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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#701 » by Onus » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:43 am

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ChuckDurn wrote:Okay, I need somebody who understands the logistics of this better than me, because I see something really weird happening. Maybe I’m having a brain cramp on how things work, but something seems either really “off” about how this is all transpiring, or there’s a massively obvious signal being sent.

The mechanics of a sign-and-trade with an RFA under team X’s control are typically “the RFA finds a deal they would agree to with team Y, and then team Y negotiates with team X on a deal such that team X doesn’t match the offer.”

But the starting point is that the RFA has chosen a team to sign a contract with.

What we’re hearing here is that multiple teams are in-play and potentially making offers to the Warriors. And if that’s the case, does it basically mean that Kuminga is happy to sign with any of them? Even if the contract offers are different?

It seems to me that this is either (a) reporters / podcasters / media committing malpractice in how they’re depicting what’s happening (granted, they might be getting fed really bad information from agents or teams); (b) an indication that Kuminga is talking with all the reported teams and the offers must seem relatively the same; or (c) signaling that Kuminga just wants to get away from the Warriors so badly that he’ll take just about any reasonable offer, even if the offers aren’t close to equivalent.

Am I missing something here?

My guess is that the warriors offered something like 20 per year. Jk’s agent is looking for more and trying to find a team willing to pay more in the 25+ range. The problem is that we can still make 25 work so we want actual compensation. Jk doesn’t care where he’s playing as long as he gets featured and gets paid. So we’re in limbo until a team satisfies both jk and our wants.


I don't think it's just about his next (2nd) contract, he has to think about his 3rd contract and the rest of his career. If he doesn't get the money and role he wants, he's going to try to make his 2nd contract as short as possible so he can move on freely to a team that will give him the role to prove his worth. At this point I think it's safe to say if Kuminga resigns with GS on a short contract, he will be playing for HIS future, not for the team's current goals of trying to win a championship.

Short as possible is a 2+1 po. I’ve always said the most likely outcome is that jk resigns on a 2+1. Unless he finds a team that is willing to pay him significantly more than what we want to which obviously hasn’t materialized.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#702 » by whocurrz » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:02 am

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Onus wrote:My guess is that the warriors offered something like 20 per year. Jk’s agent is looking for more and trying to find a team willing to pay more in the 25+ range. The problem is that we can still make 25 work so we want actual compensation. Jk doesn’t care where he’s playing as long as he gets featured and gets paid. So we’re in limbo until a team satisfies both jk and our wants.


I don't think it's just about his next (2nd) contract, he has to think about his 3rd contract and the rest of his career. If he doesn't get the money and role he wants, he's going to try to make his 2nd contract as short as possible so he can move on freely to a team that will give him the role to prove his worth. At this point I think it's safe to say if Kuminga resigns with GS on a short contract, he will be playing for HIS future, not for the team's current goals of trying to win a championship.

Short as possible is a 2+1 po. I’ve always said the most likely outcome is that jk resigns on a 2+1. Unless he finds a team that is willing to pay him significantly more than what we want to which obviously hasn’t materialized.


I think this is best case scenario obviously. Then just try to feature him early in the season as a promise so that we can spare Jimmy and Dray minutes and increase his trade value. Worst comes to worst if his minutes really destroy our record we still have salary ballast for a trade. We should really use him and his contract early to eat minutes and eventually fulfill needs in December/ January. For once let’s try to inflate our assets.

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#703 » by AirP. » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:48 pm

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I don't think it's just about his next (2nd) contract, he has to think about his 3rd contract and the rest of his career. If he doesn't get the money and role he wants, he's going to try to make his 2nd contract as short as possible so he can move on freely to a team that will give him the role to prove his worth. At this point I think it's safe to say if Kuminga resigns with GS on a short contract, he will be playing for HIS future, not for the team's current goals of trying to win a championship.

Short as possible is a 2+1 po. I’ve always said the most likely outcome is that jk resigns on a 2+1. Unless he finds a team that is willing to pay him significantly more than what we want to which obviously hasn’t materialized.


I think this is best case scenario obviously. Then just try to feature him early in the season as a promise so that we can spare Jimmy and Dray minutes and increase his trade value. Worst comes to worst if his minutes really destroy our record we still have salary ballast for a trade. We should really use him and his contract early to eat minutes and eventually fulfill needs in December/ January. For once let’s try to inflate our assets.

Just need Kerr to focus on his back and take a sabbatical for a few months


Bringing Kuminga back would be a disaster in the locker room, he's going to try to put up numbers more than do what the team needs to win and with that, Curry, Butler and Draymond will have issues with him since their window is limited and hopefully other players on the roster will end up having issues with Kuminga playing for himself, also... and if this happens his value will drop because teams will know GS needs to get rid of him before he ruins the season.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#704 » by jg77 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:39 pm

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whocurrz wrote:
Onus wrote:Short as possible is a 2+1 po. I’ve always said the most likely outcome is that jk resigns on a 2+1. Unless he finds a team that is willing to pay him significantly more than what we want to which obviously hasn’t materialized.


I think this is best case scenario obviously. Then just try to feature him early in the season as a promise so that we can spare Jimmy and Dray minutes and increase his trade value. Worst comes to worst if his minutes really destroy our record we still have salary ballast for a trade. We should really use him and his contract early to eat minutes and eventually fulfill needs in December/ January. For once let’s try to inflate our assets.

Just need Kerr to focus on his back and take a sabbatical for a few months


Bringing Kuminga back would be a disaster in the locker room, he's going to try to put up numbers more than do what the team needs to win and with that, Curry, Butler and Draymond will have issues with him since their window is limited and hopefully other players on the roster will end up having issues with Kuminga playing for himself, also... and if this happens his value will drop because teams will know GS needs to get rid of him before he ruins the season.


This whole situation is a mess. The Warriors are expecting a decent return from a guy they gave DNPs in the playoffs.

And I totally understand why Kuminga would rather be anywhere but here.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#705 » by Onus » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:07 pm

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Onus wrote:Short as possible is a 2+1 po. I’ve always said the most likely outcome is that jk resigns on a 2+1. Unless he finds a team that is willing to pay him significantly more than what we want to which obviously hasn’t materialized.


I think this is best case scenario obviously. Then just try to feature him early in the season as a promise so that we can spare Jimmy and Dray minutes and increase his trade value. Worst comes to worst if his minutes really destroy our record we still have salary ballast for a trade. We should really use him and his contract early to eat minutes and eventually fulfill needs in December/ January. For once let’s try to inflate our assets.

Just need Kerr to focus on his back and take a sabbatical for a few months


Bringing Kuminga back would be a disaster in the locker room, he's going to try to put up numbers more than do what the team needs to win and with that, Curry, Butler and Draymond will have issues with him since their window is limited and hopefully other players on the roster will end up having issues with Kuminga playing for himself, also... and if this happens his value will drop because teams will know GS needs to get rid of him before he ruins the season.

He’s done that the entire time he’s been here. We’ve tried to play around it for 4 years. Year 5 isn’t going to be different.
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Post#706 » by donkeylips » Sat Jul 5, 2025 6:24 pm

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Post#707 » by ChuckDurn » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:22 pm

I’m wondering if the Warriors and Kings might end up doing a bigger version of a deal.

Starts with a basis of Carter + Ellis for Kuminga (salaries probably don’t work, but hang on a moment; it also way over-balances our roster with too many guards, and not enough wings. Conversely, now Sacramento is short on guards.)

Adds Murray + Podziemski to the deal. Balances both rosters, and with Murray’s larger salary, probably addresses the salary issue created by the first half of the trade.

So the total deal is Kuminga + Podziemski for Murray, Ellis, and Carter.

Which team (if either) needs to add draft equity? (Note: I’m assuming this deal could be made with a salary for Kuminga in the “generally accepted range” of $20k/year, but need a CBA expert to tell me if this deal would be legal, or what salary would be needed to make it legal.)

And finally, would you do the deal “straight-up” like this?

I think I would.

I’d like a guard rotation of Curry / Ellis / Hield / Carter / Richard. I have to believe Carter is a little better than his stats showed last year, as he was recovering from injury. Really good mix of offense and defense.

Wings are Butler / Murray / Moody / Santos / Toohey.

I’m assuming the Warriors will end up with Horford, so bigs would be Draymond / Horford / Post / TJD.

The only “non-shooters” in the main rotation (top 10 players) would be Draymond, Butler, and Carter (who may improve). Good defenders throughout. The guys who would be 11-14 in the rotation are meh…… but they’re all young development projects.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#708 » by cpower » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:26 pm

Wizard got Whitmore for nothing, serious what are we doing right now?
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#709 » by wco81 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:30 pm

Giddey is demanding $30 million a year or more.

Murray would as well in a year or two.
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Post#710 » by vvoland » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:43 pm

cpower wrote:Wizard got Whitmore for nothing, serious what are we doing right now?


That's great work by wash
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Post#711 » by AirP. » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:43 pm

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AirP. wrote:
whocurrz wrote:
I think this is best case scenario obviously. Then just try to feature him early in the season as a promise so that we can spare Jimmy and Dray minutes and increase his trade value. Worst comes to worst if his minutes really destroy our record we still have salary ballast for a trade. We should really use him and his contract early to eat minutes and eventually fulfill needs in December/ January. For once let’s try to inflate our assets.

Just need Kerr to focus on his back and take a sabbatical for a few months


Bringing Kuminga back would be a disaster in the locker room, he's going to try to put up numbers more than do what the team needs to win and with that, Curry, Butler and Draymond will have issues with him since their window is limited and hopefully other players on the roster will end up having issues with Kuminga playing for himself, also... and if this happens his value will drop because teams will know GS needs to get rid of him before he ruins the season.


This whole situation is a mess. The Warriors are expecting a decent return from a guy they gave DNPs in the playoffs.

And I totally understand why Kuminga would rather be anywhere but here.


Of course he wants to leave, the role he's being asked to play is something he seems to refuse to play and the coach (unlike most coaches) has enough faith from the FO/Ownership they won't just move him because a talented player doesn't want to play his role. Had Kuminga played the role asked of him, he would have had way more opertunities to showcase his talent to the league.

I expect Kuminga to put up some good scoring stats on his next team but I'm not so sure having him as one of your top 3 salaries will lead to winning.
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Post#712 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:44 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:So the total deal is Kuminga + Podziemski for Murray, Ellis, and Carter.



Financially the deal is legal, assuming Kuminga signs for up to about $23M. It does hard-cap both teams at the 1st Apron, so they would have to live with that.

Edit: Make that about $20M
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Post#713 » by EvanZ » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:44 pm

cpower wrote:Wizard got Whitmore for nothing, serious what are we doing right now?


Another JK landing spot gone. Two seconds from the Wizards is pretty valuable and Whitmore hasn’t done crap.
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Post#714 » by AirP. » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:52 pm

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cpower wrote:Wizard got Whitmore for nothing, serious what are we doing right now?


Another JK landing spot gone. Two seconds from the Wizards is pretty valuable and Whitmore hasn’t done crap.

Witmore is on a lower 1st round rookie contract for 2 more seasons (3.5 mil, 5.5 mil) vs Kuminga telling the world he wants 30+ million starting this season.

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Post#715 » by statsman » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:57 pm

The Warriors are not giving up Kuminga without "winning" a S&T, which I suspect has been directed by Lacob. I am resigned to Kuminga returning.

I'll laugh my ass off if he plays for the QO. A full season of media disruptions, even more selfish play by Kuminga, the inability to trade him, and yet another wasted year of Curry's career due to the 2nd timeline draftees. Then, losing him for nothing in the next offseason.

It will either be that, or Lacob will overpay to keep Kuminga.
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Post#716 » by marthafokker » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:28 pm

donkeylips wrote:Just give me monk, saric and carter


You obviously don't know how NBA trades and salary cap work.
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Post#717 » by Upperclass » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:35 pm

Warriors right now have a chance to get the guy they shouldve drafted in the 2020 draft.. because once he's dealt elsewhere thats it..

They should really be looking at trading Kuminga, Moody, Podz for LaMelo and possibly a pick if they can swing it. They would then have a starting point and a top 5 talent at his position, despite maturity issues. Charlotte seems to be bringing an excess of guards to prep for a trade in-season.. Warriors should try to be proactive in inquiring him before his value goes back up exponentially
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Post#718 » by statsman » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:11 am

Upperclass wrote:Warriors right now have a chance to get the guy they shouldve drafted in the 2020 draft.. because once he's dealt elsewhere thats it..

They should really be looking at trading Kuminga, Moody, Podz for LaMelo and possibly a pick if they can swing it. They would then have a starting point and a top 5 talent at his position, despite maturity issues. Charlotte seems to be bringing an excess of guards to prep for a trade in-season.. Warriors should try to be proactive in inquiring him before his value goes back up exponentially

Worst f*#($*&&cking idea ever! LaMelo can't stay healthy. Even worse than Lauri Markkanen.
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Post#719 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:50 am

Kuminga with a 3 pt shot just went to the wizards for 2 seconds.

Welcome back to the bay saric. Kings are the last team standing.

This kuminga situation is holding the front office staff hostage, can't do anything right now. Lacob and mjd really messed this up, no winners in this situation.
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Post#720 » by statsman » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:57 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Kuminga with a 3 pt shot just went to the wizards for 2 seconds.

Welcome back to the bay saric. Kings are the last team standing.

This kuminga situation is holding the front office staff hostage, can't do anything right now. Lacob and mjd really messed this up, no winners in this situation.

I'd rather let Kuminga be rescinded than take that garbage from the Kings. This assumes the Warriors can acquire five decent players with the NTMLE split two ways (ex. $7M + $7M, $6M + $8M, etc.), the Bi-Annual ($5.135M), and two vet minimums.

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