The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

[nzahir]

Provided this works out, that’s potentially 6 guys Redick can trust on the roster in Luka - LeBron - Reaves - Ayton - Rui and Laravia. If Knecht shows improvement, that takes it to 7. We still need another wing defender to potentially start at the 3 and a point of attack defender plus back up center. Maybe Boucher and Melton can solve 2/3 issues while the starting caliber wing arrives via trade for Vincent, Kleber and a pick. Vando and Thiero can be wildcards to throw in back to backs when the team needs a lift.

Thiero is a 2nd round rookie lol

Vando would only work for 10-20 min if we had a stretch C

No way Knecht fits with the defenders on this team

I wonder if Miami prefers a 1st or Knecht

Feel like Vando, Maxi, Knecht and Shake for Wiggins is fair

Not moving a 1st and Knecht

If they want Rui, then it’d have to be Rui, expiring, 2nd, swap later on

But I prefer to keep Rui and move Knecht/1st and salaries

Then sign Ben Simmons as Vando replacement

Boucher/Horford for Bae hopefully

Luka, Reaves, Wiggins, Bron, Ayton
Gabe, Laravia, Rui, Simmons, Horford/Boucher
Bronny, Goodwin, Hayes??
Melton?

[LikeABosh]

Re-signed Jaxon. Fine with that since he did well in the regular season

But now they have 15 players. So a trade must be incoming unless they don't want to use the BAE. I don't think they have any non-guaranteed contracts to cut

[nzahir]

Re-signed Jaxon. Fine with that since he did well in the regular season

But now they have 15 players. So a trade must be incoming unless they don't want to use the BAE. I don't think they have any non-guaranteed contracts to cut

Shake can be waived

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love+1-2 2nds/Wiggins+Highsmith

If no Horford, then use the Bae on Melton or Boucher. Or even Ben Simmons

[LikeABosh]

Re-signed Jaxon. Fine with that since he did well in the regular season

But now they have 15 players. So a trade must be incoming unless they don't want to use the BAE. I don't think they have any non-guaranteed contracts to cut

Shake can be waived

Rui+Knecht+Kleber for Wiggins+Love+1-2 2nds/Wiggins+Highsmith

If no Horford, then use the Bae on Melton or Boucher. Or even Ben Simmons

Ah I see.

Fischer says he heard that Melton will eventually sign with the Lakers. I wonder what the hold up is

I do like Melton tho. Injured a lot, but he's a great guard defender

[Slava]

Provided this works out, that’s potentially 6 guys Redick can trust on the roster in Luka - LeBron - Reaves - Ayton - Rui and Laravia. If Knecht shows improvement, that takes it to 7. We still need another wing defender to potentially start at the 3 and a point of attack defender plus back up center. Maybe Boucher and Melton can solve 2/3 issues while the starting caliber wing arrives via trade for Vincent, Kleber and a pick. Vando and Thiero can be wildcards to throw in back to backs when the team needs a lift.

Thiero is a 2nd round rookie lol

Vando would only work for 10-20 min if we had a stretch C

No way Knecht fits with the defenders on this team

I wonder if Miami prefers a 1st or Knecht

Feel like Vando, Maxi, Knecht and Shake for Wiggins is fair

Not moving a 1st and Knecht

If they want Rui, then it’d have to be Rui, expiring, 2nd, swap later on

But I prefer to keep Rui and move Knecht/1st and salaries

Then sign Ben Simmons as Vando replacement

Boucher/Horford for Bae hopefully

Luka, Reaves, Wiggins, Bron, Ayton
Gabe, Laravia, Rui, Simmons, Horford/Boucher
Bronny, Goodwin, Hayes??
Melton?

Anything more than straight forward salary relief for Wiggins is an overpay. I’d extend Rui at a reasonable price.

[PistolPeteJR]

Reports suggesting Melton to LAL is happening

[Slava]

What’s Orlando’s asking price for Jonathan Issac? Would simple salary relief be enough? That’s a potential ceiling raising defender if he stays healthy.

[nzahir]

Provided this works out, that’s potentially 6 guys Redick can trust on the roster in Luka - LeBron - Reaves - Ayton - Rui and Laravia. If Knecht shows improvement, that takes it to 7. We still need another wing defender to potentially start at the 3 and a point of attack defender plus back up center. Maybe Boucher and Melton can solve 2/3 issues while the starting caliber wing arrives via trade for Vincent, Kleber and a pick. Vando and Thiero can be wildcards to throw in back to backs when the team needs a lift.

Thiero is a 2nd round rookie lol

Vando would only work for 10-20 min if we had a stretch C

No way Knecht fits with the defenders on this team

I wonder if Miami prefers a 1st or Knecht

Feel like Vando, Maxi, Knecht and Shake for Wiggins is fair

Not moving a 1st and Knecht

If they want Rui, then it’d have to be Rui, expiring, 2nd, swap later on

But I prefer to keep Rui and move Knecht/1st and salaries

Then sign Ben Simmons as Vando replacement

Boucher/Horford for Bae hopefully

Luka, Reaves, Wiggins, Bron, Ayton
Gabe, Laravia, Rui, Simmons, Horford/Boucher
Bronny, Goodwin, Hayes??
Melton?

Anything more than straight forward salary relief for Wiggins is an overpay. I’d extend Rui at a reasonable price.

Miami won’t just take Rui and we need a starting wing defender

Knecht+Rui for Wiggins+Love+2 2nds

Now we can have 3 2nds for another deal

Other option is trade a pick swap or 2 with a team like OKC for a first

Then can keep Rui or see if Pels would take Rui, 2 1sts, Knecht for Herb Jones

[Slava]

Thiero is a 2nd round rookie lol

Vando would only work for 10-20 min if we had a stretch C

No way Knecht fits with the defenders on this team

I wonder if Miami prefers a 1st or Knecht

Feel like Vando, Maxi, Knecht and Shake for Wiggins is fair

Not moving a 1st and Knecht

If they want Rui, then it’d have to be Rui, expiring, 2nd, swap later on

But I prefer to keep Rui and move Knecht/1st and salaries

Then sign Ben Simmons as Vando replacement

Boucher/Horford for Bae hopefully

Luka, Reaves, Wiggins, Bron, Ayton
Gabe, Laravia, Rui, Simmons, Horford/Boucher
Bronny, Goodwin, Hayes??
Melton?

Anything more than straight forward salary relief for Wiggins is an overpay. I’d extend Rui at a reasonable price.

Miami won’t just take Rui and we need a starting wing defender

Knecht+Rui for Wiggins+Love+2 2nds

Now we can have 3 2nds for another deal

Other option is trade a pick swap or 2 with a team like OKC for a first

Then can keep Rui or see if Pels would take Rui, 2 1sts, Knecht for Herb Jones

I don’t understand why you’d want to trade away value for questionable fit. Wiggins hasn’t been useful to anyone outside that one Warriors run in 22. Trading Rui alone would be lopsided. Adding Knecht would be a disaster for a team that is already asset poor. Trading away unprotected picks to OKC to break a dollar into three quarters compounds the mistake of diluting value.

[nzahir]

Anything more than straight forward salary relief for Wiggins is an overpay. I’d extend Rui at a reasonable price.

Miami won’t just take Rui and we need a starting wing defender

Knecht+Rui for Wiggins+Love+2 2nds

Now we can have 3 2nds for another deal

Other option is trade a pick swap or 2 with a team like OKC for a first

Then can keep Rui or see if Pels would take Rui, 2 1sts, Knecht for Herb Jones

I don’t understand why you’d want to trade away value for questionable fit. Wiggins hasn’t been useful to anyone outside that one Warriors run in 22. Trading Rui alone would be lopsided. Adding Knecht would be a disaster for a team that is already asset poor. Trading away unprotected picks to OKC to break a dollar into three quarters compounds the mistake of diluting value.

Did you watch us vs Minny?

We lacked athleticism and size ofc

Wiggins is a solid fit, what’s wrong with his fit?

Knecht isn’t a good fit with AR, Luka and now Laravia

I also proposed swaps to receive a first. How is that breaking up a dollar? We can’t trade 26 or 28 1st anyways, so why not swap 1-2 for additional assets

You gave no better solution to fix our defensive issues, so let’s hear some ideas

[PistolPeteJR]

Miami won’t just take Rui and we need a starting wing defender

Knecht+Rui for Wiggins+Love+2 2nds

Now we can have 3 2nds for another deal

Other option is trade a pick swap or 2 with a team like OKC for a first

Then can keep Rui or see if Pels would take Rui, 2 1sts, Knecht for Herb Jones

I don’t understand why you’d want to trade away value for questionable fit. Wiggins hasn’t been useful to anyone outside that one Warriors run in 22. Trading Rui alone would be lopsided. Adding Knecht would be a disaster for a team that is already asset poor. Trading away unprotected picks to OKC to break a dollar into three quarters compounds the mistake of diluting value.

Did you watch us vs Minny?

We lacked athleticism and size ofc

Wiggins is a solid fit, what’s wrong with his fit?

Knecht isn’t a good fit with AR, Luka and now Laravia

I also proposed swaps to receive a first. How is that breaking up a dollar? We can’t trade 26 or 28 1st anyways, so why not swap 1-2 for additional assets

You gave no better solution to fix our defensive issues, so let’s hear some ideas

I have no interest in Wiggins either. Not sold on him at all. His motor has been subpar from day 1 in exception of that one season in GS in ‘22, and that’s been a big part of his problem since his college days in Kansas. I know this because I followed him closely back then, and frankly, had a bit of an insider scoop on him back then because I was plugged into basketball media. He’s also 30. The Lakers barely have assets as it is. Trading most of them in a gamble like this isn’t worth it.

If I’m LAL, I look at the following:

Aaron Nesmith
Pascal Siakam
Dillon Brooks
Royce O’Neale

While I think Siakam is next to impossible, I do think there’s a way to get the other 3, perhaps 2 out of the 3 if O’Neale was one of them.

[Mos_Heat]

Looks like Lebron is starting his buyout/trade compaign. At least I hope so

[nzahir]

I don’t understand why you’d want to trade away value for questionable fit. Wiggins hasn’t been useful to anyone outside that one Warriors run in 22. Trading Rui alone would be lopsided. Adding Knecht would be a disaster for a team that is already asset poor. Trading away unprotected picks to OKC to break a dollar into three quarters compounds the mistake of diluting value.

Did you watch us vs Minny?

We lacked athleticism and size ofc

Wiggins is a solid fit, what’s wrong with his fit?

Knecht isn’t a good fit with AR, Luka and now Laravia

I also proposed swaps to receive a first. How is that breaking up a dollar? We can’t trade 26 or 28 1st anyways, so why not swap 1-2 for additional assets

You gave no better solution to fix our defensive issues, so let’s hear some ideas

I have no interest in Wiggins either. Not sold on him at all. His motor has been subpar from day 1 in exception of that one season in GS in ‘22, and that’s been a big part of his problem since his college days in Kansas. I know this because I followed him closely back then, and frankly, had a bit of an insider scoop on him back then because I was plugged into basketball media. He’s also 30. The Lakers barely have assets as it is. Trading most of them in a gamble like this isn’t worth it.

If I’m LAL, I look at the following:

Aaron Nesmith
Pascal Siakam
Dillon Brooks
Royce O’Neale

While I think Siakam is next to impossible, I do think there’s a way to get the other 3, perhaps 2 out of the 3 if O’Neale was one of them.

I don't think Indi wants to lose another core piece, but would love Neismith and would move a 1st for him. Also a FA in 2027 and have bird rights

Royce has too many years for us, goes nto 2027-2028. Would have then kept DFS if we wanted a longer deal for an older guy

I dont think they move Siakam, and Indi paid 3 1sts for him

So we dont have enough, I dont think Rui, Knecht, a 1st, and swaps gets it done, and I dont see us moving AR for him

Dillon Brooks is another name I mentioned earlier as well, but I dont see why the Suns move him. Hes a great fit and brings some toughness to them

Unless they are going to blow it up and move Booker

I would prefer Brooks to Wiggins as well, but he is also not perfect. A worse shooter (unless you think this year was sustainable) and he takes some bad shoots.

[TroubleS0me]

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[ShaqAttac]

why we let go of dfs?

[trickshot]

Rob only uses ppg and fg% to gauge role players. The team should have one of the best small lineups but keep letting 3 and D guys walk for nothing to go win on other teams. It's like pick a lane already.

[Slava]

Rob only uses ppg and fg% to gauge role players. The team should have one of the best small lineups but keep letting 3 and D guys walk for nothing to go win on other teams. It's like pick a lane already.

Someone must have forgot to show him Jake Laravia and his 6.9 ppg last season then.

[RCM88x]

I don't think it's that complicated. Lakers are just cost conscious. They will take 60% of the player at 50% of the cost any day w/ non stars.

[nzahir]

I don't think it's that complicated. Lakers are just cost conscious. They will take 60% of the player at 50% of the cost any day w/ non stars.

Really a shame they dont value those winning kind of role players

The one time they did in 2020 they won it all (but also Lebron was the best player in the world come playoff time since this was pre injury with Solomon Hill and pre AD injuiries piling up)

DFS deal isn't even guaraneed in year 3....no clue why we didnt bring him back since it wasnt a longer deal. Unless Ayton wasnt going to take 5ihm instead of 8ishm

Sooo whats next?

If Wiggins can be had for 2 expirings (kleber and gabe), Knecht, a swap in whatever year they want, would be great. Can also look to make a swap with a team like OKC this year for a future protected 1st or some 2nds and throw those in to Miami instead of swapping with them

Then sign Melton for 5m, waive Shake

Luka, Reaves, Wiggins, Bron, Ayton
Melton, Laravia, Vando, Rui, Hayes

Other option is see if Portland would take back Vando+expiring+knecht for Thybulle and Rw3

Luka, Reaves, Thybulle, Bron, Ayton
Gabe, Melton, Laravia, Rui, Rw3

Can also go more simple and trade Gabe/Maxi+2nd for Rw3

I think going for high risk high reward guys makes sense if the cost is low. For example, Rw3 for an expiring and a 2nd

[zimpy27]

why we let go of dfs?

Because he was older and wanted to go to tax free Texas. The same money in his pockets from Lakers would have been like $30m/2

I don't think Lakers wanted him to go. LaRavia got the TaxMLE. Lakers expected to be above 1st apron so they expected to keep DFS.

Honestly though all the impact stats don't look kind on DFS. He's not much of a perimeter defender either anymore, he's a great big wing defender though.