Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

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I wonder with rumors like this if we leaked interest in Kuminga solely as a favor to his agent - “teams are interested, better improve your offer to GS to make it happen”.

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Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft. - Confucius

[nate33]

I'm thinking there's a basis for a Kuminga trade if it's a 3-way involving Denver. In this scenario, I'm assuming Valanciunas is indeed going to Greece, leaving Denver with a hole at center.

If Denver is willing to absorb Kelly Olynyk into their MLE, the mechanics of the trade can work.

Washington trades: Corey Kispert ($14M) + Kelly Olynyk ($13.3M)
Washington receives: Jonathan Kuminga ($28M)

Golden State trades: Jonathan Kuminga (treated as $14M outgoing because of BYC issues)
Golden State receives: Corey Kispert ($14M)

Denver trades: MLE
Denver receives: Kelly Olynyk ($13.3M)

All that's left is to figure out the incentive. I'm thinking Denver doesn't really need any. Olynyk is a perfect replacement for JV and Denver will have the money since JV is effectively retiring so his cap hit comes off the books. If Denver wants, Washington can absorb a small contract as part of the trade. I just don't know if Denver is looking to dump someone like Picket or Tyson.

So how much extra (if any) does Washington need to send to Golden State? For starters, I think Washington needs to give back Golden State's top 20 protected 2030 pick that they currently own. After that, it's a game of poker. Washington won't want to give up any more, and Golden State is going to want more. I don't know who will blink first. It really depends if Golden State has a better offer on the table from some other team. I do think that getting Kispert and full control of their 2030 pick is better than keeping a disgruntled Kuminga on a qualifying offer. And that's the minimum threshold for this trade. Is it better for Golden State than doing nothing at all?

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Let me take back my too hasty negativity about acquiring Kuminga. If there is a sensible deal, he is a guy worth taking a chance on. Only 22 and obviously gifted. Bring him on!

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Let me take back my too hasty negativity about acquiring Kuminga. If there is a sensible deal, he is a guy worth taking a chance on. Only 22 and obviously gifted. Bring him on!

Ha! I convinced PIF over a plate of spaghetti. On the premise that we’ve done pretty well with reclamation projects. Some young, some vets. Bagley. Poole. Holmes. JV. Extracting better value than we gave in trade.

And that while we’re not expecting to win, why not add some pure talent that may have upside. If he sucks for a year okay, that’s part of the plan. At the least he could give us some highlight plays that catch attention and put butts in the seats.

But Maybe under a real developmental plan he can show improvement. This team has been pretty good at encouraging guys to play to their strengths, then expand from there. With minutes and reps he can grow in confidence. All BK is going to require is that he plays his ass off on defense. If so he can try out whatever he likes at the other end. Make it work.

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I'm thinking there's a basis for a Kuminga trade if it's a 3-way involving Denver. In this scenario, I'm assuming Valanciunas is indeed going to Greece, leaving Denver with a hole at center.

If Denver is willing to absorb Kelly Olynyk into their MLE, the mechanics of the trade can work.

Washington trades: Corey Kispert ($14M) + Kelly Olynyk ($13.3M)
Washington receives: Jonathan Kuminga ($28M)

Golden State trades: Jonathan Kuminga (treated as $14M outgoing because of BYC issues)
Golden State receives: Corey Kispert ($14M)

Denver trades: MLE
Denver receives: Kelly Olynyk ($13.3M)

All that's left is to figure out the incentive. I'm thinking Denver doesn't really need any. Olynyk is a perfect replacement for JV and Denver will have the money since JV is effectively retiring so his cap hit comes off the books. If Denver wants, Washington can absorb a small contract as part of the trade. I just don't know if Denver is looking to dump someone like Picket or Tyson.

So how much extra (if any) does Washington need to send to Golden State? For starters, I think Washington needs to give back Golden State's top 20 protected 2030 pick that they currently own. After that, it's a game of poker. Washington won't want to give up any more, and Golden State is going to want more. I don't know who will blink first. It really depends if Golden State has a better offer on the table from some other team. I do think that getting Kispert and full control of their 2030 pick is better than keeping a disgruntled Kuminga on a qualifying offer. And that's the minimum threshold for this trade. Is it better for Golden State than doing nothing at all?

I'm sure the Wiz would be happy to cough up a second round pick or three to put the deal over the top.

I'm warming up to the idea, tbh. Kuminga replaces Poole as the guy with inflated stats who we hope to flip for assets later.

As long as we can continue to dump the vets who might put us in real danger of climbing out of the bottom five teams. We only need one or two vet mentor types and can always re-sign Gill to the minimum if needed. Gotta get Middleton out of here - unless he's hurt, he's too good.

[nate33]

Man, it really is too bad we didn't land Sorber in the draft. It would have really addressed roster balance. If my Kuminga trade works out we could have had this lineup:

PG McCollum/Bub
SG Tre/AJ
SF Bilal/Champagnie
PF Kuminga/Kyshawn
C Sarr/Sorber

That's a really good, well-balanced roster after another year or two of seasoning!

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I'm thinking there's a basis for a Kuminga trade if it's a 3-way involving Denver. In this scenario, I'm assuming Valanciunas is indeed going to Greece, leaving Denver with a hole at center.

If Denver is willing to absorb Kelly Olynyk into their MLE, the mechanics of the trade can work.

Washington trades: Corey Kispert ($14M) + Kelly Olynyk ($13.3M)
Washington receives: Jonathan Kuminga ($28M)

Golden State trades: Jonathan Kuminga (treated as $14M outgoing because of BYC issues)
Golden State receives: Corey Kispert ($14M)

Denver trades: MLE
Denver receives: Kelly Olynyk ($13.3M)

All that's left is to figure out the incentive. I'm thinking Denver doesn't really need any. Olynyk is a perfect replacement for JV and Denver will have the money since JV is effectively retiring so his cap hit comes off the books. If Denver wants, Washington can absorb a small contract as part of the trade. I just don't know if Denver is looking to dump someone like Picket or Tyson.

So how much extra (if any) does Washington need to send to Golden State? For starters, I think Washington needs to give back Golden State's top 20 protected 2030 pick that they currently own. After that, it's a game of poker. Washington won't want to give up any more, and Golden State is going to want more. I don't know who will blink first. It really depends if Golden State has a better offer on the table from some other team. I do think that getting Kispert and full control of their 2030 pick is better than keeping a disgruntled Kuminga on a qualifying offer. And that's the minimum threshold for this trade. Is it better for Golden State than doing nothing at all?

I'm sure the Wiz would be happy to cough up a second round pick or three to put the deal over the top.

I'm warming up to the idea, tbh. Kuminga replaces Poole as the guy with inflated stats who we hope to flip for assets later.

As long as we can continue to dump the vets who might put us in real danger of climbing out of the bottom five teams. We only need one or two vet mentor types and can always re-sign Gill to the minimum if needed. Gotta get Middleton out of here - unless he's hurt, he's too good.

Right, in 2026 we have 4 2nd round picks in addition to the 2 1st round picks, one of which I believe is the worst of Minn, NY, Portland, Pelicans. In 2027 we also have another 4 2nd round picks, one of which is from Golden State.

I could see including those 2 2nd rounders in addition to giving back the 2030 top 20 protected 1st we got from Golden State and Kispert.


It really seems like a no-brainer, especially if its for Kispert who just doesn't fit on this team, but would on G.S., and his 14 Mil/yr the next 4 years. Swapping him out for Kuminga would only add 14-16 mil/yr on our cap over that span, and we're clearing 100/mil with Middleton, Smart, CJ, Olynyk, all coming off the books.


Bub / AJ
Tre / Champagnie / Dillon Jones
Bilal / Riley / Watkins
Kuminga / Kyshawn
Sarr / Tristan

2 1st round picks 2026

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[pcbothwel]

Let me take back my too hasty negativity about acquiring Kuminga. If there is a sensible deal, he is a guy worth taking a chance on. Only 22 and obviously gifted. Bring him on!

Ha! I convinced PIF over a plate of spaghetti. On the premise that we’ve done pretty well with reclamation projects. Some young, some vets. Bagley. Poole. Holmes. JV. Extracting better value than we gave in trade.

And that while we’re not expecting to win, why not add some pure talent that may have upside. If he sucks for a year okay, that’s part of the plan. At the least he could give us some highlight plays that catch attention and put butts in the seats.

But Maybe under a real developmental plan he can show improvement. This team has been pretty good at encouraging guys to play to their strengths, then expand from there. With minutes and reps he can grow in confidence. All BK is going to require is that he plays his ass off on defense. If so he can try out whatever he likes at the other end. Make it work.

I disagree with the premise.
- Bagley was a Negative asset. We were paid 2 2nds to take on his salary.
- Poole was also a negative asset, but we had to take him on to offload Beal.
- JV’s sub MLE contract with Nonguaranteed was not only considered a good deal, but he was the perfect fit for our young team as we needed a big man who could set pics for Bub and show Sarr the ropes.

Kuminga falls into neither category. We would be paying the market salary + asset(s) to get him, and then he’ll be a poor defending, non ball moving wing that will take minutes/shots away from KG, Riley, and champagnie.

I’m still in asset gathering mode, and Middleton, Smart, and Kispert are 3 guys we need to showcase as productive and healthy. We also need to maintain plenty of cap space to take on salary in trading them at the deadline, as well as outright absorbing a big salary in the offseason. Ie. MPJ + 1st to the Nets for Cam Johnson.

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Kuminga falls into neither category. We would be paying the market salary + asset(s) to get him, and then he’ll be a poor defending, non ball moving wing that will take minutes/shots away from KG, Riley, and champagnie.

I’m still in asset gathering mode, and Middleton, Smart, and Kispert are 3 guys we need to showcase as productive and healthy.

Depends on the assets we ship. And the cost of acquisition. We haven’t seen a deal and you’re already speculating we overpay. GSW is not likely to get full value on a player they clearly haven’t valued.

Yes we took on undervalued assets and were paid to do so. Then we rehabbed their value and were paid again in trade.

To ship a vet and land a young player with upside *is* asset gathering. It’s a bet on our development staff that we can invest in the kid and get him looking shiny.

AND it may be a problem if we have a core crew of skilled and useful short term vets messing with our tank record.

We still don’t have a franchise guy. Our best bet is to get him with high draft picks. Our best bet to do that is not to lose them to New York in a supposed historical draft.

Working Kuminga into the Poole/Kuzma minutes, while polishing his game seems less of a danger than fielding a healthy CJ McCollum surrounded by vets.

Obvsly depends on who we ship. And what we get in return. But sending veteran money for a young prospect whose value is suppressed is one proper use of those assets. The rest is just the terms of the deal. My read is Kuminga is not likely to spark a bidding war right now. GSW is dangling him. I’m not reading about many other takers. They have a dwindling window of Curry/Drays careers. We have useful vets. Show me a deal.

[nate33]

I disagree with the premise.
- Bagley was a Negative asset. We were paid 2 2nds to take on his salary.
- Poole was also a negative asset, but we had to take him on to offload Beal.
- JV’s sub MLE contract with Nonguaranteed was not only considered a good deal, but he was the perfect fit for our young team as we needed a big man who could set pics for Bub and show Sarr the ropes.

Kuminga falls into neither category. We would be paying the market salary + asset(s) to get him, and then he’ll be a poor defending, non ball moving wing that will take minutes/shots away from KG, Riley, and champagnie.

I’m still in asset gathering mode, and Middleton, Smart, and Kispert are 3 guys we need to showcase as productive and healthy. We also need to maintain plenty of cap space to take on salary in trading them at the deadline, as well as outright absorbing a big salary in the offseason. Ie. MPJ + 1st to the Nets for Cam Johnson.

Bagley was a distressed asset and they gave us 2 SRP's to take on his salary. A year later, we flipped him for Smart and a FRP. I'd say he was valued at roughly neutral in that transaction, meaning he improved his trade value by two SRP's during his stint here.

Poole was a negative asset and they gave us their fake 2030 FRP to take him off our hands for Chris Paul's contract. After two years, he was flipped for a better player with a shorter contract. I'd say his trade value improved from negative to slightly positive.

JV was a neutral asset when we signed him. We traded him for a SRP, meaning he added a SRP's worth of value during his stint here.

I think Doc's point holds. Washington is a good place to go if you are trying to increase your value. Their track record suggest that the acquisition of Kuminga would probably turn out well for both Washington and Kuminga.

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Let me take back my too hasty negativity about acquiring Kuminga. If there is a sensible deal, he is a guy worth taking a chance on. Only 22 and obviously gifted. Bring him on!

Ha! I convinced PIF over a plate of spaghetti....

True!

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nate's analysis is compelling, imo.

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nate -- could Brogdon fit into a Kuminga deal?

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We are the used car lot of NBA players. Bang the dents out, a little engine work, a lil love and care and it’s better than new. Let’s make a deal! Nevermind the lemon we sold to Phoenix. Bring us your trade in we’ll give you good value on it.

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LOL !!
Lets come up w/ some other reclamation projects!

Where's James Wiseman these days?

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The Athletic piece is now updated — and altered: “a Wizards source said the team has not expressed interest.”

Meaning — they haven’t? Or they don’t want to appear to be hunting?

[nate33]

nate -- could Brogdon fit into a Kuminga deal?

Yes. We could include him in a S&T. Essentially, he would replace Kispert's position in the transaction. It would be less advantageous for us because Kispert's salary would remain on our payroll and you don't want to pay your 5th best forward $13M. But it's doable. We have the luxtax room to sign Brodgon to a market-value contract to make the trade happen.

One hang-up is that in a S&T deal, you have to sign the guy to a 3-year contract (though they don't necessarily have to be guaranteed). I don't know how much Golden State is going to want Brogdon on a long term deal with his injury history.

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There was a report the Durant trade might include 7 teams. Nate, if you really want to impress us…