Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach

[Jeff Van Gully]

That sucks

hoping the Knicks can offer so much $ that Pelicans will have to let him go to avoid bad look for the organization that could dissuade future coaches from going there

more than anything tho, I want fresh blood on the coaching staff. don't force Thibs' staff on Mike Brown b/c some of those guys are probably still loyal to Thibs and think he shouldn't have been fired. Rick, I understand, but don't love hearing they're expected to keep ~4 of the coaches (+ basically putting 100% of blame on Thibs)

I especially don't like that one of the coaches they're expected to keep is Darren Erman. That dude got fired from the Warriors because he was recording private conversations between coaches and players. that's messed up. dude literally would put his phone on record, leave a room and record subsequent conversations. Snake of the highest degree. if I'm Mike Brown, I don't want him on the staff; he was hired by Thibs, he can't be trusted to be loyal to Mike

Thibs has a mole on the staff, wow

yeah, erman is the type i wouldn't have around at all -- even if he were doing that shady **** to support me somehow. it ain't right.

[Iron Mantis]

The FO is very clear on what they want.

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So, the things we were saying. The minutes and lack of playing time for any young players.

Because of how strict the aprons are you absolutely cannot just mothball young players on cheap contracts.

honestly the fact that this is such a focus for the fo is a breath of fresh air, can’t remember the last time we really had development of our youth as a serious priority

I'm excited that the FO is moving in this direction of balancing contending without neglecting development.

And developing young players in a winning environment should be easier than doing so in a losing culture. Last coach fumbled perfect opportunities to get our youth valuable experience playing winning ball early on in their careers.

Didn't know all these details about Brown in that article. OCD with details. Great read. Looking forward to seeing what he can do.

[knickstape4ever]

hoping the Knicks can offer so much $ that Pelicans will have to let him go to avoid bad look for the organization that could dissuade future coaches from going there

more than anything tho, I want fresh blood on the coaching staff. don't force Thibs' staff on Mike Brown b/c some of those guys are probably still loyal to Thibs and think he shouldn't have been fired. Rick, I understand, but don't love hearing they're expected to keep ~4 of the coaches (+ basically putting 100% of blame on Thibs)

I especially don't like that one of the coaches they're expected to keep is Darren Erman. That dude got fired from the Warriors because he was recording private conversations between coaches and players. that's messed up. dude literally would put his phone on record, leave a room and record subsequent conversations. Snake of the highest degree. if I'm Mike Brown, I don't want him on the staff; he was hired by Thibs, he can't be trusted to be loyal to Mike

Thibs has a mole on the staff, wow

yeah, erman is the type i wouldn't have around at all -- even if he were doing that shady **** to support me somehow. it ain't right.

kinda surprised he still has a job in the NBA. you'd think that'd be a career killer

[thebuzzardman]

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A lot of blame gets put on WWW and that might be true. But I bet Aller was among the anti Thibs voices, pointing out that the current CBA really limits what teams can do $ wise and that really places an emphasis on player development as a way to shore up the bench but also creating cost effective chips that can be used in deals and that Thibs was mucking up the process.

Helps if they draft a little bit better in the first place but all drafts are uneven and there's a metric f*ck ton of agenda driven posts around drafting that cherry pick like mad.

[thebuzzardman]

So, the things we were saying. The minutes and lack of playing time for any young players.

Because of how strict the aprons are you absolutely cannot just mothball young players on cheap contracts.

honestly the fact that this is such a focus for the fo is a breath of fresh air, can’t remember the last time we really had development of our youth as a serious priority

We have to be serious about it now, the aprons makes everything different. I hope they bring in Phil Handy as well.

If Thibs kept the job next season would have been more of the same. We'd start not playing young guys somewhat, something happens and they get mothballed and starters play obscene minutes

Posted without seeing this, but turns out you covered what I said but in less words.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Thibs has a mole on the staff, wow

yeah, erman is the type i wouldn't have around at all -- even if he were doing that shady **** to support me somehow. it ain't right.

kinda surprised he still has a job in the NBA. you'd think that'd be a career killer

it should be. it probably fits his current work culture, which is concerning for me to think about.

[Adelheid]

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A lot of blame gets put on WWW and that might be true. But I bet Aller was among the anti Thibs voices, pointing out that the current CBA really limits what teams can do $ wise and that really places an emphasis on player development as a way to shore up the bench but also creating cost effective chips that can be used in deals and that Thibs was mucking up the process.

Helps if they draft a little bit better in the first place but all drafts are uneven and there's a metric f*ck ton of agenda driven posts around drafting that cherry pick like mad.

never opposed the new changes to the CBA...knicks are known to favor vets heavily all throughout the decades but because of the stiff penalties, they are forced to now rely also on player rookie development for cheap reinforcement, which is nice

[MrDollarBills]

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A lot of blame gets put on WWW and that might be true. But I bet Aller was among the anti Thibs voices, pointing out that the current CBA really limits what teams can do $ wise and that really places an emphasis on player development as a way to shore up the bench but also creating cost effective chips that can be used in deals and that Thibs was mucking up the process.

Helps if they draft a little bit better in the first place but all drafts are uneven and there's a metric f*ck ton of agenda driven posts around drafting that cherry pick like mad.

Yeah you absolutely have to develop guys now.

If we lose a game here and there in November and December giving young guys minutes to get them acclimated to their roles, so be it. We need as much depth as possible and I'm glad the front office is moving in this direction.

[8516knicks]

Don't know what to think of the Mike Brown hire. for those who LOVE it/him - what are the 3 things you EXPECT him to bring that we did not have the past 5 years??? (this is for his FANS/STANS -- so not "HOPE to bring" but "EXPECT to bring!"

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

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A lot of blame gets put on WWW and that might be true. But I bet Aller was among the anti Thibs voices, pointing out that the current CBA really limits what teams can do $ wise and that really places an emphasis on player development as a way to shore up the bench but also creating cost effective chips that can be used in deals and that Thibs was mucking up the process.

Helps if they draft a little bit better in the first place but all drafts are uneven and there's a metric f*ck ton of agenda driven posts around drafting that cherry pick like mad.

I mean, imagining you are correct it wouldn't be that Aller would have been unbiased - Thibs worked hard to **** up what he was doing - but he wouldn't have been unright too.

[Fat Kat]

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[ctorres]

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That's basically what he was making with the Sacramento Kings until the end of the 2026-27 season, maybe a little less

Vivek owes Dolan a favor now cause that's basically money that the Kings don't have to pay Mike Brown anymore!

[stuporman]

Since when did a franchise not owe a fired coach the money they are contractually obligated to pay them because that coach got another job? Are offset clauses standard now?

AI answer to this question:

When an NBA head coach is fired, whether they are owed the remaining money on their contract depends on the terms of the contract and any subsequent agreements. Most NBA coaching contracts are guaranteed, meaning the coach is entitled to the agreed-upon salary for the duration of the contract, even if they are fired. However, there are nuances:

1. **Guaranteed Contracts**: If the contract is fully guaranteed, the franchise must pay the coach the remaining salary unless a buyout or settlement is negotiated. This is standard in the NBA, where high-profile coaches often sign multi-year deals worth millions.

2. **Offset Clauses**: Some contracts include an offset clause, which reduces the amount the original team owes if the fired coach takes another job (e.g., another NBA head coaching role). For example, if a coach is owed $5 million and earns $3 million from a new job, the original team might only pay the difference ($2 million). Not all contracts have offset clauses, and the specifics vary.

3. **Buyouts or Settlements**: In many cases, the coach and team negotiate a buyout upon termination, where the coach agrees to a lump sum or reduced payment to settle the contract. This often eliminates future obligations, regardless of whether the coach gets another job.

4. **New Employment**: If there’s no offset clause and no buyout, the coach could theoretically receive their full guaranteed salary from the original team while earning a new salary from another NBA head coaching job. This scenario is less common due to offset clauses or buyouts being standard in high-profile cases.

Without specific contract details, it’s impossible to say definitively, but in general:
- If the contract is guaranteed with no offset clause, the coach is owed the money regardless of new employment.
- If an offset clause exists, the new job’s salary could reduce the original team’s obligation.
- Buyouts often resolve these issues upfront.

For precise answers, the specific contract’s terms (e.g., for a coach like Doc Rivers or Monty Williams) would need to be reviewed. If you’re referring to a particular case, I can search for relevant details or analyze any provided contract information.

[Gravy]

Don't know what to think of the Mike Brown hire. for those who LOVE it/him - what are the 3 things you EXPECT him to bring that we did not have the past 5 years??? (this is for his FANS/STANS -- so not "HOPE to bring" but "EXPECT to bring!"

Is there anyone who loved the hire? I think most posters wanted any unknown assistant

[ctorres]

Based on a small sample size with the Kings, I don't know if Mitch will fit with Mike Brown

Under Mike Brown, traditional bigs that couldn't stretch the floor got little to no minutes:

Richaun Holmes
Alex Len
Neemias Queta
Javale McGee

Stretch 4's or Bigs or that could shoot got sizeable roles or considerable minutes:

Trey Lyes
Chimezie Metu
Sasha Vezenkov

I predict that Brown is going to be inclined to play Yabusele at Center and go small off the bench, going as 5-out as possible

For how Mike Brown uses bigs, he may be content with Hukporti getting 7 to 9 mpg like the traditional bigs he had on the Kings and not really have a need for Mitch

Hopefully if we have to trade Mitch, we do it before we derail his trade value. Mitch's value is probably at it's highest right now

[Jeff Van Gully]

don't think this has been posted yet, but the athletic morning buzz is always a fun listen when they get the beat reporters on.

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[G_K_F]

Based on a small sample size with the Kings, I don't know if Mitch will fit with Mike Brown

Under Mike Brown, traditional bigs that couldn't stretch the floor got little to no minutes:

Richaun Holmes
Alex Len
Neemias Queta
Javale McGee

Stretch 4's or Bigs or that could shoot got sizeable roles or considerable minutes:

Trey Lyes
Chimezie Metu
Sasha Vezenkov

I predict that Brown is going to be inclined to play Yabusele at Center and go small off the bench, going as 5-out as possible

For how Mike Brown uses bigs, he may be content with Hukporti getting 7 to 9 mpg like the traditional bigs he had on the Kings and not really have a need for Mitch

Hopefully if we have to trade Mitch, we do it before we derail his trade value. Mitch's value is probably at it's highest right now

Robinson will hopefully be traded at the deadline - especially if he’s likely injured again.

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[SelbyCobra]

Don't know what to think of the Mike Brown hire. for those who LOVE it/him - what are the 3 things you EXPECT him to bring that we did not have the past 5 years??? (this is for his FANS/STANS -- so not "HOPE to bring" but "EXPECT to bring!"

Is there anyone who loved the hire? I think most posters wanted any unknown assistant

I definitely appreciate the hire. I viewed Thibs as a lost cause anchor on whatever high end potential this team has, and hiring ANY coach who was more adaptive/creative/proactive in their coaching style would be an automatic boost to the chances (note, not saying guarantees) of fully realizing this team's true upside.

I also live in SAC, and Brown was not a problem when he was here for the diehards I know - they almost exlusively blame 1) De'Aaron Fox's attitude (they don't hate him, most love him as a player and a King, they just feel like he didn't want to be here in the end, and that was the root of the tumult), and 2) Sabonis' play style - they love him and the awesome positives he brings, but at the same time know he's poor defensively and that Joker is probably the only center you can run an entire team/offense through and still hope to legitimately challenge for a title.

Brown being a seemingly highly adaptive personality as a head coach is an enormous breath of fresh air to me, and something I'm really excited and eager to see put into action next season with the Knicks. An intelligent guy who's in touch with the modern NBA, seen first hand what it takes to be a champion, is willing to make changes and hold people to account based on observations and input, and still commands respect in league circles is exactly what I wanted in place of an untenable Thibs situation. I didn't know Brown to be that guy heading into this search, but he seems to check a lot of those boxes, and Leon believes in him, so I'm excited.

[Fat Kat]

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