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[MotownMadness]

Pretty sure we would have to add Sasser and Klintman to get Collins

I believe we could trade for Monk first.... and then once that trade is complete we could then swap him straight up for Collins... since we'd still be below the luxury tax and their salaries are within 125% of one another.

Of course, that would mean Utah would be willing to trade Collins for Monk which they likely aren't unless some picks also go their way.

Yeah I’m sure Utah wants no part of taking him back

[tradez401]

How do we get Collins?

Ya I'd luv Collins too

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i wouldnt mind collins athletic lob threat, can shoot the 3 still only 27yrs old.

[A_dub06]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

[ComboGuardCity]

I can actually see us making a run at bringing back Grant especially if we can get an asset back.

I think with the Dennis exception, we actually would be able to do Grant and a pick for Sasser.

[zeebneeb]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

I want no part of Murphy. He is damaged goods. A torn labrum is brutal, and the recovery is equally bad. I had it done, and my range of motion is around 95-97%. He is a shooter, and will never be the same.

[GreekAlex]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

If it doesn’t look like we’re going to give Ivey the contract that his agent is seeking at the deadline, that might be the deal.

I wouldn’t part with Ausar and picks.

I think Ausar had the same or more value than Murphy as of today.

[the_l_train]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

I want no part of Murphy. He is damaged goods. A torn labrum is brutal, and the recovery is equally bad. I had it done, and my range of motion is around 95-97%. He is a shooter, and will never be the same.

I’m still scared of Ausars bloot clot issues. Can’t tell which one would be riskier between the two.

[A_dub06]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

I want no part of Murphy. He is damaged goods. A torn labrum is brutal, and the recovery is equally bad. I had it done, and my range of motion is around 95-97%. He is a shooter, and will never be the same.

I know shoulder injuries can be complicated but he would have access to the best surgeons and medical practitioners in the world so while it’s an issue for sure, I’d still take the risk and try.

[A_dub06]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

If it doesn’t look like we’re going to give Ivey the contract that his agent is seeking at the deadline, that might be the deal.

I wouldn’t part with Ausar and picks.

I think Ausar had the same or more value than Murphy as of today.

I think many pistons fans overvalue Ausar, I know he’s great defensively and there’s qualities to fall in love with but the glaring hole on the offensive end is quite the mountain to look past. He has a place in the league even if it’s a specialised role but to fully optimise his play and to offset the negative impact on offence you would likely need a Center that can shoot and make up the difference which is harder to acquire than what it is to just get a different wing that can play both sides of the ball which allows Cade to play better too.

Murphy’s tall, atheltic, can defend well and shoots well from 3 on high volume. I don’t think his injury tanks his value to a defence only player

[Piston Pete]

Between Ausar and Holland, one should be traded. Can’t have 2 guys at the same position, both of whom can’t shoot

[A_dub06]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

I want no part of Murphy. He is damaged goods. A torn labrum is brutal, and the recovery is equally bad. I had it done, and my range of motion is around 95-97%. He is a shooter, and will never be the same.

I’m still scared of Ausars bloot clot issues. Can’t tell which one would be riskier between the two.

Zeebs unfortunately has experience with the shoulder issue Murphy has and I the blood clot issue Ausar has. Blood clots are problematic but they can be managed with either anti-coagulants (which I have to take the rest of my life) or blood thinners. It’s more of an issue from an insurance perspective than anything since players are flying all the time and plane flights (though usually long haul) can caused deep vein thrombosis from being inactive in one position from prolonged periods. Essentially in Ausar’s case it’s about managing his medication and doing everything he can to make sure his circulation is as good as it can be especially through his legs to prevent another clot from happening. I’m not worried about Ausar, the same way I’m not worried about Murphy’s shoulder

[theBigLip]

I would prefer to shoot my shot for Trey Murphy. Would offer 2 picks plus Thompson or basically whatever they asked for to get him here.

If it doesn’t look like we’re going to give Ivey the contract that his agent is seeking at the deadline, that might be the deal.

I wouldn’t part with Ausar and picks.

I think Ausar had the same or more value than Murphy as of today.

I think many pistons fans overvalue Ausar, I know he’s great defensively and there’s qualities to fall in love with but the glaring hole on the offensive end is quite the mountain to look past. He has a place in the league even if it’s a specialised role but to fully optimise his play and to offset the negative impact on offence you would likely need a Center that can shoot and make up the difference which is harder to acquire than what it is to just get a different wing that can play both sides of the ball which allows Cade to play better too.

Murphy’s tall, atheltic, can defend well and shoots well from 3 on high volume. I don’t think his injury tanks his value to a defence only player

Saying Ausar is overrated is like saying Rodman was overrated. They are just amazing athletes that have an impact on the game.

[DetroitSho]

It's odd the same board wanting to trade Ausar and/or Holland after 1 and 2 years for their shooting constantly promoting wanting to acquire guys like Herb Jones, DFS, Divencenzo and Kuminga over recent times like they all didn't start out shooting subpar from distance.

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[Sheeeeed]

Ausar and Holland both have so much potential I'd wait it out until it's time to give them a 2nd contract to see how their shooting develops. Unless an amazing deal comes along of course, they should be held on to.

Some people just need to get off the ESPN trade machine or turn off NBA 2K. Nice to see the clamoring for 1st rd picks die around here. No one is trading them right now unless you used to run the Pistons front office, or they're picks in the next decade.

[Kalamazoo317]

Between Ausar and Holland, one should be traded. Can’t have 2 guys at the same position, both of whom can’t shoot

You can definitely have two (and more) amazing, defensive-minded athletes at the wing. Spacing is an issue if they play together too often, though, sure. I for one believe in Holland's shot coming around.

[Piston Pete]

It's odd the same board wanting to trade Ausar and/or Holland after 1 and 2 years for their shooting constantly promoting wanting to acquire guys like Herb Jones, DFS, Divencenzo and Kuminga over recent times like they all didn't start out shooting subpar from distance.

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Any of those guys (Herb Jones, DFS, Divencenzo and Kuminga) EVER shoot 22% or lower from 3 in a season?

[BadMofoPimp]

Between Ausar and Holland, one should be traded. Can’t have 2 guys at the same position, both of whom can’t shoot

I look at it more as Holland as a future PF and for now backing up Harris while Auser is the ultimate player who can play practically all 5 positions. It is not like they are purely set for a strict position moving forward. Both are developing nicely and would not want to give either up at this juncture. I think Pistons management agrees.

[A_dub06]

If it doesn’t look like we’re going to give Ivey the contract that his agent is seeking at the deadline, that might be the deal.

I wouldn’t part with Ausar and picks.

I think Ausar had the same or more value than Murphy as of today.

I think many pistons fans overvalue Ausar, I know he’s great defensively and there’s qualities to fall in love with but the glaring hole on the offensive end is quite the mountain to look past. He has a place in the league even if it’s a specialised role but to fully optimise his play and to offset the negative impact on offence you would likely need a Center that can shoot and make up the difference which is harder to acquire than what it is to just get a different wing that can play both sides of the ball which allows Cade to play better too.

Murphy’s tall, atheltic, can defend well and shoots well from 3 on high volume. I don’t think his injury tanks his value to a defence only player

Saying Ausar is overrated is like saying Rodman was overrated. They are just amazing athletes that have an impact on the game.

It’s really not, you’re talking about two completely different eras with different focuses on officiating where the former was based around physicality and defence, and the latter promoting only offence. Can you name a defensive only wing of the last 5 years that received a big contract?

It’s obvious how much Thompson can impact the game defensively but he can’t play the other side of the ball which makes the other 4 players job much harder on the opposite side of the court. This team as constructed can only go as far as Cade can take them which means surrounding him with shooters or at least players that can draw defenders to them to create space for Cade.

I want Thompson to succeed as much as anyone but have zero confidence he ever develops an average shot with his broken mechanics so if including him in a trade nets us a 25yr old +20 ppg scorer that shoots 3’s well on high volume and also defends well you take it. You can’t honestly say you would prefer to have Thompson over Murphy on this team right now surely?

[BadMofoPimp]

I think many pistons fans overvalue Ausar, I know he’s great defensively and there’s qualities to fall in love with but the glaring hole on the offensive end is quite the mountain to look past. He has a place in the league even if it’s a specialised role but to fully optimise his play and to offset the negative impact on offence you would likely need a Center that can shoot and make up the difference which is harder to acquire than what it is to just get a different wing that can play both sides of the ball which allows Cade to play better too.

Murphy’s tall, atheltic, can defend well and shoots well from 3 on high volume. I don’t think his injury tanks his value to a defence only player

Saying Ausar is overrated is like saying Rodman was overrated. They are just amazing athletes that have an impact on the game.

It’s really not, you’re talking about two completely different eras with different focuses on officiating where the former was based around physicality and defence, and the latter promoting only offence. Can you name a defensive only wing of the last 5 years that received a big contract?

It’s obvious how much Thompson can impact the game defensively but he can’t play the other side of the ball which makes the other 4 players job much harder on the opposite side of the court. This team as constructed can only go as far as Cade can take them which means surrounding him with shooters or at least players that can draw defenders to them to create space for Cade.

I want Thompson to succeed as much as anyone but have zero confidence he ever develops an average shot with his broken mechanics so if including him in a trade nets us a 25yr old +20 ppg scorer that shoots 3’s well on high volume and also defends well you take it. You can’t honestly say you would prefer to have Thompson over Murphy on this team right now surely?

You forget this is a team sport, not a how well you shoot sport. Auser can drive to the rim and make passes at a high level while still developing his game. He is too important to give away before he reaches his prime. Just the impact he had this past season has shown he is growing and will still grow.

[A_dub06]

It's odd the same board wanting to trade Ausar and/or Holland after 1 and 2 years for their shooting constantly promoting wanting to acquire guys like Herb Jones, DFS, Divencenzo and Kuminga over recent times like they all didn't start out shooting subpar from distance.

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This is generalising and without context. I don’t think anyone is saying trade them now just to trade them, but in the hypothetical situation of trading them for Trey Murphy who would be an insane two-way player for us and ticks every box that’s an easy yes.

They are also mentioned frequently because they still have some of that new shiny car appeal which outside of picks going forward carry the most value of anyone we could trade. Duren and Ivey’s value is lower than both these players imo