Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Trade is Now Official

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Re: Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Valanciunas Considering Playing Over 

Post#301 » by -Luke- » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:49 pm

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JDR720 wrote:The Nuggets are cursed to never have a quality backup C.

Maybe Adelman is able to develop one and not f*** it up like Malone did with Hartenstein.

I mean there’s not “time” to keep developing one. You need to win championships. Joker needs a backup for years.

Maybe developing was the wrong term. Hartenstein was already a nice backup back then, but Malone refused to play him (meaningful minutes). He showed what he can do immediately after he left Denver. So it's true that the quality of Jokic backups was pretty bad so far, but it's not true there never was a good one.
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Re: Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Valanciunas Considering Playing Over 

Post#302 » by Alatan » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:52 pm

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Exp0sed wrote:I doubt it's a tactic. Val is basically their ideal (and realistic) Jokic backup, they would happily guarantee his 2nd year and likely would be open to extending it to a 3rd year, nullifying the need for any "tactics" on Val's end

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I disagree that he is the ideal Jokic backup. He might be the best backup that Jokic had but their games are not similar.

Al Horford would be a better Jokic backup because be could fill the point center role that also stretches the floor. Two characteristics that are cruicial for Nuggets offensive udentity.

The benefits dont stop there as he is also a good defender and can play next to Jokic in some lineups.
"Ideal" was probably the wrong word but def one of the better options available

As for Horford, i'm higher on big Al (peak and career wise) than most. i thought he was going to be a top 10 player in the NBA coming out of college and also thought in real time, that was was pretty underrated in his earlier days.with that said, he's pretty close to washed and going ti be 39 next season

He was still pretty effective in the title run but sadly i don't think we'll see that version of him again and he has noticably and statistically declined last season and the next drop will be even sharper

Val is 33, that's a big diff

also i don't think it's out of the question to play Val alongside Jokic in spurts and\or vs. the right matchup

We saw a Sengun\Steven Adams work surprisingly well and Jokic a much better outsider shooter while Val does have some range (unlike Adams)

Val started some games last season and was giving the business to random unintersted teams, he's got size, strength and some skills too and that allows him to be a menace vs. 2nd units - Horford can't play that role anymore and that wasn't his strong suit to begin with

Horford and Jamal 2 man game is pretty easy to solve as Horford is almost strictly popping, Val rolling down the floor vs. bench units with undersized 5's and and small ball 5's can put alot of pressure on the Defense, be a menace on the offensive boards and even draw some fouls. No1 is fouling Horford at this in his career

Horford is obviously much smarter and savvier, makes better reads and decisions and is a much better outside shooter and leader. If u had to close a game 7 with either, obviously you'd go with Al but for the next two seasons? give me Jonas, hands down

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I doubt that Al and Murray would be worse than Val and Murray but even then you can play Al in much more different setups while Jonad is pretty one-dimensional.
I also doubt that Jojic and Val can play together because the lack of spacing and rim protectuon. Horford brings enough size to punish smallball teams next to Jokic while also being a defender and floor spacer.

I would not mind having Jonas considering what Denver has now but if i could chose Al id do it 100% of the times. Even as he is much older.
And now that Valanciunas doesnt even want to play i have no doubts.
Why should Denver take a cap hit by buying him out when they can just buy out Saric for much less?
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Re: Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Valanciunas Considering Playing Over 

Post#303 » by Nuntius » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:14 pm

GSP wrote:Jonas is a loser if hes seriously considering this and not just using it as a negotiating tactic. By far best chance he has at a ring but i suppose some players just like posting empty calories double doubles on teams w/ no expectations. I see why Raptors traded his ass for Marc lol and won a title for it


What do you mean by no expectations here? By going to Panathinaikos he's now expected to win the EuroLeague, the Greek championship and the Greek Cup. Failure to win all 3 will be considered a disappointment and the transfer will be seen as a failure, especially if they don't win one of the Greek championship or the EuroLeague.

There'd be no pressure on Valanciunas if he stayed in Denver, though. No one would blame him for Denver not winning.
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Post#304 » by Nuntius » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:20 pm

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The4thHorseman wrote:I think it's safe to say that he's been in the league long enough for his family to have the proper credentials and paperwork to travel to see him in the states without worrying about being detained by ICE.


Sure but it's not like proper credentials matter to ICE. They have already detained people that did have proper credentials.

Were those people specifically here to see a professional athlete from their family play his sport for probably the hundredth time like his family has?


No. They weren't visiting. They were legally living and working there. Heck, ICE has even detained Native Americans. It's not like they can be trusted to know what they're doing.
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Post#305 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:47 pm

One day fans are going to stop being fooled by Valanciunas. He is a bad defender in this era. But he is finally coming off the bench which should limit most of the PNR damage, since you don't see a lot of highly skilled PNR ballhandlers off the bench.
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Post#306 » by Castle Black » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:48 pm

Huge loss for Denver. They're right back to desperately needing a backup Center, and the market's run dry with Horford expected to sign with Golden State.

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Post#307 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:53 pm

Ritzo wrote:Why is Valanciunas doing this? It's not like he's cooked, he's still an NBA starter caliber


He will have more stability and possibly a bigger role, and compete for Euroleague title. Hes been traded twice this year,

Hopefully, he will be more successful than last Lithuanian national team starting center joining Panathinaikos. PAO fans used to say that Javtokas was worst player to ever play for PAO, obviously a huge exaggeration.
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Post#308 » by ChuckChilly » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:07 pm

Drakeem wrote:Never a fan of a player agreeing to a contract to a certain amount of years and trying to renege on it, and tbh that extends to the real world. This is of course assuming no abuse/withholding of cash/misconduct in general.



Haven't vet Euro players done this plenty of times when making their way to the NBA though?
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Post#309 » by Optms » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:07 pm

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The4thHorseman wrote:I think it's safe to say that he's been in the league long enough for his family to have the proper credentials and paperwork to travel to see him in the states without worrying about being detained by ICE.


ICE has detained & deported US citizens so I don’t think it’s “safe to say” anything anymore.

Yeah, ok :lol:


Good god people.

He left because he got traded to Denver. Its not that complicated. Some of you need to include politics into every thing though. What next? Ace Bailey wanted to go to Washington to attend anti Trump protests to fight the powers? Why not.
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Post#310 » by ChuckChilly » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:11 pm

Should get on the phone with Memphis and bring Jay Huff back.
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Post#311 » by Nuntius » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:24 pm

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Drakeem wrote:Never a fan of a player agreeing to a contract to a certain amount of years and trying to renege on it, and tbh that extends to the real world. This is of course assuming no abuse/withholding of cash/misconduct in general.



Haven't vet Euro players done this plenty of times when making their way to the NBA though?


Yep. Also, Valanciunas didn't sign this contract with Denver. He got traded there.
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Post#312 » by KGtabake » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:26 pm

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Ritzo wrote:Why is Valanciunas doing this? It's not like he's cooked, he's still an NBA starter caliber


He will have more stability and possibly a bigger role, and compete for Euroleague title. Hes been traded twice this year,

Hopefully, he will be more successful than last Lithuanian national team starting center joining Panathinaikos. PAO fans used to say that Javtokas was worst player to ever play for PAO, obviously a huge exaggeration.



Obviously they misspelled Papagiannis.
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Post#313 » by ___Rand___ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:34 pm

Athens is a chill place to live. Not far from beaches and food is better/healthier than big macs and fries. He's near the end of his career. This is his "miami" move. I don't blame JV at all.
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Post#314 » by seren » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:37 pm

Can Denver even find a suitable replacement this late? They might have access to mid level but there are not many options to use it on.
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Post#315 » by Drakeem » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:00 pm

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Drakeem wrote:Never a fan of a player agreeing to a contract to a certain amount of years and trying to renege on it, and tbh that extends to the real world. This is of course assuming no abuse/withholding of cash/misconduct in general.



Haven't vet Euro players done this plenty of times when making their way to the NBA though?


Yep. Also, Valanciunas didn't sign this contract with Denver. He got traded there.
It's an NBA contract that states you can get moved during the duration of it. As a role player especially, being moved is part of the deal.

Euros coming to the NBA are a bit different because the draft just gives you the RIGHT to sign them if I recall, not an actual contract. However, I would agree that stashing the prospect is a bit dumb as well. If you're not ready to come over, don't commit.
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Post#316 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:08 pm

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Jailblazers7 wrote:
ICE has detained & deported US citizens so I don’t think it’s “safe to say” anything anymore.

Yeah, ok :lol:


Good god people.

He left because he got traded to Denver. Its not that complicated. Some of you need to include politics into every thing though. What next? Ace Bailey wanted to go to Washington to attend anti Trump protests to fight the powers? Why not.

I get your point about politics but let’s be real about the NBA:

Nobody is so unhappy to leave Vivek’s franchise that they decide to leave the NBA.

What happened was an international team paying enough money to outbid an NBA back-up levels for an aging European player who no longer has reason to think he can reach another level in the NBA.

Is it possible that the trade let to the Euro offer? Sure.
Was Jonas sad to leave the Kings? Doubtful.


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Post#317 » by DudetheObscure » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:23 pm

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magee wrote:With all the civil unrest going on in the US, I don't blame him for wanting to go back and be closer to home.


100%, especially if he’s got family flying in for visits during the season. I wouldn’t risk people I know getting caught up in ICE detention.

I think it's safe to say that he's been in the league long enough for his family to have the proper credentials and paperwork to travel to see him in the states without worrying about being detained by ICE.


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Post#318 » by DudetheObscure » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:25 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:I think it's safe to say that he's been in the league long enough for his family to have the proper credentials and paperwork to travel to see him in the states without worrying about being detained by ICE.


ICE has detained & deported US citizens so I don’t think it’s “safe to say” anything anymore.

Yeah, ok :lol:


All I can say is if you have not heard of the numerous cases of ICE and Border Control abuses that says something about where you prefer to get your news.
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Post#319 » by In-N-Out 247 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:28 pm

seren wrote:Can Denver even find a suitable replacement this late? They might have access to mid level but there are not many options to use it on.

Remember you can use the MLE like a trade exception, so they can take someone from a team looking to save $$$ without sending any players back. Plenty of teams out there in that situation.
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Post#320 » by Bodiroga13 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:31 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Ritzo wrote:Why is Valanciunas doing this? It's not like he's cooked, he's still an NBA starter caliber


He will have more stability and possibly a bigger role, and compete for Euroleague title. Hes been traded twice this year,

Hopefully, he will be more successful than last Lithuanian national team starting center joining Panathinaikos. PAO fans used to say that Javtokas was worst player to ever play for PAO, obviously a huge exaggeration.


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