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[vincecarter4pres]

sure but Knecht is basically a late 1st. Despite this claim he won't finish his rookie contract, he played 20 mpg over 78 games for a playoff team as a rookie and has a playable skill in being a shooter with size.

As always if you can get multiple unprotected firsts for your player not worth that, awesome more power to you, but I think it makes more sense to try and find deals that more closely represent his value.

I might well be low, but I feel confident I'm not low by multiple unprotected 1sts.

But who exactly thinks he’s definitively worth multiple unprotected 1sts?

The full on homer Twitterfinger McNetsfanatics’s on X?

There is a hyperbolic gulf between your proposed offer of a bunch of useless scrubs and a C rate prospect with no first round picks, while claiming Claxton as bad money; and a reasonable offer like one unprotected far out pick added to that, or a different offer with a pick almost a lock to be in the teens in ‘26 or ‘27 with say top 5 protection.

[vincecarter4pres]

Are we adding unprotected future picks?

Cause if not, I’m not seeing the allure for the Nets.

No. Claxton is probably not worth his contract. So the value is getting off the future years and a low level prospect.

But good to see fan prices in Brooklyn are still set triple retail even after the stuff that sells goes for far less.

Not a fan of Knecht, but I have to agree with you on this one. It feels like the realistic options for Claxton are drying up and if Ayton goes to the Lakers, then I admittedly have a hard time finding a fit. Considering we've now seen (on multiple occasions) what Marks can do in this spot, opening up more space in 2026 (and negating much of the money added in the MPJ and Mann deals), might be more valuable.

Based on the Nets MO this offseason, Brooklyn seems willing to take back multi-year deals and additional salary if its for a player they value and the pick is right. Between that and the Lakers' aversion to adding 2026 money, maybe including Vanderbilt better fit what both teams are looking to accomplish.

Honestly, I think Ayton going to LAL will manifest itself as the Lakes need for a different type of center that much more magnified by the trade deadline.

A lot of teams would love Clax at a reasonable price.

No picks and the main attraction being Knecht and almost unflippable old salary filler just ain’t it.

[Texas Chuck]

Deal that still feels like it should happen is DeRozan to Dallas.

Either t Thompson/Marshall/Prosper for DeRozan or Martin/Marshall/Hardy/Powell for DeRozan.

Russell doesn't feel like enough offense pre-Kyrie and the Kings need more forward help. I think the 2nd version is better for both teams, but either way should work.

[Astaluego]

Seeing that the Nets have been willing to eat money long term (Mann/MPJ) I wonder if there was a trade and what it would have been like, involving Beal + 10.

[Texas Chuck]

sure but Knecht is basically a late 1st. Despite this claim he won't finish his rookie contract, he played 20 mpg over 78 games for a playoff team as a rookie and has a playable skill in being a shooter with size.

As always if you can get multiple unprotected firsts for your player not worth that, awesome more power to you, but I think it makes more sense to try and find deals that more closely represent his value.

I might well be low, but I feel confident I'm not low by multiple unprotected 1sts.

But who exactly thinks he’s definitively worth multiple unprotected 1sts?

The full on homer Twitterfinger McNetsfanatics’s on X?

This guy:

Still think Kleber/Vincent/Knecht for Claxton should happen. Then the Lakers push for Horford as well. But LA won't because that's future money.

Not sure how you get Luka, still have Lebron, and want to wait 2 years to try and put the team together. Weird. Luka showed just a year ago he doesn't need that much.

Are we adding unprotected future picks?

Cause if not, I’m not seeing the allure for the Nets.

You asked for unprotected future firsts. It was you.

[vincecarter4pres]

sure but Knecht is basically a late 1st. Despite this claim he won't finish his rookie contract, he played 20 mpg over 78 games for a playoff team as a rookie and has a playable skill in being a shooter with size.

As always if you can get multiple unprotected firsts for your player not worth that, awesome more power to you, but I think it makes more sense to try and find deals that more closely represent his value.

I might well be low, but I feel confident I'm not low by multiple unprotected 1sts.

But who exactly thinks he’s definitively worth multiple unprotected 1sts?

The full on homer Twitterfinger McNetsfanatics’s on X?

This guy:

Still think Kleber/Vincent/Knecht for Claxton should happen. Then the Lakers push for Horford as well. But LA won't because that's future money.

Not sure how you get Luka, still have Lebron, and want to wait 2 years to try and put the team together. Weird. Luka showed just a year ago he doesn't need that much.

Are we adding unprotected future picks?

Cause if not, I’m not seeing the allure for the Nets.

You asked for unprotected future firsts. It was you.

Lol, I guess guilty as charged, but was just being dramatic in the opposite polar to make a point.

[vincecarter4pres]

Seeing that the Nets have been willing to eat money long term (Mann/MPJ) I wonder if there was a trade and what it would have been like, involving Beal + 10.

My feeling is, if Phoenix was actually interested in 10 for Clax on draft night, Beal probably was a required include on the Suns side and was a hard sticking point from Brooklyn’s; and/or Beal was not amenable to a trade at the time, at least and especially to Brooklyn.

[In-N-Out 247]

sure but Knecht is basically a late 1st. Despite this claim he won't finish his rookie contract, he played 20 mpg over 78 games for a playoff team as a rookie and has a playable skill in being a shooter with size.

As always if you can get multiple unprotected firsts for your player not worth that, awesome more power to you, but I think it makes more sense to try and find deals that more closely represent his value.

I might well be low, but I feel confident I'm not low by multiple unprotected 1sts.

What do you mean by this comment? Are you suggesting Dalton Knecht will have his 3rd or 4th year TO declined?

[vincecarter4pres]

sure but Knecht is basically a late 1st. Despite this claim he won't finish his rookie contract, he played 20 mpg over 78 games for a playoff team as a rookie and has a playable skill in being a shooter with size.

As always if you can get multiple unprotected firsts for your player not worth that, awesome more power to you, but I think it makes more sense to try and find deals that more closely represent his value.

I might well be low, but I feel confident I'm not low by multiple unprotected 1sts.

What do you mean by this comment? Are you suggesting Dalton Knecht will have his 3rd or 4th year TO declined?

I think he’s referring to someone else in this thread who said this.

And although I can’t agree with that statement, it’s probably a lot more likely he is at the end of a bench by his 4th or 5th season, then a player of actual note.

[Texas Chuck]

Lol, I guess guilty as charged, but was just being dramatic in the opposite polar to make a point.

The difference is I wasn't being dramatic. I sincerely think that's a deal that makes sense for both sides.

I do recognize most here think I'm on the low end of Claxton's value, but I wasn't trying to be shocking or extreme. I made a sincere proposal, I promise.

[vincecarter4pres]

Lol, I guess guilty as charged, but was just being dramatic in the opposite polar to make a point.

The difference is I wasn't being dramatic. I sincerely think that's a deal that makes sense for both sides.

I do recognize most here think I'm on the low end of Claxton's value, but I wasn't trying to be shocking or extreme. I made a sincere proposal, I promise.

Very true and I don’t necessarily think Claxton’s value is extreme either.

But I do think he would look fantastic on a contender in a proper role.

Don’t think his salary is bad for a young starting quality center who can quarterback a defense.

And I’m not exceptionally high on Dalton’s value, potential, or worth on this BK team’s timeline as the centerpiece in a Clax deal.

To me, Clax is at worst, an is what he is player. A starting quality big man who can fit in almost any lineup with shooting, at a young age, on a declining contract that is like an 8th of salary cap.

You should be able to dump a player like that instantly with at worst the addition of a couple 2nd’s, even assuming dealing him at a moment of weakness/desperation.

So again, taking that package for him now seems very counterproductive with all the factors, unless you believe Knecht is about to become the new Klay.

[daoneandonly]

Is there a trade out there that brings Klay back to the Bay area? He should retire there, and Dallas needs a guard who can create for others, not just himself.

[Godaddycurse]

Is there a trade out there that brings Klay back to the Bay area? He should retire there, and Dallas needs a guard who can create for others, not just himself.

probably sign a 1 day contract to retire there eventually. They have too many SG's as is currently

[daoneandonly]

Is there a trade out there that brings Klay back to the Bay area? He should retire there, and Dallas needs a guard who can create for others, not just himself.

probably sign a 1 day contract to retire there eventually. They have too many SG's as is currently

Yea I've just never been a fan of that approach. I'd like to see the player actually donn the uniform and play.

Do you think Moody is in their future plans?

[eminence]

How set is Chicago on bringing back Giddey?

Is there a sign and trade to Utah with him on a ~5/125 type deal?

[Godaddycurse]

How set is Chicago on bringing back Giddey?

Is there a sign and trade to Utah with him on a ~5/125 type deal?

his camp wants 30+ reportedly. if he was willing to accept 25 then bulls would've signed him already imo

[MoneyTalks41890]

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[zimpy27]

Deal that still feels like it should happen is DeRozan to Dallas.

Either t Thompson/Marshall/Prosper for DeRozan or Martin/Marshall/Hardy/Powell for DeRozan.

Russell doesn't feel like enough offense pre-Kyrie and the Kings need more forward help. I think the 2nd version is better for both teams, but either way should work.

I really like DeMar for Kuzma trade if Bucks can't get CP3. They need playmaking.

[MoneyTalks41890]

So I’m going to guess that the Bulls and Giddey come in at 3/75 with the third year a PO.

[daoneandonly]

I don't think it would be wise for Dallas to get DDr without sending out Klay. Look at the teams this past postseason, none of them had 4 past their prime players playing significant minutes and taking up a huge part of the team's cap.

Speaking of Klay, Knuppel mentioned in an interview I saw that he models himself after Klay. I know Charlotte is loaded with guards, but any interest in bringing him in as a mentor to their rookie?