multiple occasions that he wants to be in Phoenix.
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As others stated this would be a terrible move by the Suns,he's on your books for two more seasons just let it be.You can move him to a 6th man role and see how he fits,if his play isn't good enough or cause issues in the locker room you just send him home for the season.
In a situation like that Beal might opt out of hi final season and even if he doesn't again would be and expiring contract which could be easier to move in '26.
But the real play to make is trading Booker and getting some young talent and picks back and let Beal/Green run the show for the season.
In a situation like that Beal might opt out of hi final season and even if he doesn't again would be and expiring contract which could be easier to move in '26.
But the real play to make is trading Booker and getting some young talent and picks back and let Beal/Green run the show for the season.
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Beal can still ball he could be a major addition to a contender.
Imagine him in GSW with Curry/Butler/Draymond
Imagine him in GSW with Curry/Butler/Draymond
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Beal trade isn't the worst ever but wow did it kill the KD/Book Suns. 4 FRP swaps and 6 SRPs along with CP3 in order to pick up a net negative player who was one of the league's worst contracts.
Think of all the other directions Phoenix could have gone. Could have traded for Jrue. Or Lillard (though that wouldn't have worked out so well). Or been really smart and nabbed Caruso. Or really done almost anything other than sell the farm for Beal. Even just keeping Chris Paul would have been so much better. Poor Suns.
Think of all the other directions Phoenix could have gone. Could have traded for Jrue. Or Lillard (though that wouldn't have worked out so well). Or been really smart and nabbed Caruso. Or really done almost anything other than sell the farm for Beal. Even just keeping Chris Paul would have been so much better. Poor Suns.
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Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:We'll see what happens.Mr Puddles wrote:
Sorry but this is silly, the Suns would cut a roster spot and would still need to shed about 12 mil to get under the second apron. There have been no reports of Beal being a locker room disturbance. I agree that it's better to move on from him, but paying him the full amount with no capspace relief whatsoever makes zero sense.
The only way I see a buyout happening is if Beal has a deal lined up for atleast 10 mil per year with another team, and agrees with the Suns to shave 20 mil off his total salary. Beal gets to play where he wants and doesn't have to sacrifice financially, the Suns get their cap savings and move on from the Beal situation.
You don't seem to understand the relationship between Beal and the team is broken. It seems to me like they don't want him around.
And, it's probably not because he's a great locker room presence.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put anything past this team. I just think it would be a dumb move to buy him out without Beal agreeing to take a pay cut.
In terms of the relationship with the team, neither of us is close enough to the situation where we can definitely give an answer on this. However, all I've seen regarding Beal is that he didn't sulk when they moved him to the bench, and he's publicly stated on multiple occasions that he wants to be in Phoenix.
I'm fine with a full buyout, just don't stretch the salary !