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Bos/Sac/Ut 

Post#1 » by Cricket23 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:58 pm

Sacramento gives-
D. Derozan

Sacramento gets-
A. Simons

This depends on Sacramento sending out Monk to Detroit which I believe is going to happen.

Utah gives-
J. Collins

Utah gets-
D. Derozan

On the surface it doesn't look like Utah would want DeRozan, but he has a great reputation and I believe he would be an excellent mentor for Ace and the rest of the youngsters on the Jazz. Ainge could probably flip him if he wants but he's only guaranteed 10 mil in 26-27.

Boston gives-
A. Simons

Boston gets-
J. Collins

I actually like Simons and think he'd fit well with Tatum and White, if Brown was traded. That probably doesn't happen so Collins fits more of a need. Boston's best player right now at the 4 or the 5 is friggin Niang. Collins is a natural 4 who can fill in at the 5 in small ball lineups. Even moving forward, I could see him being a long term fit in Boston at less money. He's been widely viewed as a disappointment but if he made less and was a team's 4th or 5th best player it could be different. Boston saves just over a mil with this trade.
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Post#2 » by OGSactownballer » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:01 pm

You have Collins and Simons going to the wrong teams.

Sac would want to get Collins here to fill the hole at PF and we absolutely don’t need yet another small tweener guard that needs two dozen shots a night.
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Post#3 » by Cricket23 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:03 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:You have Collins Andersons going to the wrong teams.

Sac would want to get Collins here to fill the hole at PF and we absolutely don’t need yet another small tweeter guard that needs two dozen shots a night.


This is based on Kuminga coming to Sacramento with Monk heading out prior.
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Post#4 » by LightTheBeam » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:04 pm

DeRozan for Collins has been discussed on here a lot. Utah wants assets to make the swap. 2 2nds have been discussed.

If the Kings do trade Monk/Carter/Saric for Kuminga. I'd be way more open to giving 2 2nds and Derozan for Collins. Zero interest in Simons.

Sabonis/Maxime
Kuminga/Collins
Keegan/Nique
LaVine/Keon
Schroder

I'd be fine watching this going into next year
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Post#5 » by Cricket23 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:12 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:DeRozan for Collins has been discussed on here a lot. Utah wants assets to make the swap. 2 2nds have been discussed.

If the Kings do trade Monk/Carter/Saric for Kuminga. I'd be way more open to giving 2 2nds and Derozan for Collins. Zero interest in Simons.

Sabonis/Maxime
Kuminga/Collins
Keegan/Nique
LaVine/Keon
Schroder

I'd be fine watching this going into next year


So you want Collins as a reserve and Dennis as a starter. That's interesting. I assumed Sac would need a Guard more than a 2nd power forward.
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Post#6 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:12 pm

So the rumored Kuminga talks would have Saric/Monk/Carter going out, right? I could see this for them in that case:

Schroder / Simons
Lavine / Ellis
Murray / (Ellis)
Kuminga / (Murray)
Sabonis / Eubanks

I feel like they'd want to start Schroder/Lavine/Murray/Kuminga/Sabonis and see DDR unhappy coming off the bench. They also shed DDR's 2nd year partial guarantee. Simons is the kind of scoring PG that could work as long as you line him up with Sabonis at point center. I kind of like the fit here on the court and contractually.

For BOS... sure. Maybe they genuinely want to get a look at Simons but I doubt it. I don't think he's their style of guard on the defensive end. They prioritize that end a lot. Pritchard they tolerate because unless he's just in a size mismatch he actually plays good team defense and can hound other guard ball handlers well (plus he only makes $8M/year which helps you accept flaws). Collins fits the team better positionally for sure.

Utah doesn't really make sense here. I think they have more of a need/playing time opening for Collins in the front court than DDR on the wing. And they're taking on the 2nd year of money here.

I think Utah is definitely owed value from SAC here for the $10M next year. Maybe BOS owes something if you think that front court depth is more scarce than backcourt guys, but I doubt they'd pay it since in a Tatum-less season there's not really reason to sink assets into a lateral move at best for roster balance (it's probably better to let the garbage front court lower our win total anyway).

If SAC is willing to pay up a couple of 2nds, I think it's worth it. Utah still has a clean cap sheet next year and it's not like Collins seems likely to return much value unless they take back something somewhat undesirable. SAC could also just keep Collins for themselves and cut BOS out, as well. Possible they like Collins over SImmons.
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Re: Bos/Sac/Ut 

Post#7 » by LightTheBeam » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:20 pm

Cricket23 wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:DeRozan for Collins has been discussed on here a lot. Utah wants assets to make the swap. 2 2nds have been discussed.

If the Kings do trade Monk/Carter/Saric for Kuminga. I'd be way more open to giving 2 2nds and Derozan for Collins. Zero interest in Simons.

Sabonis/Maxime
Kuminga/Collins
Keegan/Nique
LaVine/Keon
Schroder

I'd be fine watching this going into next year


So you want Collins as a reserve and Dennis as a starter. That's interesting. I assumed Sac would need a Guard more than a 2nd power forward.


I assume they paid Schroder with the intention of starting him until they get a real pg upgrade. And even with Kuminga, we still only have 2 real forwards on the roster. Not sure what Collins market will be next year, but I'd be fine paying him now and resigning him on a DFS style contract at the end of the season.

Also from everything Sac media has reported, Perry really hates guards who don't play defense. Even more so ones who are undersized. He wants Monk/LaVine gone bad, I can't imagine he likes Simons whatsoever.

Also if we get Collins, we can still sign a backup pg we've been rumored for (Brogdon, russ?). If we take Simons, who are we signing at the backup forward spot?
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Post#8 » by LightTheBeam » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:22 pm

hugepatsfan wrote: For BOS... sure. Maybe they genuinely want to get a look at Simons but I doubt it. I don't think he's their style of guard on the defensive end. They prioritize that end a lot.


This is the exact reason Sac wouldn't be interested in him. Everything coming from Sac/Perry suggests they are prioritizing defense in the backcourt and don't like Monk/LaVine
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Post#9 » by Daddy 801 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:36 pm

Rather keep Collins.

Derozen could be the best mentor in the world from a relationship standpoint, but given their are already concerns of Ace being an iso player and the potential of not learning good habits it could be very, very bad if Derozen rubbed off on Ace.

Easy pass unless unprotected picks are coming back.
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Post#10 » by Cricket23 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:49 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:Rather keep Collins.

Derozen could be the best mentor in the world from a relationship standpoint, but given their are already concerns of Ace being an iso player and the potential of not learning good habits it could be very, very bad if Derozen rubbed off on Ace.

Easy pass unless unprotected picks are coming back.


Is their any reason that Utah would rather have Simons over Collins?
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Post#11 » by Daddy 801 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:53 pm

Cricket23 wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:Rather keep Collins.

Derozen could be the best mentor in the world from a relationship standpoint, but given their are already concerns of Ace being an iso player and the potential of not learning good habits it could be very, very bad if Derozen rubbed off on Ace.

Easy pass unless unprotected picks are coming back.


Is their any reason that Utah would rather have Simons over Collins?


I have strong opinion on Derozen not being on team. I don’t know Simons well enough to have a strong opinion. Another Jazz fan would have to speak up about that.
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Post#12 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:01 am

The only point of this deal would be the incentive attached to DeRozan for the extra year. As is, no.
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Post#13 » by Daddy 801 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:18 am

babyjax13 wrote:The only point of this deal would be the incentive attached to DeRozan for the extra year. As is, no.


And considering Utah has signaled keeping cap space open for next year I don’t see a deal happening.

I think Utah management is silly to not take on bad salary for assets, but maybe they know something we don’t about the cap space available next year.
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Post#14 » by OGSactownballer » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:27 am

I’m here trying to figure out where Utah gets any kind of extra (picks) for an overpaid Collins who is totally useless and redundant to their plan and roster?
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Post#15 » by Daddy 801 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:49 am

OGSactownballer wrote:I’m here trying to figure out where Utah gets any kind of extra (picks) for an overpaid Collins who is totally useless and redundant to their plan and roster?


Because Utah is taking on salary past this year.

There is no reason we have to get rid of Collins. So if you want Collins send an asset. If you don’t, Utah is in no rush to take back salary that goes past this year. If Collins sucks as some people think (which doesn’t match his stats last year, but whatever) then don’t trade for him.

Seems pretty strait forward.
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Post#16 » by Nate the Great » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:43 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:DeRozan for Collins has been discussed on here a lot. Utah wants assets to make the swap. 2 2nds have been discussed.

If the Kings do trade Monk/Carter/Saric for Kuminga. I'd be way more open to giving 2 2nds and Derozan for Collins. Zero interest in Simons.

Sabonis/Maxime
Kuminga/Collins
Keegan/Nique
LaVine/Keon
Schroder

I'd be fine watching this going into next year


Yeah. All you have to do is convince the Warriors they should make their team worse to make yours better. Perhaps if you pointed a gun at them, that would work.

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Post#17 » by LightTheBeam » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:56 pm

Nate the Great wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:DeRozan for Collins has been discussed on here a lot. Utah wants assets to make the swap. 2 2nds have been discussed.

If the Kings do trade Monk/Carter/Saric for Kuminga. I'd be way more open to giving 2 2nds and Derozan for Collins. Zero interest in Simons.

Sabonis/Maxime
Kuminga/Collins
Keegan/Nique
LaVine/Keon
Schroder

I'd be fine watching this going into next year


Yeah. All you have to do is convince the Warriors they should make their team worse to make yours better. Perhaps if you pointed a gun at them, that would work.


You think thw warriors are going to resign kuminga?
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Post#18 » by Nate the Great » Fri Jul 4, 2025 6:06 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
Nate the Great wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:DeRozan for Collins has been discussed on here a lot. Utah wants assets to make the swap. 2 2nds have been discussed.

If the Kings do trade Monk/Carter/Saric for Kuminga. I'd be way more open to giving 2 2nds and Derozan for Collins. Zero interest in Simons.

Sabonis/Maxime
Kuminga/Collins
Keegan/Nique
LaVine/Keon
Schroder

I'd be fine watching this going into next year


Yeah. All you have to do is convince the Warriors they should make their team worse to make yours better. Perhaps if you pointed a gun at them, that would work.


You think thw warriors are going to resign kuminga?


You think the only choices will be to resign Kuminga or to have to take Carter (who wouldn’t play) and Saric (who played very badly for the Warriors in the past)? Couldn’t they just cut Kuminga if they can’t get anyone who will help the team?

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Post#19 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jul 4, 2025 6:13 pm

Nate the Great wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
Nate the Great wrote:
Yeah. All you have to do is convince the Warriors they should make their team worse to make yours better. Perhaps if you pointed a gun at them, that would work.


You think thw warriors are going to resign kuminga?


You think the only choices will be to resign Kuminga or to have to take Carter (who wouldn’t play) and Saric (who played very badly for the Warriors in the past)? Couldn’t they just cut Kuminga if they can’t get anyone who will help the team?


well kuminga could sign his QO, then you would still have 8M in dead money if you cut him.. Unless you mean you will rescind his QO and let him leave as FA which kings would prefer
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Post#20 » by Nate the Great » Fri Jul 4, 2025 6:31 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Nate the Great wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
You think thw warriors are going to resign kuminga?


You think the only choices will be to resign Kuminga or to have to take Carter (who wouldn’t play) and Saric (who played very badly for the Warriors in the past)? Couldn’t they just cut Kuminga if they can’t get anyone who will help the team?


well kuminga could sign his QO, then you would still have 8M in dead money if you cut him.. Unless you mean you will rescind his QO and let him leave as FA which kings would prefer

But in that case, Kuminga would at least play for one more season. If they took the trade, Carter would go to G-league, and Saric would rot at the end of the bench. Steph isn’t getting any younger.

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