Infinity2152 wrote:DrModesty wrote:Infinity2152 wrote:
What we should be worried about is people are worried about paying Giddey $30 mill and/or overpaying him in a summer where no team has cap space and he's restricted, but think we're re-signing Coby to a value deal next summer as an unrestricted FA in a summer with a ton of money out there.
We underpaid Coby for years. He's a staple. Giddey had a great half-season here. He watched the Lavine negotiations and he sees what's happening with Giddey. If we "overpay" Giddey, what are the odds we get a great deal with Coby?
There is a bit of a market correction going on with score first, can't defend guards.
Jazz had to add a 2nd to trade Sexton for Nurkic and both were expiring on the same size contracts.
Portland had to add multiple seconds to trade an expiring Simons for Jrue who has 3 years left, is viewed as overpaid, and might be starting to hit the wall.
Ty Jerome just had a break out, 6MOTY level season and the Cavs let him walk, and he ended up signing elsewhere for under $10m per year.
Malik Beasley won the actual 6 MOTY award on a crazy shooting season and Detroit were only going to offer him 3/42 before this gambling stuff. That is despite most of their rotation being unable to shoot 3's.
Coby probably needs to make the all star team to have a shot at getting real big money.
Almost all those deals expire next year. There will be a ton of teams with cap next year. I keep saying, you cannot think what's happening this summer will happen next summer. Only one team had money this summer, and announced they weren't signing free agents. Next summer will be way different.
A score first guard (Jalen Green) was just the best player piece sent in a trade for Durant. He's arguably on Coby's level.
Ty Jerome signed for a 1 year deal, because he expects to get paid much more next year in a much better free agency.
Jrue Holiday is an infinitely better player than Simons and clearly they're looking for a vet to lead the young guys. They bought out Ayton, money is not a concern for them right now. Wasn't Jrue on the All Defense team last year? Plus they have Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson.
I would think Coby is valued much higher than Malik Beasley. Last season was the first since 2020 Beasley has averaged over 13 pts. He got 16 last year. And he's 29.
I disagree with the Jalen Green take you have. The main asset in that offer was the #10 pick. Dillion Brooks as a known starting level 3&D wing (who fits with Booker and is in his prime on a good contract) was also a more important component in that trade than Green. Green was the worst asset in the trade, but I understand there are some who still think highly of his potential. Getting a lottery pick and a known, prime age starting level 3&D wing that fits with Booker is the meat of that return. Green was in their because Phoenix couldn't leverage Houston in to giving up any other players/salaries. They didn't want another expensive shooting guard with Booker, Beal and Greyson Allen on big money. Coby is better than Green who I think is a negative value contract.
One thing Green and Giddey have in common is random bursts of looking like a star. But when Green doesn't look like a star he has been a sharply negative player who scores inefficiently and does nothing else. Giddey at least keeps rebounding and creating.
Ty Jerome signed a 3 year $28 million deal with no player options for the Grizzlies. Not sure where you saw 1 year.
Jrue Holiday didn't only not make all defense last year. He didn't get a single vote for first or second team. His stats went down across the board (pts, rebounds, assists, and efficiency) and he wasn't able to bring back that impact in the playoffs this past post season. People widely questioned Portland making that decision, but then the Sexton deal happened. People are starting to come around that these guys actually just aren't valuable.
I should be clear. I don't think Coby will be getting peanuts next off season. He is a good player and should get paid accordingly. But I think a player of his type that is good but isn't getting all star nods is probably going to be about 4/100 - 4/120 or so.
Not trying to be combative, I just feel the wind is blowing this way given what we are seeing.
