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Can't. Don't have the means even if they wanted to at this point.basketballRob wrote:The Suns would probably stretch his contract like the Bucks did Lillard's contract.
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Mr Puddles wrote:HMFFL wrote:We'll see what happens.Mr Puddles wrote:
Sorry but this is silly, the Suns would cut a roster spot and would still need to shed about 12 mil to get under the second apron. There have been no reports of Beal being a locker room disturbance. I agree that it's better to move on from him, but paying him the full amount with no capspace relief whatsoever makes zero sense.
The only way I see a buyout happening is if Beal has a deal lined up for atleast 10 mil per year with another team, and agrees with the Suns to shave 20 mil off his total salary. Beal gets to play where he wants and doesn't have to sacrifice financially, the Suns get their cap savings and move on from the Beal situation.
You don't seem to understand the relationship between Beal and the team is broken. It seems to me like they don't want him around.
And, it's probably not because he's a great locker room presence.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put anything past this team. I just think it would be a dumb move to buy him out without Beal agreeing to take a pay cut.
In terms of the relationship with the team, neither of us is close enough to the situation where we can definitely give an answer on this. However, all I've seen regarding Beal is that he didn't sulk when they moved him to the bench, and he's publicly stated on multiple occasions that he wants to be in Phoenix.
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:azcatz11 wrote:$110M left on the contract. Buy out would be, for what, maybe $80m? He can recoup the $30M for sure if he wants to go to a contender.
I believe this may have legs
If the Suns wants to go full rebuild, I mean trade Booker and remaining Vets for picks , tank for couple of years and by that time clear this Beal Buyout off the books this makes sense
It’s the only smart way to rebuild , but knowing Ishbia they will fight for play ins for another 5 years then rebuild
Mr Puddles wrote:tsherkin wrote:Hard to envision Beal giving up money, so it would have to be something like Dame's deal getting stretched. He has about 54 mil due this year and like 57 in a PO next year, so that's a lot of change to stretch out over the next few seasons.
The Suns can't do this because there is a limit to how much of your team's salary can be 'dead salary'. The Suns would exceed that threshold if they bought out and stretched Beal, unless he takes a paycut.
Buying and stretching Beal is the dumbest thing the Suns can do anyway, he expires in two years. Take the short terms suffering, and the team would have a ton of capspace in the '27 offseason.
zimpy27 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:tsherkin wrote:Hard to envision Beal giving up money, so it would have to be something like Dame's deal getting stretched. He has about 54 mil due this year and like 57 in a PO next year, so that's a lot of change to stretch out over the next few seasons.
The Suns can't do this because there is a limit to how much of your team's salary can be 'dead salary'. The Suns would exceed that threshold if they bought out and stretched Beal, unless he takes a paycut.
Buying and stretching Beal is the dumbest thing the Suns can do anyway, he expires in two years. Take the short terms suffering, and the team would have a ton of capspace in the '27 offseason.
Suns can stretch $97m over 5 years. So Beal just needs to take a $13-14m haircut. Money he'd likely make up using TaxMLE. Similar to Ayton, actually Beal would give up less than Ayton just did.
Stretching saves Suns a ton of tax, more than they will accumulate with Beals dead cap over 5 years.
Suns aren't expecting to be in the free agency race either, they save tax and increase flexibility for trades this season and next.
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Nope, sure doesn't.Ambrose wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:
The Suns can't do this because there is a limit to how much of your team's salary can be 'dead salary'. The Suns would exceed that threshold if they bought out and stretched Beal, unless he takes a paycut.
Buying and stretching Beal is the dumbest thing the Suns can do anyway, he expires in two years. Take the short terms suffering, and the team would have a ton of capspace in the '27 offseason.
Suns can stretch $97m over 5 years. So Beal just needs to take a $13-14m haircut. Money he'd likely make up using TaxMLE. Similar to Ayton, actually Beal would give up less than Ayton just did.
Stretching saves Suns a ton of tax, more than they will accumulate with Beals dead cap over 5 years.
Suns aren't expecting to be in the free agency race either, they save tax and increase flexibility for trades this season and next.
You think Beal seems like the kind of guy willing to take a $14 mil paycut when he doesn't have to?
JujitsuFlip wrote:Nope, sure doesn't.Ambrose wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Suns can stretch $97m over 5 years. So Beal just needs to take a $13-14m haircut. Money he'd likely make up using TaxMLE. Similar to Ayton, actually Beal would give up less than Ayton just did.
Stretching saves Suns a ton of tax, more than they will accumulate with Beals dead cap over 5 years.
Suns aren't expecting to be in the free agency race either, they save tax and increase flexibility for trades this season and next.
You think Beal seems like the kind of guy willing to take a $14 mil paycut when he doesn't have to?
zimpy27 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Nope, sure doesn't.Ambrose wrote:
You think Beal seems like the kind of guy willing to take a $14 mil paycut when he doesn't have to?
Well he'd be able to get $12m back from taxMLE signing. So he'd lose like $1m after tax at most.
If he signs non-tax MLE with a team then he'd actually make more money.
No contender is paying Beal 30Mazcatz11 wrote:$110M left on the contract. Buy out would be, for what, maybe $80m? He can recoup the $30M for sure if he wants to go to a contender.
I believe this may have legs
Sane wrote:zimpy27 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Nope, sure doesn't.
Well he'd be able to get $12m back from taxMLE signing. So he'd lose like $1m after tax at most.
If he signs non-tax MLE with a team then he'd actually make more money.
You really don't get it. He wants all his money so that he can sign for the minimum anywhere so he'll sign for the team nearest to the sofa in his house. He doesn't care about winning at all. He doesn't want to have to choose only between the teams that have the NTMLE. He doesn't care about fit or minutes. If you don't care about winning and don't have any pride in your game, why give up even a dollar?
Sane wrote:It's a business and people shouldn't have to give up money but in my decades of watching the NBA I've never seen a player so disgustingly greedy about money while simultaneously having absolutely no love of winning. He is the most extreme example of this phenomenon by far and easily my least favorite player of all time. There are plenty of players I dislike for their play or things they said or things they did on a court. If I had to remove one player from basketball history, it would be Bradley Beal.
I seriously can't imagine a person who cares so little about being benched, criticized, unwanted while refusing to waive his NTC regardless whether it's to a more winning team or a bigger role. This dude has absolutely no pride in competing or winning. Has allowed an entire franchise to tank - not because he believes in his abilities but simply because he's too lazy to move somewhere else. What's been asked of him? To give a list of cities he'd be happy to play in whether for wins or comfort or more minutes. He doesn't care. Just wants the easy life, doesn't care that he's going to be losing and treated like an outcast.
OTOH the Suns acquiring him was so monumentally stupid that I wonder if this is perfect karma him ending up on Ishbia's team and tanking a title window. Choking out a franchise for 3 years. Consider for a moment that I'm a Houston Rockets fan. Every bad thing that happens to the Suns is good for my team because we own their picks. Still, I feel horrible for Suns fans and Beal is my least favorite player of all time.
zimpy27 wrote:Sane wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Well he'd be able to get $12m back from taxMLE signing. So he'd lose like $1m after tax at most.
If he signs non-tax MLE with a team then he'd actually make more money.
You really don't get it. He wants all his money so that he can sign for the minimum anywhere so he'll sign for the team nearest to the sofa in his house. He doesn't care about winning at all. He doesn't want to have to choose only between the teams that have the NTMLE. He doesn't care about fit or minutes. If you don't care about winning and don't have any pride in your game, why give up even a dollar?
I don't think you get it.
He can make more money with a buyout.
Sane wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Sane wrote:
You really don't get it. He wants all his money so that he can sign for the minimum anywhere so he'll sign for the team nearest to the sofa in his house. He doesn't care about winning at all. He doesn't want to have to choose only between the teams that have the NTMLE. He doesn't care about fit or minutes. If you don't care about winning and don't have any pride in your game, why give up even a dollar?
I don't think you get it.
He can make more money with a buyout.
No I don't think you get it.
"Can make" is worthless to Beal. He's never been willing to take a chance of any kind. You're saying there's a 50% chance he can make more but that's not guaranteed. Him moving to any other city is undesirable to him as far as we've seen for years. Even if he's able to have a 50% chance at making slightly more, he won't value that over staying put and not having to move houses and negotiate with teams. Who the hell is going to give him the full NTMLE for a guy who will likely play 50 games, no defense and has proven more than anyone in recent memory that he doesn't care about his team?
Bradley Beal wants to be guaranteed every penny of this contract and choose his team. Can he have under the table negotiations and find out if someone is willing to offer him that? Hell no. That's illegal, and he's risking his precious contract in that case. If he holds out, he will get all the money. What will the Suns do if he just says no to taking less money? They simply can't buy him out.
You think it's only about money, but it's about money AND comfort. There's never been a guy this fine with taking down a whole team, getting sh*t on, getting benched, playing for a hopeless franchise in the Wizards, his history is full of signs that he doesn't care about anything but his own comfort off the court. This is not your regular "I earned this money" guy. This guy is different.
Good luck to the Suns.
Memories wrote:What would be the point?
Did they see the Bucks waive Lillard and think “BUCKS GAVE US AN EXCUSE!” Without any context?
zimpy27 wrote:Sane wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
I don't think you get it.
He can make more money with a buyout.
No I don't think you get it.
"Can make" is worthless to Beal. He's never been willing to take a chance of any kind. You're saying there's a 50% chance he can make more but that's not guaranteed. Him moving to any other city is undesirable to him as far as we've seen for years. Even if he's able to have a 50% chance at making slightly more, he won't value that over staying put and not having to move houses and negotiate with teams. Who the hell is going to give him the full NTMLE for a guy who will likely play 50 games, no defense and has proven more than anyone in recent memory that he doesn't care about his team?
Bradley Beal wants to be guaranteed every penny of this contract and choose his team. Can he have under the table negotiations and find out if someone is willing to offer him that? Hell no. That's illegal, and he's risking his precious contract in that case. If he holds out, he will get all the money. What will the Suns do if he just says no to taking less money? They simply can't buy him out.
You think it's only about money, but it's about money AND comfort. There's never been a guy this fine with taking down a whole team, getting sh*t on, getting benched, playing for a hopeless franchise in the Wizards, his history is full of signs that he doesn't care about anything but his own comfort off the court. This is not your regular "I earned this money" guy. This guy is different.
Good luck to the Suns.
Warriors are yet to use MLE, I think they could be waiting for Beal.
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