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PushDaRock wrote:The Duke wrote:Just another head scratching decision to not pull the trigger. This roster needs long term upside, and we missed out on the potential of that.
Pick #9 and #23 very well finish within 7% rating in 2-3 years
Pels pick might be 40-80% higher rating then #9
If they had a Top 5 grade on CMB, trade makes a lot less sense.
The Duke wrote:PushDaRock wrote:The Duke wrote:Just another head scratching decision to not pull the trigger. This roster needs long term upside, and we missed out on the potential of that.
Pick #9 and #23 very well finish within 7% rating in 2-3 years
Pels pick might be 40-80% higher rating then #9
If they had a Top 5 grade on CMB, trade makes a lot less sense.
And what if they had 9-10th grade on CMB, which is a lot more likely…
The Duke wrote:PushDaRock wrote:The Duke wrote:Just another head scratching decision to not pull the trigger. This roster needs long term upside, and we missed out on the potential of that.
Pick #9 and #23 very well finish within 7% rating in 2-3 years
Pels pick might be 40-80% higher rating then #9
If they had a Top 5 grade on CMB, trade makes a lot less sense.
And what if they had 9-10th grade on CMB, which is a lot more likely…
PushDaRock wrote:The Duke wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
If they had a Top 5 grade on CMB, trade makes a lot less sense.
And what if they had 9-10th grade on CMB, which is a lot more likely…
They said they had him higher than 9
WhatsaTDot wrote:PushDaRock wrote:The Duke wrote:
And what if they had 9-10th grade on CMB, which is a lot more likely…
They said they had him higher than 9
Well they would no reason to be anything other than 100% transparent.
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Pointgod wrote:theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:There's a report on Raptors Reddit that we turned down future first offfers for the 31st pick that we used on Mogbo last year.
Link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/s/vdxTDvTzBl
Take this with a grain of salt but per Shams, the first pick of the second round is "currently being auctioned off to the highest bidder" and, per Matt Lloyd, "last year Toronto got great offers for the 31st overall pick, including some future 1st rounders."
Keep in mind that the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round doesn't count against the cap due to the new second round exception under the much maligned new CBA so while a team may not get that 4th year for a rookie scale contract, they do get some notable cap flexibility compared to, say, pick no. 26-30 in the 1st round.
Interesting article on the disastrous Pelicans Front Office:
From that moment on, text after text rolled in from league execs, agents, and friends. The friends were simply conducting a wellness check. The execs and agents? They were less friendly.
”That is the worst draft trade I have seen in over a decade,” one Eastern Conference executive lamented.
“They should all be fired next year when that becomes a top 5 pick,” relayed another.
One after another— it was a ruthless bombardment. ”Are they not aware of how good that pick is gonna be?” This line of questioning from one high level executive left me searching for answers across the next few days. Here is what I was able to dig up.
The League Does Not Respect Pelicans’ Decision Makers:
The league wide skepticism on the Pelicans started when Joe Dumars was named the head of basketball operations and only grew when Troy Weaver was brought into the fold. When the Pelicans traveled up to Chicago for the NBA Draft Combine a month prior, the league had already placed a target on their back.
”Man they were killing them up there,” one agent told me, referring to rival front offices. “They think they (the Pelicans) got F—in idiots in charge. It got so bad, I just felt sorry.” Teams were already jockeying for the privilege to conduct the first trade with the Pelicans as more than one executive jokingly expressed to me that the Pelicans are going to be their first call.
It was the Indiana Pacers that ended up gaining the privilege of being first. When the Pelicans traded the lightly protected 2026 pick from the Pacers for the rights to pick 23 in this draft, rival executives raised their eyebrows. What was the rush to conduct this move while the Pacers were still in the finals? Just hours after Shams broke the trade, the Pacers announced Haliburton has been diagnosed with a calf strain. The optics pointed to a team that had been duped.
Haliburton would go on to tear his Achilles tendon just a few days later, lending credibility to criticisms being levied by rival teams regarding the Pelicans’ decision making. The trade should have been executed after the finals. There was no reason the same deal would not have been on the table. The miscalculation was not a grave one, but it was one big enough to reinforce the priors for other teams— the Pelicans are a mark and do not understand risk.
Sure enough, the league’s collective belief on the Pelicans’ lack of risk assessment would be proven true. The Pelicans would trade the unprotected 2026 draft pick which was the better of their own and Milwaukee to move up 10 spots in the draft— to draft a player Troy Weaver was fixated on in Derik Queen. In totality, the Pelicans traded away three shots at top 10 pick for the 13th overall pick. All three shots featured a team with a starting point guard who had suffered a torn Achilles.
One league executive would tell me their internal models valued the traded pick as having the second highest probability for becoming number one overall next season. Suffice to say— the league was stunned, and so was Atlanta.
The Hawks could not believe their good fortune. While the Pelicans would spend the next 24 hours facing enormous backlash for their reckless decision making, Hawks executives weren’t shy about sharing the details behind deal’s lopsided structure with rival teams.
One Eastern executive with knowledge of how the conversation went from Atlanta’s perspective described a perplexing scene. When Senior Vice President Troy Weaver made the call to Atlanta’s Bryson Graham, Graham couldn’t believe what was actually being offered. Graham asked for clarification multiple times to confirm the unprotected pick was indeed part of the deal. It got to the point where Hawks General Manager, Onsi Saleh, called Joe Dumars directly to confirm for himself. The Hawks waited nervously for Dumars to confirm, hoping he would not realize what was going on and walk the trade back. But the Pelicans persisted and the Hawks got their steal.
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Gold Dragon wrote:If CMB was gone, then yes. But CMB was there so, no.
Los_29 wrote:Yes I would’ve taken a shot at it. I like CMB but the Pelicans stink (some on this forum loved their young core two years ago
It would’ve also made us worse so we could be looking at two cracks in the lottery.
But why do people think Rogers would’ve signed off on this deal?
Dalek wrote:Easily would have done that deal. Maybe you don't get CMB but they could of got Asa Newell or Danny Wolf plus have a high pick the following year. They have to really believe in CMB, but what are they expecting him to be? A 20/10/5 starter, or a OG 3 and D type? I am not seeing the unlimited upside of CMB given his offensive limitations.
AbC? wrote:
Interesting article on the disastrous Pelicans Front Office:
From that moment on, text after text rolled in from league execs, agents, and friends. The friends were simply conducting a wellness check. The execs and agents? They were less friendly.
”That is the worst draft trade I have seen in over a decade,” one Eastern Conference executive lamented.
“They should all be fired next year when that becomes a top 5 pick,” relayed another.
One after another— it was a ruthless bombardment. ”Are they not aware of how good that pick is gonna be?” This line of questioning from one high level executive left me searching for answers across the next few days. Here is what I was able to dig up.
The League Does Not Respect Pelicans’ Decision Makers:
The league wide skepticism on the Pelicans started when Joe Dumars was named the head of basketball operations and only grew when Troy Weaver was brought into the fold. When the Pelicans traveled up to Chicago for the NBA Draft Combine a month prior, the league had already placed a target on their back.
”Man they were killing them up there,” one agent told me, referring to rival front offices. “They think they (the Pelicans) got F—in idiots in charge. It got so bad, I just felt sorry.” Teams were already jockeying for the privilege to conduct the first trade with the Pelicans as more than one executive jokingly expressed to me that the Pelicans are going to be their first call.
It was the Indiana Pacers that ended up gaining the privilege of being first. When the Pelicans traded the lightly protected 2026 pick from the Pacers for the rights to pick 23 in this draft, rival executives raised their eyebrows. What was the rush to conduct this move while the Pacers were still in the finals? Just hours after Shams broke the trade, the Pacers announced Haliburton has been diagnosed with a calf strain. The optics pointed to a team that had been duped.
Haliburton would go on to tear his Achilles tendon just a few days later, lending credibility to criticisms being levied by rival teams regarding the Pelicans’ decision making. The trade should have been executed after the finals. There was no reason the same deal would not have been on the table. The miscalculation was not a grave one, but it was one big enough to reinforce the priors for other teams— the Pelicans are a mark and do not understand risk.
Sure enough, the league’s collective belief on the Pelicans’ lack of risk assessment would be proven true. The Pelicans would trade the unprotected 2026 draft pick which was the better of their own and Milwaukee to move up 10 spots in the draft— to draft a player Troy Weaver was fixated on in Derik Queen. In totality, the Pelicans traded away three shots at top 10 pick for the 13th overall pick. All three shots featured a team with a starting point guard who had suffered a torn Achilles.
One league executive would tell me their internal models valued the traded pick as having the second highest probability for becoming number one overall next season. Suffice to say— the league was stunned, and so was Atlanta.
The Hawks could not believe their good fortune. While the Pelicans would spend the next 24 hours facing enormous backlash for their reckless decision making, Hawks executives weren’t shy about sharing the details behind deal’s lopsided structure with rival teams.
One Eastern executive with knowledge of how the conversation went from Atlanta’s perspective described a perplexing scene. When Senior Vice President Troy Weaver made the call to Atlanta’s Bryson Graham, Graham couldn’t believe what was actually being offered. Graham asked for clarification multiple times to confirm the unprotected pick was indeed part of the deal. It got to the point where Hawks General Manager, Onsi Saleh, called Joe Dumars directly to confirm for himself. The Hawks waited nervously for Dumars to confirm, hoping he would not realize what was going on and walk the trade back. But the Pelicans persisted and the Hawks got their steal.
Source: https://intheno.substack.com/p/queens-gambit-inside-the-pelicans
Raptors were gifted a golden opportunity to exploit the morons that are Dumars and Weaver and declined. A final act of incompetence by Masai before being fired. Good riddance.
Yallbecrazy wrote:Los_29 wrote:Yes I would’ve taken a shot at it. I like CMB but the Pelicans stink (some on this forum loved their young core two years ago
It would’ve also made us worse so we could be looking at two cracks in the lottery.
But why do people think Rogers would’ve signed off on this deal?
I don't think ownership is required to sign off on draft pick trades? If they are it has to be a formality as if they didn't sign they could never make a draft day trade again unless the owner sells the team.
Clutch0z24 wrote:Front office was pretty dumb to not take the trade if offered....One of the Bucks/Pels will have a bad year and we would get the best pick....
Also Asa Newell was there to be picked at 23.....If Asa Newell has a good season it will be even worse for us....CMB has to be pretty damn good for us not take that deal.
