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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#641 » by NW » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:53 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:I see that Kings fans aren't the only ones with delusions about Vivek that he is this mustache twirling villain barking at his G.M.s to do his bidding at all costs. It's laughable. He's not the meddler idiots paint him out to be. There's one lone example of him getting very involved when as a new exuberant owner he urged (not demanded) them to draft Stauskas because we needed shooting and he was an all-american who shot 42% from three. The horror!! What a meddling monster. Worst owner in the NBA!! That's literally where the stupid notion that he's a meddler comes from. His only problem is he's hired buffoons to be his G.M.s. First Vlade and then McNair. Maybe Perry will be different.

Right now there's a staring contest. Vivek has virtually zero to with any of this. Do people think he knows who is on other team's rosters? Or that he talks to scouts about college prospects or that he's some capologist making calls to other teams trying to manipulate the cap via a S & T lmao? No, he wants to win and he's tasked his G.M.s to make that happen. Maybe it'd be smarter to tank but that's not his prerogative and he's the owner and you can't fault him for that. But just because that's the case does not mean a competent G.M. can't make it happen with the current constraints of being a small market. Unfortunately the G.M.s he's hired just happened to have sucked so far. Perry has a chance to prove himself by making a shrewd trade. Will he allow himself to get fleeced like his predecessors or will he get good value. Either way, Vivek isn't making the call.

You guys have very little leverage. You need to temper expectations. He's an RFA that you don't want. There isn't a bunch of teams bidding against each other. You will not get better than Carter or Ellis, Saric and maybe a 2nd. You have a coach that doesn't value him and said so publicly, a fan-base lukewarm about him yet you expect top prospects and/or first round picks? Just be happy the Nets don't make him an offer you can't match and he goes ahead and accepts that and you don't get anything at all because the Nets are famous for doing so and they didn't draft a wing with any of their 5 first rounders plus they traded away Johnson.



Until there's a team with cap room, GS has plenty of leverage because JK wants to get paid. What the coach or fan base feels about him is irrelevant. Teams that want him do so because they believe that those feelings are wrong. The price will need to be for closer to what the Kings view Kuminga as, not the Warriors. So Carter/Saric's corpse/2nds won't cut it when GS can just keep him.

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#642 » by Jester_ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:53 pm

statsman wrote:
Jester_ wrote:However, I'm unsure what the point of your comment was, or who you're arguing against - most people here are in agreement that we'd give up Kuminga and possibly even a FRP for Carter and Ellis.

Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#643 » by DaHef » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:28 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:I see that Kings fans aren't the only ones with delusions about Vivek that he is this mustache twirling villain barking at his G.M.s to do his bidding at all costs. It's laughable. He's not the meddler idiots paint him out to be. There's one lone example of him getting very involved when as a new exuberant owner he urged (not demanded) them to draft Stauskas because we needed shooting and he was an all-american who shot 42% from three. The horror!! What a meddling monster. Worst owner in the NBA!! That's literally where the stupid notion that he's a meddler comes from. His only problem is he's hired buffoons to be his G.M.s. First Vlade and then McNair. Maybe Perry will be different.

Right now there's a staring contest. Vivek has virtually zero to with any of this. Do people think he knows who is on other team's rosters? Or that he talks to scouts about college prospects or that he's some capologist making calls to other teams trying to manipulate the cap via a S & T lmao? No, he wants to win and he's tasked his G.M.s to make that happen. Maybe it'd be smarter to tank but that's not his prerogative and he's the owner and you can't fault him for that. But just because that's the case does not mean a competent G.M. can't make it happen with the current constraints of being a small market. Unfortunately the G.M.s he's hired just happened to have sucked so far. Perry has a chance to prove himself by making a shrewd trade. Will he allow himself to get fleeced like his predecessors or will he get good value. Either way, Vivek isn't making the call.

You guys have very little leverage. You need to temper expectations. He's an RFA that you don't want. There isn't a bunch of teams bidding against each other. You will not get better than Carter or Ellis, Saric and maybe a 2nd. You have a coach that doesn't value him and said so publicly, a fan-base lukewarm about him yet you expect top prospects and/or first round picks? Just be happy the Nets don't make him an offer you can't match and he goes ahead and accepts that and you don't get anything at all because the Nets are famous for doing so and they didn't draft a wing with any of their 5 first rounders plus they traded away Johnson.

If JK isn't worth more than the Sac offer, then why such a fuss? Let it go, the Dubs will gladly keep JK and let him blossom here, or deal him to another franchise. No need to sell low to our neighbors up the delta.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#644 » by DaHef » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:32 pm

Jester_ wrote:
statsman wrote:
Jester_ wrote:However, I'm unsure what the point of your comment was, or who you're arguing against - most people here are in agreement that we'd give up Kuminga and possibly even a FRP for Carter and Ellis.

Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:

Remember how enjoyable it was last week watching the first round of the draft without a pick? I hope we stop giving those away.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#645 » by The-Power » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:34 pm

Jester_ wrote:
statsman wrote:
Jester_ wrote:However, I'm unsure what the point of your comment was, or who you're arguing against - most people here are in agreement that we'd give up Kuminga and possibly even a FRP for Carter and Ellis.

Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:

Why would ‘many’ want the Warriors to offer a FRP for players that aren't worth it even if you took Kuminga out of the equation? The purpose of a SnT would be to receive assets (however minor they might be), not to give them away.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#646 » by Onus » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:41 pm

DaHef wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
statsman wrote:Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:

Remember how enjoyable it was last week watching the first round of the draft without a pick? I hope we stop giving those away.

Think it would’ve been even worse if we had a 1st in 25. To see Utah jump in front of us and take the player we wanted would’ve been devastating.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#647 » by DaHef » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:05 pm

Onus wrote:
DaHef wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:

Remember how enjoyable it was last week watching the first round of the draft without a pick? I hope we stop giving those away.

Think it would’ve been even worse if we had a 1st in 25. To see Utah jump in front of us and take the player we wanted would’ve been devastating.

That's a great point, although if we still had the pick, it means we didn't deal for Jimmy and probably would have had a top 14 pick. :-)
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#648 » by vvoland » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:46 pm

Jester_ wrote:
statsman wrote:
Jester_ wrote:However, I'm unsure what the point of your comment was, or who you're arguing against - most people here are in agreement that we'd give up Kuminga and possibly even a FRP for Carter and Ellis.

Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:


Pretty sure it's just you and Evan. So, not "most" or "many" but "2"
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Post#649 » by AirP. » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:17 pm

vvoland wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
statsman wrote:Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:


Pretty sure it's just you and Evan. So, not "most" or "many" but "2"

Ellis will be an UFA after the season if there isn't an extension agreed to this season. Sacramento could have turned down his team option and he would have been an RFA this last season but they didn't want to spend the money(giving him a pay bunp a year early). There's going to be a lot more money available next season and Keon may get overpaid. Just the thought you may be renting Keon means you don't send a 1st in a Kuminga trade. Keon was on a two-way contract, not a normal rookie contract.

The current ask of a young talented player and a 1st would give GS decent value for Kuminga and probably much better fits for the team next year (usually being able to mold players to roles early in their career unless their name is Kuminga). I'm not even saying Kuminga is wrong, but how GS is roster wise, it doesn't work well if you're looking to try to compete for a championship.

Miami had somewhat the some situation with Herro and Butler, Herro just refused to quit shooting the ball (much like Kuminga/Curry) but outside of Herro's rookie year, anytime Miami made a huge run in the playoffs making it to the ECF or Finals, Herro was injured and barely playing if playing at all. Now Herro doesn't have Butler, he's the top option, made the all-star team and the team is bad and has gotten embarrassed each of the last 2 first rounds without Butler. Miami did win 1 1st round game without Butler where everybody seemed to not be able to miss 3s vs Boston, but outside of that game it was very ugly.
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Post#650 » by Onus » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:36 pm

Curry/podz
Ellis/buddy/carter
Jb/moody
Dray/gui/toohey
Horford/post/tjd

Add Knox to be in front of gui or maybe even key and that’s a deep athletic team with a lot of shooting. A 1st may be overkill but I don’t really value our 26 1st much at all since I expect it to be in the late 20s. And we don’t have any 2nds to trade.

I would like to get a bigger wing defender like herb jones somehow and with that I would be set
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#651 » by Jester_ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:37 pm

vvoland wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
statsman wrote:Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.


Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:


Pretty sure it's just you and Evan. So, not "most" or "many" but "2"


You missed a few others.

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Post#652 » by Onus » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:40 pm

Jester_ wrote:
vvoland wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Perhaps "many" instead of "most". :lol:


Pretty sure it's just you and Evan. So, not "most" or "many" but "2"


You missed a few others.

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And airp. Dozens!
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#653 » by AirP. » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:50 pm

Onus wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
vvoland wrote:
Pretty sure it's just you and Evan. So, not "most" or "many" but "2"


You missed a few others.

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And airp. Dozens!

Maybe before I found out Keon could be an UFA after this next season vs normal team control with a rookie contract player. Boy, did Sacramento screw up not making him a RFA this season. I'm probably a little higher on Carter than most here, I see him as a young GP2 type player.

For me, I think great value contracts are worth a lot, especially if you think you're going to be outside the lottery, I wouldn't have traded an expected post-Curry 1st, only a 1st in the next 2 years. The draft after the lottery, sometimes just after the top 3-5 players is a crap shoot.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#654 » by Onus » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:57 pm

AirP. wrote:
Onus wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
You missed a few others.

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And airp. Dozens!

Maybe before I found out Keon could be an UFA after this next season. Boy, did Sacramento screw up not making him a RFA this season. I'm probably a little higher on Carter than most here, I see him as a young GP2 type player.

Yea a 1st is steep for an ufa but really next year is likely our last year of contending anyway. If we could get more value like we give sac our 1st sac gives their 1st to New Orleans and we trade moody for herb jones.

We turn moody + jk and a 1st into Keon/herb and Devin. I think that would be great

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#655 » by AirP. » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:01 pm

Onus wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Onus wrote:And airp. Dozens!

Maybe before I found out Keon could be an UFA after this next season. Boy, did Sacramento screw up not making him a RFA this season. I'm probably a little higher on Carter than most here, I see him as a young GP2 type player.

Yea a 1st is steep for an ufa but really next year is likely our last year of contending anyway. If we could get more value like we give sac our 1st sac gives their 1st to New Orleans and we trade moody for herb jones.

We turn moody + jk and a 1st into Keon/herb and Devin. I think that would be great

Curry/podz
Ellis/buddy/carter
Jb/herb
Dray/gui/toohey
Horford/post/tjd

Sure, but at this time I'm not seeing any trade rumors with that possibility, that's just hope at this point. There's a number of players I'd be happy moving a 1st for GS for a sub 15 mil contract. Sometimes you're paying for value vs just straight talent, this new CBA will stress value after your top 2-3 big contracts, you better be sure those big contracts are your main players. With this type of thought by me, I wouldn't want to hand Kuminga one of those top 2-3 contracts for the team.
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Post#656 » by Onus » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:05 pm

AirP. wrote:
Onus wrote:
AirP. wrote:Maybe before I found out Keon could be an UFA after this next season. Boy, did Sacramento screw up not making him a RFA this season. I'm probably a little higher on Carter than most here, I see him as a young GP2 type player.

Yea a 1st is steep for an ufa but really next year is likely our last year of contending anyway. If we could get more value like we give sac our 1st sac gives their 1st to New Orleans and we trade moody for herb jones.

We turn moody + jk and a 1st into Keon/herb and Devin. I think that would be great

Curry/podz
Ellis/buddy/carter
Jb/herb
Dray/gui/toohey
Horford/post/tjd

Sure but at this time I'm not seeing any trade rumors with that possibility, that's just hope at this point.

All trade proposals are hope even the rumored possibilities. Like adding Keon Ellis is just hope. It’s why I usually hate discussing trade possibilities or proposals.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#657 » by AirP. » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:09 pm

Onus wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Onus wrote:Yea a 1st is steep for an ufa but really next year is likely our last year of contending anyway. If we could get more value like we give sac our 1st sac gives their 1st to New Orleans and we trade moody for herb jones.

We turn moody + jk and a 1st into Keon/herb and Devin. I think that would be great

Curry/podz
Ellis/buddy/carter
Jb/herb
Dray/gui/toohey
Horford/post/tjd

Sure but at this time I'm not seeing any trade rumors with that possibility, that's just hope at this point.

All trade proposals are hope even the rumored possibilities. Like adding Keon Ellis is just hope. It’s why I usually hate discussing trade possibilities or proposals.

Well, there's some talk about Keon on the recent Sacramento Lock'd on podcasts with someone who supposedly knows some things that aren't public. He thinks Keon should be a core player but indicates Sacramento deciding not to pay him a year earlier (this summer, having the ability to keep him as an RFA to retain him) seems to have caused a possible issue.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#658 » by thunderdunk » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:14 pm

statsman wrote:
Jester_ wrote:However, I'm unsure what the point of your comment was, or who you're arguing against - most people here are in agreement that we'd give up Kuminga and possibly even a FRP for Carter and Ellis.

Hell no to the Warriors adding a FRP in such a trade.

Not a 1st, but I'd add a 2nd, or maybe even another 2nd if it's a conditional pick in 2030 or 2031... Not sure Carter even makes the roster, but he'd be a cheap contract who might work out, or might be tradeable in the future (think Ryan Rollins, who might actually be worth another look as a cheap UFA, BTW).
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Post#659 » by Onus » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:16 pm

AirP. wrote:
Onus wrote:
AirP. wrote:Sure but at this time I'm not seeing any trade rumors with that possibility, that's just hope at this point.

All trade proposals are hope even the rumored possibilities. Like adding Keon Ellis is just hope. It’s why I usually hate discussing trade possibilities or proposals.

Well, there's some talk about Keon on the recent Sacramento Lock'd on podcasts with someone who supposedly knows some things that aren't public. He thinks Keon should be a core player but indicates Sacramento deciding not to pay him a year earlier (this summer, having the ability to keep him as an RFA to retain him) seems to have caused a possible issue.

Would be hilarious trading Keon and Devin. They’d go from having a back log LAVINE, monk, Keon, Devin, nique to just LAVINE, monk and nique. That would be like their pg situation having fox, haliburton, Mitchell to just Schroeder.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#660 » by AirP. » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:25 pm

Onus wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Onus wrote:All trade proposals are hope even the rumored possibilities. Like adding Keon Ellis is just hope. It’s why I usually hate discussing trade possibilities or proposals.

Well, there's some talk about Keon on the recent Sacramento Lock'd on podcasts with someone who supposedly knows some things that aren't public. He thinks Keon should be a core player but indicates Sacramento deciding not to pay him a year earlier (this summer, having the ability to keep him as an RFA to retain him) seems to have caused a possible issue.

Would be hilarious trading Keon and Devin. They’d go from having a back log LAVINE, monk, Keon, Devin, nique to just LAVINE, monk and nique. That would be like their pg situation having fox, haliburton, Mitchell to just Schroeder.

The thought is that Sacramento is going to have a lost year this next season which might be a reason why they're in on Kuminga to allow him to do most of what he wants to do.

The owner of this franchise just seems to care about scoring or at least has scoring as their top priority. Yes, they've lost Fox and Halliburton recently, but another ex-PG just got 12 mil a year in Davion Mitchell for Miami and Monk is being shopped and possibly moved in the Schorder acquisition but we won't find out until Sunday at the earliest when they can finally send in these trades. There's a lot of movement still happening on agreed trades to expand more teams to try to extract more value.

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