Magic Offseason Finances Update

[zaymon]

Right now Black is irrelevant and on the hot seat. His current projected role is backup shooting guard that can’t shoot on a team that wants to win the championship.

Right now the 2 most likely players to be dumped are Jett Howard and Anthony Black.

I'm sure Black will continue to develop, but the catch 22 is that - if he does make major strides - there's no way we'll be able to afford his extension. He's not going to replace Franz, Bane or Suggs in a straight-up position battle even if he does improve. All 3 are here for multiple seasons. If we're contending, how likely is it that the FO would prefer an (improved) Anthony Black who is 70% of Suggs performance at 70% of Suggs' salary? Unless the DeVos's insist on getting down below the aprons you'd think a contender wouldn't risk the drop-off...

Imo, if Black continues to progress and if he develops a jumper, management will have to make a hard decision choosing between Black and Suggs.

They’ll have to consider how Suggs’ body will be by then..

I think its quite safe to say one of them will be traded for upgrade in the medium term future. They are not skilled enough to be both on the floor while we also have Franz and Paolo.

[jezzerinho]

I'm sure Black will continue to develop, but the catch 22 is that - if he does make major strides - there's no way we'll be able to afford his extension. He's not going to replace Franz, Bane or Suggs in a straight-up position battle even if he does improve. All 3 are here for multiple seasons. If we're contending, how likely is it that the FO would prefer an (improved) Anthony Black who is 70% of Suggs performance at 70% of Suggs' salary? Unless the DeVos's insist on getting down below the aprons you'd think a contender wouldn't risk the drop-off...

Imo, if Black continues to progress and if he develops a jumper, management will have to make a hard decision choosing between Black and Suggs.

They’ll have to consider how Suggs’ body will be by then..

I think its quite safe to say one of them will be traded for upgrade in the medium term future. They are not skilled enough to be both on the floor while we also have Franz and Paolo.

Plus you hopefully have 2 extra cost controlled years from Richardson over Black. If Jase is as good as Black (prob better O but worse D), AB becomes very expendable unless he can give you something comparable to Suggs' level.

[basketballRob]

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[JoshuaPotter]

Imo, if Black continues to progress and if he develops a jumper, management will have to make a hard decision choosing between Black and Suggs.

They’ll have to consider how Suggs’ body will be by then..

I think its quite safe to say one of them will be traded for upgrade in the medium term future. They are not skilled enough to be both on the floor while we also have Franz and Paolo.

Plus you hopefully have 2 extra cost controlled years from Richardson over Black. If Jase is as good as Black (prob better O but worse D), AB becomes very expendable unless he can give you something comparable to Suggs' level.

No offense guys but the other side of this is Bane is known for missing up to 20 games per season as well. The fact that we can sit here an debate about depth is a problem hopefully well have this season, I am currently just thinking long term.

It could be that we use one of Suggs / Bane / AB to get a Porzings level center. Then suddenly you have successfully copied the Celtics homework.

[zaymon]

I think its quite safe to say one of them will be traded for upgrade in the medium term future. They are not skilled enough to be both on the floor while we also have Franz and Paolo.

Plus you hopefully have 2 extra cost controlled years from Richardson over Black. If Jase is as good as Black (prob better O but worse D), AB becomes very expendable unless he can give you something comparable to Suggs' level.

No offense guys but the other side of this is Bane is known for missing up to 20 games per season as well. The fact that we can sit here an debate about depth is a problem hopefully well have this season, I am currently just thinking long term.

It could be that we use one of Suggs / Bane / AB to get a Porzings level center. Then suddenly you have successfully copied the Celtics homework.

Its not for this season thats why i wrote mid term future. It could be for a center or it could be for a two way guard and then we can trade both Suggs and Black who knows. We have options and thats the most important.

[Knightro]

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There you have it.

$4.3M OVER the luxury tax.

$3.7M UNDER the hard cap first apron.

Penda can sign for a low as $1.27M or as high as $2.29M in 25-26 depending on how much the Magic want to pay him and how many years they want to give him.

One more minimum salary after that fills out the roster at 15.

The Magic can make a cost cutting trade during the season to avoid the luxury tax as need be.

[drsd]

I have the payroll now as:
Franz Wagner 38,661,700
Desmond Bane 36,725,670
Jalen Suggs 35,000,000
Paolo Banchero 15,334,769
Jonathan Isaac 15,000,000
Wendell Carter 10,850,000
Goga Bitadze 8,333,333
Anthony Black 7,970,028
Tyus Jones 7,000,000
Jett Howard 5,529,506
Moritz Wagner 5,000,000
Tristan da Silva 3,809,520
Richardson 2,983,320
Penda 1,272,869

193,470,715

That means 2,474,285 for Mr #14. If true, then Orlando can sign a vet with 4 or less years of NBA experience.
(Here's dreaming of a SnT for 4.5M for Amir Coffey to unload Howard)

[eyriq]

Surprised if we don't leave some money under the hard cap to avoid being a "Dallas"

[Knightro]

Penda at $1.27M and the Houstan back at $2.37M seems like the likely outcome here?

[Knightro]

Surprised if we don't leave some money under the hard cap to above being a "Dallas"

Meh. That was such a fluke situation and Dallas still didn’t forfeit any games.

You would have to have 8 players from your regular roster all unavailable with injuries *and* all three of your two-way contracts with their 50 game eligibility exhausted.

Odds of it ever getting to that point for any team to the point where they actually do have to forfeit a game is so low.

[Knightro]

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[Knightro]

A Jett trade is back on LOL.

[SOUL]

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If he's referring to the trade bonus, it was voided. The only other bonus he has is if we win the NBA championship.

[Skybox]

A Jett trade is back on LOL.

It's just a smart move for all parties...I'm not writing him off completely - just here. He's due $5.5, it doesn't even have to be a dump into cap space, it could easily be for a lesser salary deep bench player.

[Knightro]

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If he's referring to the trade bonus, it was voided. The only other bonus he has is if we win the NBA championship.

Unlikely to be earned incentives (like Bane's NBA title bonus) count against the aprons, but not the salary cap and luxury tax.

[Knightro]

https://www.capsheets.com/orlando-magic-cap-sheet/

$192,198,362 on 13 players.

Penda will sign for $1,272,870 bringing the total to $193,471,232 on 14 players.

Add in Bane's $1,233,090 in unlikely to be earned incentives which do count against the aprons, the Magic are at $194,704,322.

That is $1,240,678 below the first apron hard cap. That is not enough to sign a minimum player with 0 years experience as that minimum is $1,272,870.

They're literally $32,192 away from being able to afford a player with 0 years experience at the minimum - someone like Rob Santos from their summer league team as an example.

Now...

It's possible Tyus didn't get *exactly* $7M on the nose and Moe didn't get *exactly* $5M on the nose. If either one of those guys got $32,192 less than what is being reported, the Magic can sign a 15th player with 0 years experience WITHOUT moving Jett.

If they do move Jett and bring back $0 in salary, they would go from $1,240,678 below the hard cap to $6,770,398 below the hard cap. That would be enough for the Magic to sign TWO 9-year veteran minimums at $3,303,774 apiece.

It would also be enough for the Magic to use the $5,134,000 bi-annual exception and have enough left over to sign a 0 year experience 15th man to the minimum.

Are there any free agents out there worth $5.134M to you?

[eyriq]

https://www.capsheets.com/orlando-magic-cap-sheet/

$192,198,362 on 13 players.

Penda will sign for $1,272,870 bringing the total to $193,471,232 on 14 players.

Add in Bane's $1,233,090 in unlikely to be earned incentives which do count against the aprons, the Magic are at $194,704,322.

That is $1,240,678 below the first apron hard cap. That is not enough to sign a minimum player with 0 years experience as that minimum is $1,272,870.

They're literally $32,192 away from being able to afford a player with 0 years experience at the minimum - someone like Rob Santos from their summer league team as an example.

Now...

It's possible Tyus didn't get *exactly* $7M on the nose and Moe didn't get *exactly* $5M on the nose. If either one of those guys got $32,192 less than what is being reported, the Magic can sign a 15th player with 0 years experience WITHOUT moving Jett.

If they do move Jett and bring back $0 in salary, they would go from $1,240,678 below the hard cap to $6,770,398 below the hard cap. That would be enough for the Magic to sign TWO 10-year veteran minimums at $3,634,153 apiece.

It would also be enough for the Magic to use the $5,134,000 bi-annual exception and have enough left over to sign a 0 year experience 15th man to the minimum.

Are there any free agents out there worth $5.134M to you?

Good breakdown, I guess they really are threading the needle and avoiding any scramble-moves

[Idiosyncratic]

https://www.capsheets.com/orlando-magic-cap-sheet/

$192,198,362 on 13 players.

Penda will sign for $1,272,870 bringing the total to $193,471,232 on 14 players.

Add in Bane's $1,233,090 in unlikely to be earned incentives which do count against the aprons, the Magic are at $194,704,322.

That is $1,240,678 below the first apron hard cap. That is not enough to sign a minimum player with 0 years experience as that minimum is $1,272,870.

They're literally $32,192 away from being able to afford a player with 0 years experience at the minimum - someone like Rob Santos from their summer league team as an example.

Now...

It's possible Tyus didn't get *exactly* $7M on the nose and Moe didn't get *exactly* $5M on the nose. If either one of those guys got $32,192 less than what is being reported, the Magic can sign a 15th player with 0 years experience WITHOUT moving Jett.

If they do move Jett and bring back $0 in salary, they would go from $1,240,678 below the hard cap to $6,770,398 below the hard cap. That would be enough for the Magic to sign TWO 10-year veteran minimums at $3,634,153 apiece.

It would also be enough for the Magic to use the $5,134,000 bi-annual exception and have enough left over to sign a 0 year experience 15th man to the minimum.

Are there any free agents out there worth $5.134M to you?

So no Caleb in the 1st scenario? I'm fine with that, but was hoping we would have one more interesting summer league option. 15th man though, not a huge deal.

I'd pay Melton and Payton II 5 million all day. I think Melton will go to the Lakers though. Don't think there is another FA worth that (Paul/Horford are but aren't coming here). I think if you are trying your hardest to win a title this year slotting one of those guys in over TDS/Penda likely makes you a good deal better, but we do need to develop those guys for future years so I think maybe they will just roll with what they have.

[Knightro]

Edit: if they punt Jett they could afford TWO 9-year veteran minimums at $3,303,774 apiece. Not two 10-year veteran minimums.

[flying_mollusk]

Really just need to dump Jett. The opportunity cost he has is just so high. If we keep him, he better ball out.