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Re: EXTEND WELTMAN 

Post#81 » by jezzerinho » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:15 pm

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How about a first-round series?


Sure. Let’s win one. But needing that first before recognizing what’s clearly building is just delayed honesty.


The fact that he’s still here is delaying honesty…having a great summer, but he’s had to undo costly mistakes and inaction. Let’s not crown him instantly after patiently sustaining him through years of meh. I’m very optimistic that he’s moving into “success mode” but let’s see.

Nico made the worst trade in history, won the Flagg lottery with 1.8% chance, then proclaimed some ish like “people are starting to see the vision” :lol:

Both are SUDDENLY on positive tracks but yesterday still matters


Well, Nico probably knew he was getting the 1st pick when he gave LA Luka. After all, Pels got the 1st (and Zion) after they gave the Lakers Davis. Silver is nothing if not consistent.
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Post#82 » by VFX » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:29 pm

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Sure. Let’s win one. But needing that first before recognizing what’s clearly building is just delayed honesty.


The fact that he’s still here is delaying honesty…having a great summer, but he’s had to undo costly mistakes and inaction. Let’s not crown him instantly after patiently sustaining him through years of meh. I’m very optimistic that he’s moving into “success mode” but let’s see.

Nico made the worst trade in history, won the Flagg lottery with 1.8% chance, then proclaimed some ish like “people are starting to see the vision” :lol:

Both are SUDDENLY on positive tracks but yesterday still matters


Well, Nico probably knew he was getting the 1st pick when he gave LA Luka. After all, Pels got the 1st (and Zion) after they gave the Lakers Davis. Silver is nothing if not consistent.


Do the Lakers need a one way power forward? Hmmm.

I kid I kid.
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Re: EXTEND WELTMAN 

Post#83 » by pepe1991 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:57 pm

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The Warriors had already won a title before they became a 73 win team


They did, but you forgot how.
Cavs starting 5:
Matthew Dellavedova
Tristan Thompson
Iman Shumpert
Mozgov
Lebron

Cavs bench: Jones and JR Smith


Missing players due injuries: Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving.


And when the Cavs were full strength the series still went to 7 games (with Kevin Love averaging a whopping 8ppg - big loss that he wasn't there the year before, lol), and the Warriors probably only lost because of a Draymond technical and suspension. Excuses can go both ways, they're not exlcusive to Durant.


Steph is one of my all time favorite players. But Steph is 4 times NBA champion, one time finals MVP. Steph didn't have amazing finals up until 2022. That's why he didn't win finals MVP in 2015, 2017 and 2018.


You're citing Finals MVP? That's like eyriq using sweater vest points as a legit stat. Be real, who do you think was the actual GSW MVP between these two stat lines:

Player A - 26ppg, 5rpg, 6apg, 1.8spg
Player B - 16ppg, 5rpg, 4apg, 1spg

Finals MVP is just a narrative. Steph was, is and always will be the engine of that dynasty.

KD only won title playing along side 3 all stars. That's always argument.


No, he won alongside guys who had already proven they could win without him, and were coming off back to back finals appearances and a 73 win season. He didn't just need help, he needed the help of guys who didn't need him. Because he's had plenty of chances to show he can lead a team himself, and with so much more help than anyone in the entire league. Just look at the supporting casts he's had over the years -

OKC: Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka
GSW: Steph, Klay, Dray
BKN: Kyrie, Harden, Jarrat Allen, Simmons
PHX: CP3, Booker

Phoenix are another case of Durant trying to ride the coattails of a team that could win without him. They'd been to the finals, had a league best record like the Warriors, and then Durant forced his way there and the franchise has been in free-fall since.

It's not even about Durant needing help, it's that he has had the help of former champs and MVPs his entire career and he's only once lead one of his teams to the finals.

He's an incredible scorer. He's probably the greatest #2 option to ever play the game. But he's a Robin, not a Batman. When he's Batman, the crooks take Gotham. If he leads Houston to a title this year, that'll probably be as sweet a victory as LeBron bringing a title to Cleveland and great for his personal legacy.


When Lebron had Kyrie and Love, Cavs won. As simple as that.

In same fashion how Warriors survived OKC ( Westbrook / Durant ( blowing 3-1 lead, Warriors lost in finals.
As for Iggy being voted as finals MVP, that voting wasn't even that close. 7-4 in his favor. Curry averaged 4,7 turnovers a game. Would i vote for Curry to win ? Probably. His lazy passing is one of reasons they lost 2016 finals.

As i was posting this, i rewatched last 6 min of 2016 game 7. Curry flat out choked under pressure. It was so bad, he couldn't shake off Kevin Love on perimeter . No wonder Dray cried and called Durant to save them same night.



"enjoy" . This is first time in near 10 years that i forced myself into watching Lebron winning that title :lol:


Whole Batman- Robin narative to me is bit silly, i never watched single Warriors game from 2017-2019 and thought once that Curry is better at basketball than Durant at any segment but long distance shooting. And stats pretty much back up how better Durant was than him at everything.

IN 2017 finals, he won Finals MVP unanimously. In 2018 was voted 7-4 over Curry.

Maybe that's also best "superpower" Curry has, to put ego aside and let others shine? Or be easiest superstar in history to run system around?
Who knows. Curry's legacy is better than Durant's, but from pure talent POV, but Durant is probably most talented offensive player to ever live. For multiple reasons he didn't win more. Spending years with Westbrook didn't help ( Westbrook only passed first round of playoffs once without Durant as starter )
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Re: EXTEND WELTMAN 

Post#84 » by cedric76 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:14 pm

What a masterpiece by Jeff, Moe s contract is a steal
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Post#85 » by eyriq » Fri Jul 4, 2025 6:12 pm

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Post#86 » by Message Boar » Fri Jul 4, 2025 9:59 pm

Dunno about Jeff's contract status, but I removed my anti-Weltman signature!

Now let's win some games this season!
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Post#87 » by Bensational » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:03 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Whole Batman- Robin narative to me is bit silly, i never watched single Warriors game from 2017-2019 and thought once that Curry is better at basketball than Durant at any segment but long distance shooting. And stats pretty much back up how better Durant was than him at everything.


You’re really underselling Curry’s game. He’s the greatest shooter of all time, backed up by stats, and he’s so good he revolutionised the game. And he won 2 championships without Durant, and had 3 finals appearances without Durant (4 if you include the year Durant tore his ACL). Durant only made the finals once without Curry.

Again, Curry didn’t need Durant, Durant needed him.

Durant is talented, but Curry is a winner. I do feel bad that Durant was robbed a season in his prime years with that ACL injury. If that hadn’t happened he might’ve had the juice to carry Brooklyn to the finals. But Curry faced his injury issues in his career and still won 4 championships, so resilience and reliability is just another area that Curry comes out ahead.

You won’t convince me that Durant is a better player than Steph. Hell, I’m gonna really upset you and say I’d pick Steph over LeBron if I ever had to build a team. The league bent over backwards to make LeBron the next Jordan/Kobe, but Curry came out of nowhere with no help and inspired an entire generation to change the way they played. Got his 4 rings in 12 seasons while LeBron needed 16 and a questionable bubble title to match him.

Only active player to challenge Curry’s greatness is Jokic, IMO. Damn, could you imagine if those two had been on the same team together? Talk about a dream partnership.
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Post#88 » by RichCollab » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:49 pm

We had no room for error. We have pretty much moved most of our movable assets. We won’t hold onto the core 4 but do we get 3 years out of it?

Health is critical. Results are what will determine the final verdict for me.

Mosley will be under a ton of pressure. I’m wondering how aggressive we will be if things sputtered out of the gate.
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Post#89 » by zaymon » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:58 am

RichCollab wrote:We had no room for error. We have pretty much moved most of our movable assets. We won’t hold onto the core 4 but do we get 3 years out of it?

Health is critical. Results are what will determine the final verdict for me.

Mosley will be under a ton of pressure. I’m wondering how aggressive we will be if things sputtered out of the gate.


We will reload on assets just as our core enters their prime. We still have assets left in our young players. They will hold even more value after successful season.
Health is always critical.
We have options.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#90 » by Bensational » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:41 am

zaymon wrote:
RichCollab wrote:We had no room for error. We have pretty much moved most of our movable assets. We won’t hold onto the core 4 but do we get 3 years out of it?

Health is critical. Results are what will determine the final verdict for me.

Mosley will be under a ton of pressure. I’m wondering how aggressive we will be if things sputtered out of the gate.


We will reload on assets just as our core enters their prime. We still have assets left in our young players. They will hold even more value after successful season.
Health is always critical.
We have options.


That’s another reason why I want to keep Houstan and Jett. Winning makes everyone look good and more valuable on the trade market. The Magic had a top 5 bench just a season ago, and the main difference between them was Ingles as a playmaker. Now we’ve got Tyus Jones and hopefully an improved and matured AB. If we can get back there then we won’t have to dump salary, we’ll be able to move it for future picks and better win-now pieces.
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Re: EXTEND WELTMAN 

Post#91 » by pepe1991 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:05 am

Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Whole Batman- Robin narative to me is bit silly, i never watched single Warriors game from 2017-2019 and thought once that Curry is better at basketball than Durant at any segment but long distance shooting. And stats pretty much back up how better Durant was than him at everything.


You’re really underselling Curry’s game. He’s the greatest shooter of all time, backed up by stats, and he’s so good he revolutionised the game. And he won 2 championships without Durant, and had 3 finals appearances without Durant (4 if you include the year Durant tore his ACL). Durant only made the finals once without Curry.

Again, Curry didn’t need Durant, Durant needed him.

Durant is talented, but Curry is a winner. I do feel bad that Durant was robbed a season in his prime years with that ACL injury. If that hadn’t happened he might’ve had the juice to carry Brooklyn to the finals. But Curry faced his injury issues in his career and still won 4 championships, so resilience and reliability is just another area that Curry comes out ahead.

You won’t convince me that Durant is a better player than Steph. Hell, I’m gonna really upset you and say I’d pick Steph over LeBron if I ever had to build a team. The league bent over backwards to make LeBron the next Jordan/Kobe, but Curry came out of nowhere with no help and inspired an entire generation to change the way they played. Got his 4 rings in 12 seasons while LeBron needed 16 and a questionable bubble title to match him.

Only active player to challenge Curry’s greatness is Jokic, IMO. Damn, could you imagine if those two had been on the same team together? Talk about a dream partnership.


Curry changed game, he is one of most influencal nba players since Jordan and to me best PG in nba history. Yes, even over Magic Johnson.

But game would revolutionize itself because whole world started playing perimeter oriented basketball at least decade before NBA did.

At Olympics n 2004, USA team lost to Lithuania and Argentina in same fashion. They were trading long 2s for 3s.

Coach K took over in 2005 or 06, and he started changing team into perimeter oriented ( Joe Johnson, Hinrich, Bosh, Brand... only one traditional C in Howard ). They lost to Grecee but that team was already shooting 3s at big rate. (28/66 shots vs Greece were 3s).

By the 2008 Olympics, Kobe and Durant alone averaged 14 -three point shots a game. ( for comparison's sake, in playoffs of 2008, teams averaged 17 -3FGA a game )

NBA,however took time... Because nba coaches were guys in 50s and 60s grew up in 70s and 80s who refused to change.
That said, in 2006-07 season, you had 61-21 Suns ( 24 - 3 FGA a game) and Spurs 58-24 - eventual champions - shooting 20 - 3FGA a game. WAY over league's average (16,9 -3 FGA). League was changing.

By the 2014, so year before Curry / Klay went to first finals, Spurs dismantled Heat and whole playoffs by shooting 41% for 3 for playoffs.
In finals, Spurs shot 46,6% for 3 and just broke Heat's defense. To this point this was biggest margin of victory of any nba team in finals ever.

That was moment of new nba era. Two things were clear:
1) you can sustain shooting quality with team offense
2) you can beat superior talent with concept of team offense and defense but you have to buy into system


Year later, more mature Curry, Klay, defense of Green, Barnes take over with sustained offense that can take +30 - 3FGA in playoffs and win games.


I love Curry, but just don't think he is any more talented than Durant. More accomplished. Eeasier to build team around, as you said, building around him is so easy, easier person to be around. Sure. but if i need to give ball to somebody in 4th to carry me to victory, it's Durant. Even Curry recognized it and that's why Durant was go -to -guy when they played together.

Warriors vs Rockets would be fun to watch in playoffs in upcoming year :pray:
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Post#92 » by eyriq » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:05 pm

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Post#93 » by eyriq » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:05 pm

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Post#94 » by RookieStar » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:19 pm

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Post#95 » by eyriq » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:30 am

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Can't see what you are trying to post bro
It's a tweet with Weltman hitting a grandslam
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Post#96 » by ibraheim718 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:15 am

This off season is the perfect example why you wait with young players to see exactly what you have before you Make a big splash. Amazing off season. How can anyone not be thrilled going into the 25/26 season?
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Post#97 » by RichCollab » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:23 am

ibraheim718 wrote:This off season is the perfect example why you wait with young players to see exactly what you have before you Make a big splash. Amazing off season. How can anyone not be thrilled going into the 25/26 season?


Need to see them play.
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Post#98 » by eyriq » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:25 am

ibraheim718 wrote:This off season is the perfect example why you wait with young players to see exactly what you have before you Make a big splash. Amazing off season. How can anyone not be thrilled going into the 25/26 season?


Absolutely. This is exactly how you build sustainably. You evaluate your young core first, then strike when the picture is clear. The front office nailed the timing.
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Post#99 » by RookieStar » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:14 am

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Can't see what you are trying to post bro
It's a tweet with Weltman hitting a grandslam


Ah... it wont load on my screen
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Post#100 » by eyriq » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:11 pm

I would wager money that the extension hits around training camp.

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