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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#101 » by basketballRob » Sat Jul 5, 2025 10:49 am

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Knightro wrote:Summer League games start tomorrow. The last two weeks of NBA adjacent basketball for 3 months.


We still have FiBA. Lol thank God we have a lot of Euros to tide us over.
I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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RookieStar wrote:
Knightro wrote:Summer League games start tomorrow. The last two weeks of NBA adjacent basketball for 3 months.


We still have FiBA. Lol thank God we have a lot of Euros to tide us over.
I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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Yeah me too... let TDS play

Incidentally.. how much rest do these guys need? Its been 2 months since they last played right? Then after FiBa they have another 2 months before training camp?
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#103 » by drsd » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:19 am

RookieStar wrote:Yeah me too... let TDS play


These 9 are certain as rotational players.
Suggs/Jones
Banes/Black
F-Wagner
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/Bitadze

If Orlando goes with a 10-man rotation and does not pick up a decent wing at Mr 14, da Silva will be in that rotation as the 10th best player.
Certainly da SIlva can guard at the SF slot. He just needs to improve his shooting playing on the wing next to Black.
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#104 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:32 am

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RookieStar wrote:
Knightro wrote:Summer League games start tomorrow. The last two weeks of NBA adjacent basketball for 3 months.


We still have FiBA. Lol thank God we have a lot of Euros to tide us over.
I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#105 » by RookieStar » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:03 pm

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RookieStar wrote:Yeah me too... let TDS play


These 9 are certain as rotational players.
Suggs/Jones
Banes/Black
F-Wagner
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/Bitadze

If Orlando goes with a 10-man rotation and does not pick up a decent wing at Mr 14, da Silva will be in that rotation as the 10th best player.
Certainly da SIlva can guard at the SF slot. He just needs to improve his shooting playing on the wing next to Black.


Personally, i think its gonna be TDS/Goga depending on the game, to be the 10th man. They probably will make JI the F/C and TDS see if he gained the strength to hold his own down low. He alreadh shown us he hasrhe 3pt shot.
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#106 » by Skybox » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:04 pm

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basketballRob wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
We still have FiBA. Lol thank God we have a lot of Euros to tide us over.
I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


I agree about Silver's targeting of Eurobasket...I would add that the extended playoffs is incredibly intense play for way too many games. There's no good reason for 7-game series from the first round on...obviously, there's a lot of money to be made with added sellouts and TV time, but that's a LOT of games at that level of intensity vs other playoff-caliber teams. I also miss the potential for upsets with the shorter initial series...it's why the NCAA tourney is the most thrilling thing to follow. "Win or go home" is way too extreme for the NBA, where an 82 game war SHOULD guarantee you serious seeding and home court advantage, but winning 4 is excessive in the first round (maybe even second).
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#107 » by RookieStar » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:10 pm

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basketballRob wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
We still have FiBA. Lol thank God we have a lot of Euros to tide us over.
I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


TBF.. its the long regular season that enables guys like Franz to be paid 30-50m/season playing 6-8months of the year. I dont think players will agree to lose 10-20% of their salary to play 10 games less.
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#108 » by RookieStar » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:18 pm

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AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


I agree about Silver's targeting of Eurobasket...I would add that the extended playoffs is incredibly intense play for way too many games. There's no good reason for 7-game series from the first round on...obviously, there's a lot of money to be made with added sellouts and TV time, but that's a LOT of games at that level of intensity vs other playoff-caliber teams. I also miss the potential for upsets with the shorter initial series...it's why the NCAA tourney is the most thrilling thing to follow. "Win or go home" is way too extreme for the NBA, where an 82 game war SHOULD guarantee you serious seeding and home court advantage, but winning 4 is excessive in the first round (maybe even second).


Yeah... but no. A 7 game series shows who the better team is. I mean NCAA shows a 16seed who just happens to get hot for 3 games beat #1 seeds who had bad days when they met. As exciting as it is fpr casuals, i kinda feel for the #1 team who probably had 3 senior starters , hustled and sacrificed, just to et bounced because ot was one of those days that the rim seemed to be nailed shot even on layups
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#109 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:20 pm

RookieStar wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I hope Franz doesn't play. Silver said in an interview during the draft that players should rest in the offseason and blamed more injuries on players never taking a rest. Franz looked exhausted at the beginning of the last few seasons. Moe played during last summer and tore his ACL early in the season.

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That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


TBF.. its the long regular season that enables guys like Franz to be paid 30-50m/season playing 6-8months of the year. I dont think players will agree to lose 10-20% of their salary to play 10 games less.


You don’t have to sacrifice the lowering of salaries. The league partners and big broadcasters wouldn’t see a viewership drop-off. The RSNs are already in trouble because cable subscribers keep dropping.
The league needs to take over local broadcasts. Blackouts are holding the league back. And/or local broadcasts need to be truly free again.

The product gets better with 10-16 fewer regular season games.
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Re: Official 2025 Orlando Magic Summer League Thread - Team Announced 

Post#110 » by Skybox » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:29 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Skybox wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


I agree about Silver's targeting of Eurobasket...I would add that the extended playoffs is incredibly intense play for way too many games. There's no good reason for 7-game series from the first round on...obviously, there's a lot of money to be made with added sellouts and TV time, but that's a LOT of games at that level of intensity vs other playoff-caliber teams. I also miss the potential for upsets with the shorter initial series...it's why the NCAA tourney is the most thrilling thing to follow. "Win or go home" is way too extreme for the NBA, where an 82 game war SHOULD guarantee you serious seeding and home court advantage, but winning 4 is excessive in the first round (maybe even second).


Yeah... but no. A 7 game series shows who the better team is. I mean NCAA shows a 16seed who just happens to get hot for 3 games beat #1 seeds who had bad days when they met. As exciting as it is fpr casuals, i kinda feel for the #1 team who probably had 3 senior starters , hustled and sacrificed, just to et bounced because ot was one of those days that the rim seemed to be nailed shot even on layups


Any non-casual can understand that a best of 5 series is nothing like "win or go home".

The whole idea of playoffs is excitement for fans to pay for - lengthening it to make sure "the best teams wins" is basically just working harder to eliminate upsets (although the reason is obviously revenue) ...a 5 game series is a nice balance of a "better team" maybe being outcoached, showing up overly confident, or otherwise running into a bad matchup. Might as well just give the regular season champ the trophy if that's the goal. If the bigger picture is cutting somewhere to avoid injuries, cutting playoff games makes more sense (from a physical sense) because the intensity is WAY up and there's no resting of players or deeper rotations for most playoff teams - Haliburton heroically put himself in harm's way with a lingering injury for the most glaring example - heroic decision by a star, tragic blow to IND's entire next season and possibly beyond.
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Post#111 » by pepe1991 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:33 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Skybox wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


I agree about Silver's targeting of Eurobasket...I would add that the extended playoffs is incredibly intense play for way too many games. There's no good reason for 7-game series from the first round on...obviously, there's a lot of money to be made with added sellouts and TV time, but that's a LOT of games at that level of intensity vs other playoff-caliber teams. I also miss the potential for upsets with the shorter initial series...it's why the NCAA tourney is the most thrilling thing to follow. "Win or go home" is way too extreme for the NBA, where an 82 game war SHOULD guarantee you serious seeding and home court advantage, but winning 4 is excessive in the first round (maybe even second).


Yeah... but no. A 7 game series shows who the better team is. I mean NCAA shows a 16seed who just happens to get hot for 3 games beat #1 seeds who had bad days when they met. As exciting as it is fpr casuals, i kinda feel for the #1 team who probably had 3 senior starters , hustled and sacrificed, just to et bounced because ot was one of those days that the rim seemed to be nailed shot even on layups


There is big drama over nothing about summer tournaments. NBA is one that causes all the injuries. They just refuse to accept reality because it would make such a financial disaster for a league if so many games aren't played ( case and point, all the crying during COVID and how screwed nba is when they don't play million games a year).

Eurobasket , for team that goes to finals, is 360 min of basketball total ( assuming no OTs played).
So average player, at most, collects around 250 min of actual basketball over span of 18 days.

In nba, over span of two weeks , average nba starter plays 7 and collects 231 min.

Regular season simply doesn't fit modern era. There is no need for 82 games. There is no fanbase nor fan interest for it.
Attention span of modern audience is several min. Games last near 3 hours and are played three times a week, sometimes four. And even teams treat back to back games as schedule losses.

Problem with such a long season isn't that it's just LONG, problem is that it's pointless. 67% of teams entering playin or playoffs. It's laughable rate to consider just making play in or playoff success. It's such a dumb system. Like, if you are cycling competitor, and averge race has 90 racers, you can't proclaim 61 of them as "winners" just to arrange new race :lol:

Soccer has way more success ( so does NFL ) because their regular season is meaningful. Soccer does not have playoffs, that means every regular season game counts the same. Zero points, one point or three points.
NFL has only what, 17 regular season games? That makes every game playoff game before playoffs even happen.

NBA just has burning desire to play as many meaningless games as possible so now teams even play CUP. Again, i have no freaking clue who won cup this year, nor last year. Why should i care? What winner gains from it? Throphy? Parade? Place in history? That crap will be cut out in moment Silver steps down.


And once playoffs FINALLY start, after 82 games where effort of players is like 15% higher than it is during practice, you finally get playoffs. By that point 80% of players are already washed up, tired, have several nagging injuries and now you ask them to play x10 times harder, games turn into way more physical sport, and running goes up.

Just some nuggat from tracking.

Aaron Nesmith & Aaron Gordon running in regular season vs playoffs

Playoffs- distance ran per game - Aaron Gordon 13728.7 feet, 2,60 miles , Aaron Nesmith - 11971.0 feet, 2,27 miles
Regular - distance ran per game - AG -10697.8 feet , 2,03 miles, Aaron Nesmith - 10558.4, 2,04 miles.

Because they simply play way more and have to run more because basketball gets serious.


Basically NBA has two options: pay players less to play less games or keep system going. Every year/ every new CBA, players are greedy and decide money over health.

I expect massive decline in popularity and viewership in 2-3 years after Lebron, Durant, Curry retire. Maybe that forces changes.
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Post#112 » by basketballRob » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:50 pm

If players got paid based on how many minutes they played in the NBA, they wouldn't risk playing in summer tournaments.

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Post#113 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:56 pm

basketballRob wrote:If players got paid based on how many minutes they played in the NBA, they wouldn't risk playing in summer tournaments.

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Post#115 » by basketballRob » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:00 pm

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basketballRob wrote:If players got paid based on how many minutes they played in the NBA, they wouldn't risk playing in summer tournaments.

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And, nobody would want to join any team to be a backup.
I was just making the point that players don't prioritize the NBA when they don't need to.

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Post#116 » by AdamTheGreek » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Skybox wrote:
I agree about Silver's targeting of Eurobasket...I would add that the extended playoffs is incredibly intense play for way too many games. There's no good reason for 7-game series from the first round on...obviously, there's a lot of money to be made with added sellouts and TV time, but that's a LOT of games at that level of intensity vs other playoff-caliber teams. I also miss the potential for upsets with the shorter initial series...it's why the NCAA tourney is the most thrilling thing to follow. "Win or go home" is way too extreme for the NBA, where an 82 game war SHOULD guarantee you serious seeding and home court advantage, but winning 4 is excessive in the first round (maybe even second).


Yeah... but no. A 7 game series shows who the better team is. I mean NCAA shows a 16seed who just happens to get hot for 3 games beat #1 seeds who had bad days when they met. As exciting as it is fpr casuals, i kinda feel for the #1 team who probably had 3 senior starters , hustled and sacrificed, just to et bounced because ot was one of those days that the rim seemed to be nailed shot even on layups


There is big drama over nothing about summer tournaments. NBA is one that causes all the injuries. They just refuse to accept reality because it would make such a financial disaster for a league if so many games aren't played ( case and point, all the crying during COVID and how screwed nba is when they don't play million games a year).

Eurobasket , for team that goes to finals, is 360 min of basketball total ( assuming no OTs played).
So average player, at most, collects around 250 min of actual basketball over span of 18 days.

In nba, over span of two weeks , average nba starter plays 7 and collects 231 min.

Regular season simply doesn't fit modern era. There is no need for 82 games. There is no fanbase nor fan interest for it.
Attention span of modern audience is several min. Games last near 3 hours and are played three times a week, sometimes four. And even teams treat back to back games as schedule losses.

Problem with such a long season isn't that it's just LONG, problem is that it's pointless. 67% of teams entering playin or playoffs. It's laughable rate to consider just making play in or playoff success. It's such a dumb system. Like, if you are cycling competitor, and averge race has 90 racers, you can't proclaim 61 of them as "winners" just to arrange new race :lol:

Soccer has way more success ( so does NFL ) because their regular season is meaningful. Soccer does not have playoffs, that means every regular season game counts the same. Zero points, one point or three points.
NFL has only what, 17 regular season games? That makes every game playoff game before playoffs even happen.

NBA just has burning desire to play as many meaningless games as possible so now teams even play CUP. Again, i have no freaking clue who won cup this year, nor last year. Why should i care? What winner gains from it? Throphy? Parade? Place in history? That crap will be cut out in moment Silver steps down.


And once playoffs FINALLY start, after 82 games where effort of players is like 15% higher than it is during practice, you finally get playoffs. By that point 80% of players are already washed up, tired, have several nagging injuries and now you ask them to play x10 times harder, games turn into way more physical sport, and running goes up.

Just some nuggat from tracking.

Aaron Nesmith & Aaron Gordon running in regular season vs playoffs

Playoffs- distance ran per game - Aaron Gordon 13728.7 feet, 2,60 miles , Aaron Nesmith - 11971.0 feet, 2,27 miles
Regular - distance ran per game - AG -10697.8 feet , 2,03 miles, Aaron Nesmith - 10558.4, 2,04 miles.

Because they simply play way more and have to run more because basketball gets serious.


Basically NBA has two options: pay players less to play less games or keep system going. Every year/ every new CBA, players are greedy and decide money over health.

I expect massive decline in popularity and viewership in 2-3 years after Lebron, Durant, Curry retire. Maybe that forces changes.


I agree with most of everything here except the cup.

By dropping the regular season down to 66-72 games, the Cup can become a separate entity entirely (as it should be) and it covers the loss of games gap.
That way certain teams can rest older guys and lean more on youth in the early stages. And once you get later on in the cup, then everyone plays with hardware and money coming into focus.

Also, the popularity of the league may get bolstered again. Hopefully, NBC and Amazon this season can put the focus on younger stars in a way that TNT and especially ESPN have not.
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That was a cowardly interview from Silver.
There’s 2 main problems to why injuries are up.
1. AAU is a big problem for American players.
2. Players are taking bigger and longer steps as part of their offensive arsenal than in any prior NBA era, and the human body still can’t handle that.
Mo is a perfect example. He took a big step, slipped on a wet spot, and there went his ACL.
From a product perspective, the regular season is too long. Silver refuses to admit it and thus won’t fix that.

Franz already said he’s playing at EuroBasket. We’ll see for certain when Germany releases their training camp roster. I would assume Tristan is on there, but either way I don’t expect him to play more than 2 Summer League games. He doesn’t need Summer League, he’s too good. Just needs to strengthen his body like all rookies do.

How much rest is needed?

We haven’t played since the end of April.
EuroBasket training camps open up mid-late July. EuroBasket is final week of August and ends second week of September. There’s 2-3 weeks to rest for NBA training camps.

Again, there’s no better way to improve yourself than FIBA ball.
I expect to see Goga shooting more 3s with Georgia.
There is no FIBA tournament next year (2026). That’s when guys can rest.
It’s probably killing Mo that he’s missing out on another EuroBasket.


TBF.. its the long regular season that enables guys like Franz to be paid 30-50m/season playing 6-8months of the year. I dont think players will agree to lose 10-20% of their salary to play 10 games less.


You don’t have to sacrifice the lowering of salaries. The league partners and big broadcasters wouldn’t see a viewership drop-off. The RSNs are already in trouble because cable subscribers keep dropping.
The league needs to take over local broadcasts. Blackouts are holding the league back. And/or local broadcasts need to be truly free again.

The product gets better with 10-16 fewer regular season games.


Game gets better sure. But really?You think advertisement/sponsors/etc will stay pay the same amount for lesser games?

Im the owner of RookieStar Tire Change and Supply, I pay/sponsor Magic games for 100k a season for 4 30sec ad every game for 82 regular season games. You think Ill still pay 100k for 65 games? Im gonna demand to pay only 70k. Business is business.

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