Rumor - kings, Pistons, warriors

[bpcox05]

Kings local reporters saying the talks have slowed.

IMO it’s Horford that’s the hold up. GS wants to see how that plays out.

From the Sac Bee:

The news sparked rumors that the sign-and-trade deal for Schroder could be linked to Sacramento’s pursuit of Kuminga. The Kings continue to monitor Kuminga’s situation, but a league source told The Sacramento Bee the Schroder deal is unrelated to any talks involving Kuminga and rumors of a three-team trade involving the Kings, Detroit Pistons and Golden State Warriors are “totally false.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html

This whole trade idea may in fact just be a rumor. Not that the Kings might not have interest, but the particular players and 3 team aspect. At this point it's a "who knows" to me.

Things didn't make sense from the beginning, because the combined salary of Saric and Carter is only 10 mils, and Kuminga's first year's salary probably will be close to 20 mils. Val is already traded, and they won't include Murray, so Kings don't have extra salary to match, and I don't believe they have a cap space to absorb Kuminga's contract. Warriors likely won't want to fill two roster slots with unplayable 10 mils trade fillers either, and this trade + filling out the rest of the roster probably would put Warriors over the first apron. I don't think Warriors are going over to the first apron for Carter/Saric, and they would rather let Kuminga go for free.

It’s my understanding that 50% of the salary from Kuminga’s 1st year of his new contract is what is used for salary matching purposes (not the total amount he is being paid in that first year).

So for example…if he is making $20 mil in the first year of his deal, $10 mil would actually be the number referenced in terms of salary matching trade restrictions which is why a Saric/Carter package would actually be legal salary wise.

[Lenneth]

From the Sac Bee:



https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html

This whole trade idea may in fact just be a rumor. Not that the Kings might not have interest, but the particular players and 3 team aspect. At this point it's a "who knows" to me.

Things didn't make sense from the beginning, because the combined salary of Saric and Carter is only 10 mils, and Kuminga's first year's salary probably will be close to 20 mils. Val is already traded, and they won't include Murray, so Kings don't have extra salary to match, and I don't believe they have a cap space to absorb Kuminga's contract. Warriors likely won't want to fill two roster slots with unplayable 10 mils trade fillers either, and this trade + filling out the rest of the roster probably would put Warriors over the first apron. I don't think Warriors are going over to the first apron for Carter/Saric, and they would rather let Kuminga go for free.

It’s my understanding that 50% of the salary from Kuminga’s 1st year of his new contract is what is used for salary matching purposes (not the total amount he is being paid in that first year).

So for example…if he is making $20 mil in the first year of his deal, $10 mil would actually be the number referenced in terms of salary matching trade restrictions which is why a Saric/Carter package would actually be legal salary wise.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that Warriors will get $10 mils salary with BYC rule, but Kings will need to have a room for Kuminga's full first year's salary, which is expected to be around 20 mils for this first year. I don't believe Kings have any caproom and the deal is above 125% trade rule for the team below the first apron. If so, I don't know if this deal can be legal. Kings could trade some contracts to a team with caproom, but I don't think Kings really have tradable contracts around 7-10 mils.

[Nate the Great]

Things didn't make sense from the beginning, because the combined salary of Saric and Carter is only 10 mils, and Kuminga's first year's salary probably will be close to 20 mils. Val is already traded, and they won't include Murray, so Kings don't have extra salary to match, and I don't believe they have a cap space to absorb Kuminga's contract. Warriors likely won't want to fill two roster slots with unplayable 10 mils trade fillers either, and this trade + filling out the rest of the roster probably would put Warriors over the first apron. I don't think Warriors are going over to the first apron for Carter/Saric, and they would rather let Kuminga go for free.

It’s my understanding that 50% of the salary from Kuminga’s 1st year of his new contract is what is used for salary matching purposes (not the total amount he is being paid in that first year).

So for example…if he is making $20 mil in the first year of his deal, $10 mil would actually be the number referenced in terms of salary matching trade restrictions which is why a Saric/Carter package would actually be legal salary wise.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that Warriors will get $10 mils salary with BYC rule, but Kings will need to have a room for Kuminga's full first year's salary, which is expected to be around 20 mils for this first year. I don't believe Kings have any caproom and the deal is above 125% trade rule for the team below the first apron. If so, I don't know if this deal can be legal.

The Kings would have to send salary to another team that was under the cap, but those are in short supply now.

I tend to think this was just made up by someone in the Kings front office. I haven’t heard anything about it from the Warriors side, and it doesn’t make much sense for the Warriors anyhow.

[bpcox05]

Things didn't make sense from the beginning, because the combined salary of Saric and Carter is only 10 mils, and Kuminga's first year's salary probably will be close to 20 mils. Val is already traded, and they won't include Murray, so Kings don't have extra salary to match, and I don't believe they have a cap space to absorb Kuminga's contract. Warriors likely won't want to fill two roster slots with unplayable 10 mils trade fillers either, and this trade + filling out the rest of the roster probably would put Warriors over the first apron. I don't think Warriors are going over to the first apron for Carter/Saric, and they would rather let Kuminga go for free.

It’s my understanding that 50% of the salary from Kuminga’s 1st year of his new contract is what is used for salary matching purposes (not the total amount he is being paid in that first year).

So for example…if he is making $20 mil in the first year of his deal, $10 mil would actually be the number referenced in terms of salary matching trade restrictions which is why a Saric/Carter package would actually be legal salary wise.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that Warriors will get $10 mils salary with BYC rule, but Kings will need to have a room for Kuminga's full first year's salary, which is expected to be around 20 mils for this first year. I don't believe Kings have any caproom and the deal is above 125% trade rule for the team below the first apron. If so, I don't know if this deal can be legal. Kings could trade some contracts to a team with caproom, but I don't think Kings really have tradable contracts around 7-10 mils.

The 50% is applied for the sake of the Warriors side of the trade for salary matching purposes. The Kings will be using 100% of his 1st year salary for salary matching purposes. Remember, this is not a signing by the Kings. It’s a trade, and the Kings can send out less money than what Kuminga signs for as long as it meets the salary matching trade restrictions.

Since this trade will be below $29 mil, that means the Kings can receive a player worth the salaries they are sending out plus an additional $8.25 mil. Saric and Carter make $10.35 mil together so they can land a player making $18.6 mil ($10.35 mil+ $8.25 mil).

Kuminga making $18.6 mil with 8% raises over 4 years amounts to a $83,814,224 contract (~$20.95 mil per year). That seems like it’s exactly in the range that is being discussed in these rumors.

If Kuminga wants more, technically the Lings could add Terrence Davis to the deal which would allow the Kings to bring back a 1st year salary of $21.15 mil. And with 8% raises over 4 years, that amounts to $95.29 mil (~$23.82 mil per year).

There’s nothing illegal about the trade being rumored from my understanding.

[Lenneth]

It’s my understanding that 50% of the salary from Kuminga’s 1st year of his new contract is what is used for salary matching purposes (not the total amount he is being paid in that first year).

So for example…if he is making $20 mil in the first year of his deal, $10 mil would actually be the number referenced in terms of salary matching trade restrictions which is why a Saric/Carter package would actually be legal salary wise.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that Warriors will get $10 mils salary with BYC rule, but Kings will need to have a room for Kuminga's full first year's salary, which is expected to be around 20 mils for this first year. I don't believe Kings have any caproom and the deal is above 125% trade rule for the team below the first apron. If so, I don't know if this deal can be legal.

The Kings would have to send salary to another team that was under the cap, but those are in short supply now.

I tend to think this was just made up by someone in the Kings front office. I haven’t heard anything about it from the Warriors side, and it doesn’t make much sense for the Warriors anyhow.

Yeah, I don't know which team has enough salary cap to make Kings deal happen, and assuming they don't trade Murray and Ellis, Davis and Jones' 4.5 mils might not be enough unless Kuminga signs less than expected. And, I don't see a reason for Warriors/a team with caproom to accept Kings' deadweight salaries without sweetners. Keeping Kuminga is always an option for Warriors, and the way things are going, it's more likely that Kuminga would sign a short term deal then get traded during the season or play the season.

[Lenneth]

It’s my understanding that 50% of the salary from Kuminga’s 1st year of his new contract is what is used for salary matching purposes (not the total amount he is being paid in that first year).

So for example…if he is making $20 mil in the first year of his deal, $10 mil would actually be the number referenced in terms of salary matching trade restrictions which is why a Saric/Carter package would actually be legal salary wise.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that Warriors will get $10 mils salary with BYC rule, but Kings will need to have a room for Kuminga's full first year's salary, which is expected to be around 20 mils for this first year. I don't believe Kings have any caproom and the deal is above 125% trade rule for the team below the first apron. If so, I don't know if this deal can be legal. Kings could trade some contracts to a team with caproom, but I don't think Kings really have tradable contracts around 7-10 mils.

The 50% is applied for the sake of the Warriors side of the trade for salary matching purposes. The Kings will be using 100% of his 1st year salary for salary matching purposes. Remember, this is not a signing by the Kings. It’s a trade, and the Kings can send out less money than what Kuminga signs for as long as it meets the salary matching trade restrictions.

Since this trade will be below $29 mil, that means the Kings can receive a player worth the salaries they are sending out plus an additional $8.25 mil. Saric and Carter make $10.35 mil together so they can land a player making $18.6 mil ($10.35 mil+ $8.25 mil).

Kuminga making $18.6 mil with 8% raises over 4 years amounts to a $83,814,224 contract (~$20.95 mil per year). That seems like it’s exactly in the range that is being discussed in these rumors.

If Kuminga wants more, technically the Lings could add Terrence Davis to the deal which would allow the Kings to bring back a 1st year salary of $21.15 mil. And with 8% raises over 4 years, that amounts to $95.29 mil (~$23.82 mil per year).

There’s nothing illegal about the trade being rumored from my understanding.

Thanks for the clarification. One question. What's 8.25 mils?

Edit: Nevermind. It would be the amount the below-apron teams can accept for a contract below 29 mils.