phanman wrote:lonea wrote:phanman wrote:How exactly was his Phoenix stint a failure? - because they failed to win it all? You do realize that their inability to breakthrough wasn't all on Ayton right? He was drafted into a **** of an organization that only turned things around after Rubio's addition in the bubble season and then CP3 coming on board.
Friendly reminder he was still the starting center for a Phoenix team that a pretty successful 3 year run:
2021: won 51 games as the 2nd seed made a run to the Finals in 2021 (5th in ORTG & 9th DRTG)
2022: won a franchise record 64 games where they finished 1st (4th in ORTG, 3rd in DRTG)
2023: an overall weird campaign highlighted by the trade for KD to go 45-37 (14th in ORTG & 7th in DRTG)
It's not like he was featured offensively with both Book and CP3 commanding the offense and then lateron KD.
Bruh... what you said is acceptable if he was like a late 1st round pick or something.
The problem isn't that he wasn't featured offensively, he doesn't have the tool and never improved himself to be the guy.
1st OVERALL pick and the best he can come up with is his "dominayton" meme?
Give me a break.
Where he was drafted is irrelevant. You've spewed nonsense into this thread talking about how he isn't worth an ~8m salary despite that being much less than starting center money in today's game. To put it into context for next year, he's going to be the ~195th highest paid player sandwiched between the likes of Vasilije Micic and KJ Martin who aren't even rotation players.
The only reason why I brought up the offense comment is because that is why he became disinterested in his role in Phoenix. Despite all that, they were successful with as an integral part on both ends of the floor.
The funny thing about it is that Ayton had his best per minute ppg of his career in 21-22 and 22-23, the situation helped him to be more efficient and score more points while having not too far off FGA/G.
Ayton is a great deal at $8M, obviously he's only that cheap because he was bought out and is making money from that. If people don't think he would have gotten / sought larger offers if he was a regular free agent, they haven't followed the NBA long enough.
Ayton should be fine on all the offensive things, great touch, athletic, finishes well, solid roll man, has a mid-range game. His motor will still be questionable, and his defensive impact will be undetermined, but he has the physical tools and potential to be a solid back line defender, it's of course the focus on motor aspects that are a factor. He will still be allergic to contact on both ends, and he's not as durable in the regular season as one would expect. His poor sleep habits as long as those continue will impact all those negative aspects even if he wants to be better.