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The 2025 Wolves Off Season

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#521 » by winforlose » Fri Jul 4, 2025 5:01 pm

karch34 wrote:
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Calinks wrote:I think he would have last season if we didn't make that Knicks trade but I think he will for sure this year too. Our major players have had enough time together to gel fairly well, and we need to get the young guys going now.


This is not consistent with Finch’s history or comments. He has very narrow roles for young players, and is explicit that he doesn’t want them to try and do more than that role. Dilly being told go play-make but not shoot is a good example. He also is famous for half rotations and not rewarding good play. That is a great recipe for undermining player confidence, especially considering he is famous for benching players after a mistake or two. Oh, and he plays obvious favorites. After benching Minott and Dilly following their first mistake he allowed Garza to be eaten for lunch to end a half, and then came back with him in the second half instead of getting Miller into competitive minutes. He even shortened the minutes and took away the spots of Clark and Shannon when they were actually contributing. To expect Finch to suddenly change his entire approach is… optimistic at best.

Finch changed his mind on McDaniels pretty quick once he saw evidence. I think if player shows something he won’t ignore it.


True. But at that point we were not exactly contending. He has been pretty consistent with his approach since the Gobert trade.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#522 » by shrink » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:00 pm

I’m going to feel dirty saying this, but …

Free agent Ben Simmons?

He can playmake, and he can play smallball center as a perimeter defender, though he can’t protect the rim.

Worth the risk? I would think Joe Ingles could help?
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#523 » by thinktank » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:04 pm

Lord no.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#524 » by TimberKat » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:25 pm

shrink wrote:I’m going to feel dirty saying this, but …

Free agent Ben Simmons?

He can playmake, and he can play smallball center as a perimeter defender, though he can’t protect the rim.

Worth the risk? I would think Joe Ingles could help?

If his head is into basketball yes. I am even OK with him passing up a dunk to teammates. Gobert would love that. However, he can't stay on the court for 5 minutes without a nervous breakdown.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#525 » by shrink » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:33 pm

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shrink wrote:I’m going to feel dirty saying this, but …

Free agent Ben Simmons?

He can playmake, and he can play smallball center as a perimeter defender, though he can’t protect the rim.

Worth the risk? I would think Joe Ingles could help?

If his head is into basketball yes. I am even OK with him passing up a dunk to teammates. Gobert would love that. However, he can't stay on the court for 5 minutes without a nervous breakdown.

I would also worry about his inability and unwillingness to shoot. And if his attitude is the same, it could risk team cohesion.

But he could always defend, and he certainly has upside on a vet min, as a three time all star, two time all defense winner.

Apparently the Knicks have inquired about him, and Simmons’ people claim two other teams have expressed interest?
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#526 » by winforlose » Sat Jul 5, 2025 9:32 pm

shrink wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
shrink wrote:I’m going to feel dirty saying this, but …

Free agent Ben Simmons?

He can playmake, and he can play smallball center as a perimeter defender, though he can’t protect the rim.

Worth the risk? I would think Joe Ingles could help?

If his head is into basketball yes. I am even OK with him passing up a dunk to teammates. Gobert would love that. However, he can't stay on the court for 5 minutes without a nervous breakdown.

I would also worry about his inability and unwillingness to shoot. And if his attitude is the same, it could risk team cohesion.

But he could always defend, and he certainly has upside on a vet min, as a three time all star, two time all defense winner.

Apparently the Knicks have inquired about him, and Simmons’ people claim two other teams have expressed interest?


Are we talking Ben Simmons end of bench or Ben
Simmons 9th man?

End of bench I think Simmons is a fine choice. As mascots go at least he could potentially be useful.

9th man begs the question, whose minutes does he take? Assume Ant, Jaden, Randle, Naz, DDV, and Rudy are all guaranteed their minutes (probably about 30-33 each.) using the average 63/2 =31.5 minutes per player per game. So 48x5 =240 240-189 =51. We have 51 available minutes for Mike, Dilly, and TSJ to share, say we are determined to give Dilly and TSJ at least 17 minutes each. Well best case Mike gets 17. Worst case now he is sharing those with Simmons, and you might as well just have Simmons replace Mike, start Dilly, and play DDV as backup PG some of the time. This is all to say nothing of Joan eventually getting some run, or Clark.

I say give him the minimum to do the minimum or else wish him luck and leave him alone.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#527 » by shrink » Sat Jul 5, 2025 9:56 pm

With Simmons, I could see him playing some back up center, when Rudy is off the floor, and we don’t need rim defense. I believe Simmons is still an excellent perimeter defender and switchable, while Naz is bad at both rim and perimeter defense. I don’t see him officially as a PG, but I can see him adding team passing when your backcourt doesn’t have an actual PG, like Ant and Donte.

I don’t think you can play him with Gobert and have two guys that can’t shoot three pointers.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#528 » by Norseman79 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 10:19 pm

shrink wrote:With Simmons, I could see him playing some back up center, when Rudy is off the floor, and we don’t need rim defense. I believe Simmons is still an excellent perimeter defender and switchable, while Naz is bad at both rim and perimeter defense. I don’t see him officially as a PG, but I can see him adding team passing when your backcourt doesn’t have an actual PG, like Ant and Donte.

I don’t think you can play him with Gobert and have two guys that can’t shoot three pointers.


Aside concerns about his health and durability, I think you could have Simmons play point guard, but the rest of the lineup would need to shoot. I also think you could play him with Gobert, assuming that the other three players on the court can shoot. Running high screen and roll with Simmons and Gobert could be effective and put a lot of pressure on teams. I'm not saying I'd like it, I'm saying I'd hate it less than I thought I would depending on price.

PG - Simmons, Mike, Rob
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, Shannon, Ingles
PF - Randle, Reid, Miller
C. - Rudy, Joan, Rocco

If Simmons can give you 10 plus points per game, with the way he fills the rest of the stat sheet, that could work. Defensively, good luck.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#529 » by younggunsmn » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:57 pm

Keep in mind that anyone willing to sign here is going to have to be willing to accept a whole lot of DNP-CDs.

That's going to kinda limit our market for established players for a while.

Also you don't add a guy with Simmons rep to your culture.
Especially if you aren't sure you're even going to play him.
The tradeoff for what he brings is not worth it.

And Simmons and Gobert on the floor together would be the least efficient offensive team on the planet.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#530 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:50 am

Simmons was very good before. Elite defender, but too much issues to make him reliable. If we can get it at the minimum, it's a risk we could take. I'm really worry about C position. Except big surprise, Joan and Rocco will need 1 year or 2 before being able to contribute. NAZ is not a 5. If Rudy goes down, we are in big trouble. Getting Simmons will cover this part + his abilities to pass the ball.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#531 » by dschroeder01 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:14 pm

Looks like the Wolves joining the record 7 team trade has resulted in them losing one of the 2nd round picks they acquired. Seems like a good thing though?

The NAW S&T to the Hawks originally netted the Cavs 2027 2nd rounder.

The trade of 31 for 36 on draft night originally netted the Wolves the least favorable of the Nuggets’ and Warriors’ 2026 picks and the most favorable of the Suns’ and Rockets’ 2032 picks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1lrk330/rumored_7_team_trade_involving_kd_what_yall_think/

According to this (which I've seen a few other places as well), the Wolves now receive the Suns 2026 2nd instead of the least favorable of the Nuggets and Warriors in 2026 and the Cavs in 2027.

Getting the Suns 2nd next year likely means a pick in the 30s vs. a pick 45-60 next year and a pick in the 50s in 2027. Seems better this way. Quality over quantity.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#532 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:16 pm

Any recent updates on the status of Cole Anthony? I'd feel pretty good about adding him to our PG depth and competing for minutes.

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#533 » by wolves_89 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 4:53 pm

shrink wrote:I’m going to feel dirty saying this, but …

Free agent Ben Simmons?

He can playmake, and he can play smallball center as a perimeter defender, though he can’t protect the rim.

Worth the risk? I would think Joe Ingles could help?


I had the same thought. Simmons has the potential to fill a few holes on the current roster, mainly as a backup PG and a defensive forward with size. With Simmons the Wolves could run out some really interesting switch everything type of lineups. I'm also a little bit intrigued to see if Finch could help him figure out how to get his career back on track.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#534 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jul 6, 2025 5:57 pm

dschroeder01 wrote:Looks like the Wolves joining the record 7 team trade has resulted in them losing one of the 2nd round picks they acquired. Seems like a good thing though?

The NAW S&T to the Hawks originally netted the Cavs 2027 2nd rounder.

The trade of 31 for 36 on draft night originally netted the Wolves the least favorable of the Nuggets’ and Warriors’ 2026 picks and the most favorable of the Suns’ and Rockets’ 2032 picks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1lrk330/rumored_7_team_trade_involving_kd_what_yall_think/

According to this (which I've seen a few other places as well), the Wolves now receive the Suns 2026 2nd instead of the least favorable of the Nuggets and Warriors in 2026 and the Cavs in 2027.

Getting the Suns 2nd next year likely means a pick in the 30s vs. a pick 45-60 next year and a pick in the 50s in 2027. Seems better this way. Quality over quantity.


The title of that Reddit post sounds like a guy speculating on what the trade could be:

Rumored 7 team trade involving KD. What y’all think ~??

Whereas this appears to be the official trade (and it looks like it remains unchanged for us):

• Houston receives: Kevin Durant, Clint Capela
• Phoenix receives: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, rights to Khaman Maluach (No. 10 draft pick), Rasheer Fleming, Koby Brea, Daeqwon Plowden, one second-round pick
• Golden State receives: Alex Toohey, Jahmai Mashack
• Los Angeles Lakers receive: Adou Thiero
• Brooklyn receives: two second-round picks
• Atlanta receives: David Roddy, a second-round pick, cash
• Minnesota receives: Rocco Zikarsky, two second-round picks, cash

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/blockbuster-kevin-durant-trade-grows-into-historic-7-team-trade
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#535 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:13 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
dschroeder01 wrote:Looks like the Wolves joining the record 7 team trade has resulted in them losing one of the 2nd round picks they acquired. Seems like a good thing though?

The NAW S&T to the Hawks originally netted the Cavs 2027 2nd rounder.

The trade of 31 for 36 on draft night originally netted the Wolves the least favorable of the Nuggets’ and Warriors’ 2026 picks and the most favorable of the Suns’ and Rockets’ 2032 picks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1lrk330/rumored_7_team_trade_involving_kd_what_yall_think/

According to this (which I've seen a few other places as well), the Wolves now receive the Suns 2026 2nd instead of the least favorable of the Nuggets and Warriors in 2026 and the Cavs in 2027.

Getting the Suns 2nd next year likely means a pick in the 30s vs. a pick 45-60 next year and a pick in the 50s in 2027. Seems better this way. Quality over quantity.


The title of that Reddit post sounds like a guy speculating on what the trade could be:

Rumored 7 team trade involving KD. What y’all think ~??

Whereas this appears to be the official trade (and it looks like it remains unchanged for us):

• Houston receives: Kevin Durant, Clint Capela
• Phoenix receives: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, rights to Khaman Maluach (No. 10 draft pick), Rasheer Fleming, Koby Brea, Daeqwon Plowden, one second-round pick
• Golden State receives: Alex Toohey, Jahmai Mashack
• Los Angeles Lakers receive: Adou Thiero
• Brooklyn receives: two second-round picks
• Atlanta receives: David Roddy, a second-round pick, cash
• Minnesota receives: Rocco Zikarsky, two second-round picks, cash

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/blockbuster-kevin-durant-trade-grows-into-historic-7-team-trade

Yes, title is misleading. Suns traded the assets the got from KD for something else. It isn't like if Wolves backs out, then KD trade won't happen.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#536 » by shrink » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:50 pm

Via Hawks.com: "The Atlanta Hawks have acquired guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker from the Minnesota Timberwolves in a sign-and-trade transaction, in exchange for a 2027 second-round draft pick (Cleveland’s own) and cash considerations."

1. Its reported, so it’s official

2. It wasn’t part of the seven team trade.

3. Damn “cash considerations” again.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#537 » by shrink » Mon Jul 7, 2025 1:06 pm

I don’t know whether it’s more important to Chris Paul to stay out West near family, or finish his career as a starter, but if it’s the latter, the Timberwolves would be a good option. He could start over Mike Conley, mentor Rob Dillingham, and Lob City would unlock Rudy Gobert offensively. And the Wolves with their roster continuity and potential growth of Ant, Jaden and Naz remain a chance at a ring. There can’t be many contenders out there here he’d still get to start.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#538 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jul 7, 2025 3:57 pm

Clips get Beal and they are just as much contenders as we are.
I just dont see CP3 signing here and the fact that he hasn't signed yet points to him wanting more than the vet minimum.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#539 » by dschroeder01 » Mon Jul 7, 2025 7:01 pm

younggunsmn wrote:Clips get Beal and they are just as much contenders as we are.
I just dont see CP3 signing here and the fact that he hasn't signed yet points to him wanting more than the vet minimum.

It's been reported that Paul wants to be close to his family in LA with the LA teams and the Suns the likely landing spots. The Beal buyout situation is reportedly holding things up as he could land with the Clippers which would then make the Suns the more likely spot for Paul.

Even if Paul was willing to come to MN, I suspect that Connelly wouldn't make that kind of move with Conley here. Replacing Mike with an even older player seems like a bit of a slap in the face.

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